Talk:Pope Pius IV

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No relation to Medici of Florence?[edit]

Quote from Encyclopædia Britannica: "Italian bourgeois family that ruled Florence and later Tuscany from c. 1430 to 1737. The family, noted for its often tyrannical rulers and its beneficent patrons of the arts, also provided the church with four popes (Leo X, Clement VII, Pius IV, and Leo XI)..."

This article however states that Pius IV was not related to Medicis: "Giovanni Angelo de Medici was born of humble parentage in Milan, unrelated with the Medicis of Florence"

Which one should I trust? :)

One should never trust the Britannica. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia], "The Medici of Milan lived in humble circumstances and the proud Florentine house of the same name claimed no kindred with them until Cardinal Medici was seated on the papal throne." Str1977 ^(talk) 18:26, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it was actually Pope Paul IV that suspended the Council of Trent, not Julias the III

Likewise, one should be suspicious about the Catholic Encyclopedia, which sometimes omits relevant and embarrassing material and slants material to reflect Church doctrine. The principle should be NOT to trust secondary sources, but to check.Vicedomino (talk) 03:49, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Coat of arms[edit]

Being of the Milan branch, Pius should not have used the coat of arms which shows the top ball in blue with gold fleur de lys, which was granted to the Florentine branch. He likely used the de' Medici arms with all red balls. The picture in the article is small, but appears to lack the fleur de lys. Does anyone have clearer sources for his arms? [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 13:46, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

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"The process, however, was a clear farce, and Pius V renegated its acts"

What does this mean? Can someone clarify and explain?

69.3.234.197 (talk) 16:01, 29 November 2007 (UTC)Daniel Baedeker[reply]

Last edited at 16:01, 29 November 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 03:15, 30 April 2016 (UTC)