Talk:Pulitzer Prize for Music

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I removed the following, on the grounds that it gives undue weight -- in an article with only paragraph of actual text -- to one guy's opinion. Context, please, before polemics. --Calton | Talk 00:12, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In 1998 Kyle Gann wrote that after researching the top composition prizes in America, including the Pulitzer Prize for Music, he discovered that the award panels often included "the same seven names over and over as judges": Gunther Schuller, Joseph Schwantner, Jacob Druckman (now deceased), George Perle, John Harbison, Mario Davidovsky, and Bernard Rands. Gann concluded that since all of these composers are white men, and generally have same "narrow Eurocentric aesthetic" that the prize has been unfairly biased against Downtown music.


Again, I have removed the two paragraphs worth undue weight opinion -- having essentially one man's opinion take up two-thirds of the article text is unbalanced and ignores context. Provide the context, the background to the award, etc. or out it will continue to come. --Calton | Talk 23:53, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Why do you say "one man's opinion"? This is not one man's opinion. As it stands now, the article includes the opinions of *TWO* Pulitzer Prize winners, namely John Adams and John Corigliano, and I also added details about supposed rule changes (which so far seem not to have affected the resulting selections).

Ah, so you've padded it a bit, adding a blog reference (not a reliable source) and making it 3/4ths of the content instead of 2/3rds.

You're grinding an axe, and this isn't the place for it. --Calton | Talk 04:35, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]


I changed the blog to a news source. Added response to criticism from the PPAB. There is a long and well documented *controversy* regarding this prize and it certainly deserves mention. This is supposed to be an article about the "Pulitzer Prize for Music," and not simply a list of the winners. For that you can go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Pulitzer_Prize_for_Music_winners

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Objection[edit]

I don't believe 1976 is Scott Joplin's "centennial year." I suggest this be double-checked, and most likely removed. Marc W. Abel (talk) 02:42, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Evidently you are right. The official compilation of Special Awards and Citations lists
"1976 Scott Joplin: Bestowed posthumously in this Bicentennial Year, for his contributions to American music."
That's the USA anniversary whereas Joplin was born 1867, probably.
--P64 (talk) 21:02, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Recent scope[edit]

The History and Criticism sections probably need update. What has happened since 2007 and 2004 respectively, regarding the practice of granting Music Pulitzers to academic classical music and occasional Special Citations to some career contributions of other music?

The last line of History suggests that 2007 may have been the second exceptional Music Pulitzer after 1997. Thus two jazz compositions, not yet any musical or film score.

--P64 (talk) 20:44, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This helps, the official compilation of Special Awards and Citations.
All but two of the last 20 Special Citations in all fields, back to 1974, have been for career contributions. Except: 1977 Alex Haley Roots; 1992 Art Spiegelman Maus. The last three Special Citations are for music: John Coltrane 2007 and two singer-songwriters Bob Dylan 2008 and Hank Williams 2010 (deceased 1953).
--P64 (talk) 21:02, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
1. Evidently we have updated section 3, Winners --bullet list of Music Pulitzer winners and freeform list of "Additional citations" at its foot-- without maintaining sections 1-2, History and Criticism. Coltrane 2007, Dylan 2008, and Williams 2010 are among the Additional citations but the prose sections need update.
2. Twelve (12) musicians have won Pulitzer Prize Special Citations and Awards for arts and letters. Last week I provided coverage in their biographies, where lacking, and added them all to Category:Pulitzer Prize winners. The winners of special Pulitzers for arts and letters correspond to the 21 so-called Pages in category "Pulitzer Prize winners", not in its subcategories. See also Category talk:Pulitzer Prize winners#Biographies not in subcategories.
--P64 (talk) 01:24, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

1965?[edit]

In the list of Winners, the entry for 1965 says "no prize awarded (see Duke Ellington). In the article on Duke Ellington it states that he was not awarded a Pulitzer in 1965 (on one was, in that year), but that he was awarded a posthumous Pulitzer in 1999. It would seem, then, that the "see Duke Elington" note should appear next to the entry for 1999, and not 1965. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.249 (talk) 23:14, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Slant of this article[edit]

There is nothing positive about the prize in the piece as it stands, nor is there anything relevant to its initial institution in 1943; the piece starts with 1965 and the Duke Ellington matter. Is there any way we can get some true historical value and impartiality into this piece, rather than the axe-grinding we are seeing now?Pinikadia 12:28, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

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