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Middle Name

2012-11-28. The first of two notes is the entire content of the "assessment summary page" (subpage /comment), which I have imported prior to request for subpage deletion. -P64

I believe that the full name of Pauline Baynes was Pauline Diana Baynes, which appears on the title page of Farmer Giles of Ham. Agingjb (talk) 10:19, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

The British library catalog record that mention her (such as this one list her middle name as Diana. Obviously she didn't use this much if at all. But shouldn't it be mentioned at least briefly in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.42.208.186 (talk) 19:46, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Resolved
some time ago by including her middle name in the lead sentence. --P64 (talk) 19:40, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

She also did...

...the cover for the Penguin/Puffin paperback version of Watership Down, a design that was kept going for a quarter of a century. 86.146.232.34 (talk) 19:02, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

  • Brian Sibley's tribute (second edition) incorporates a nice selection of images inclg the Watership Down cover.
  • PaulineBaynes.com (below) displays many more images.
  • {{Authority control}} in the footer links to some library data. But a better point of entry to U.S. LCC data (until they revise or fix the other interface) is to search her name (search LCCOnline).
--P64 (talk) 19:40, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Date of Death

I believe she actually died on 1 August 2008. See The Times Obituary, The Telegraph , The Guardian, and The Independent. Johann1870 (talk) 04:33, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

"On 2 August 2008, she died at age 85."
I have deleted this from the article, where it was oddly paired with a shortcut to the Narnia portal --and out of place anyway, because the covers her career exclusively, after the lead paragraph and next sentence.
Some more material from those obituaries should be included. --P64 (talk) 01:02, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
(Google does call up 2 August 2008, in the right margin of my search on her name.) --P64 (talk) 19:40, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Narnia illustrations in colour?

I recall black-and-white interior illustrations --and think I recall b&w covers too.

Which illustrations did Baynes compose in colour? Did she later colour some original b&w? Or compose all with colour (hard to believe), reduced to b&w by the publisher?

The cover image in this article carries the caption "Pauline Baynes' classic paperback cover art for The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe". I can believe that it is classic cover art but [a] the depicted cover postdates the 2005 film; [b] it doesn't match either the original or a classic(?) hardcover illustration that I know.

We should provide more information about this, including a publisher and a date in the image caption. --P64 (talk) 01:24, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Interior illustration. [labeled one day later -P64] Baynes did return to her Narnia illustrations around 1990 and colour them. She also provided some new Narnia illustrations for Brian Sibley (The Land of Narnia: Brian Sibley Explores the World of C. S. Lewis (HarperCollins, 1998)[1]).
This does need coverage in the article (where i have mentioned the new ill's for Sibley). See Ext link Charlotte Cory.
See also Sibley's introduction or his blog. Or see a new edition of the Narnia series introduced by Sibley, if there was one. --P64 (talk) 20:29, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe cover shown was being used by Puffin at least as early as 1964. [2]. Here's also a pic of a 1972 copy, showing the full wraparound. [3]. This website and also this one say this was the cover used right from Puffin's paperback publication of the series in 1959, with minor colour revision in 1974. Jheald (talk) 01:14, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. Evidently we need to be careful to distinguish cover and interior illustrations. (Above I have now underscored and labeled for clarity.)
Cory (Ext link) does refer to interior illustrations for a centenary edition:
• "This November [1998] marks the centenary of Clive Staples Lewis's birth, an occasion that will be celebrated by various new editions of the Narnia chronicles ...
• "Almost half a century after she drew the original Narnia pictures, Pauline has worked on them again, tinting them with watercolour for a sumptuous full-colour commemorative edition. There cannot be many artists who have been asked to rework their own pictures after so long [for 1998 publication?]".[4]
Primarily we should get the facts straight at The Chronicles of Narnia#Publication history and/or a new section of that article. --P64 (talk) 16:20, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

PaulineBaynes.com

http://www.paulinebaynes.com/ "This is an interactive web site for family, friends and fans of Pauline Baynes, one of the greatest illustrators of our time. The site is curated by Peter Thorpe, an illustrator, who met Pauline in 1975 and corresponded with her for three decades."

--P64 (talk) 16:50, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Nice find. I've added it to the external links. De728631 (talk) 20:39, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Portrait of Pauline Baynes (infobox image)

According to our edit history the portrait we now display atop {infobox artist} is "by Luis Segovia (Llotja Student)". The contributor Dvdgmz has provided more information elsewhere.[5]. Evidently this is "illustration [from] wiki-ArS collaboration with Llotja School of art" (Escola de la Llotja). --P64 (talk) 19:40, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, the full attribution has already been made by the uploader at the file page at Wikimedia Commons. We don't need to give extra credit on Wikipedia when linking images from Commons. De728631 (talk) 20:37, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
You're right. I visited that file page and read what I recognized to be content but completely missed the "wikiArS" template. I wonder how many other templates I have "automatically" overlooked. --P64 (talk) 22:47, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Farnham

Added that she grew up in Farnham as the Museum of Farnham recently held an exhibition of her work and she is mentioned on the Farnham Wiki page. Also added a citation for the claim that it took her 2 years to finish Dictionary of Chivalry, from the paulinebaynes.com website. Supervegan (talk) 08:58, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

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Not Catalogue

Ah, the lists of all editions, printings, sub-printings, variants and minor adjustments: something, no doubt, that Hobbits would have loved, being simple, obvious, and frankly totally unnecessary, not to mention unencyclopedic. Wikipedia is Not a Catalogue. It's obviously fine to mention the bluelinked books, but this is not the place for all variants thereof, so I'll do a bit of trimming back to what I hope is the encyclopedic quantity. If you are a Catalog-Hobbit, I recommend WorldCat to you; and probably there are numerous Tolkien-forums, Narnia-chatrooms and other places where *exhaustive* micro-listings will be considered appropriate. Hope that's clear to everyone. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:04, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm reluctant to disagree with an editor who has contributed the enormous amount of good work to Wikipedia that has flooded from the keyboard of Chiswick Chap, but I'm not sure that he has quite understood why I listed the various different editions of books by C. S. Lewis and J. R. R. Tolkien that I did. It's true that these variants have identical texts, but they have different illustrations, and in an article about their illustrator, that must surely make each of them individually worthy of note. For example, the first edition of The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe was illustrated entirely in black and white, whereas in the 50th anniversary edition, all the original illustrations were redone in colour and seventeen new colour illustrations were added. Anyone more than casually interested in Baynes's art would undoubtedly want to see both. Niggle1892 (talk) 21:07, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Copyright

I am intrigued why the copyright of the Narnia illustrations is owned by the C S Lewis estate - did he employ her personally? I think this should be explained. 109.144.20.244 (talk) 08:13, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

If I've understood my sources correctly, Baynes sold the copyright in her original illustrations to Lewis's publishers, who then, it would seem, passed it on to him. I haven't seen any evidence that he ever employed her directly, although Lewis's biographers weren't especially interested in such financial minutiae. (Happily, Baynes did retain the copyright of some of her later Narnian artwork: for example, the lovely new drawings and paintings that she did for Brian Sibley's The Land of Narnia are registered as © Pauline Baynes on the book's title verso page.) It may perhaps be relevant that although Baynes and Lewis were probably equally unworldly when it came to money matters, Lewis had the advantage of a solicitor, Owen Barfield, who happened to be one of his three dearest friends. No doubt we'll know more when Christina Scull and Wayne Hammond eventually produce the book about Baynes which they promised in their blog many years ago. If it's anything like their awe-inspiring three-volume Tolkien guide, Baynes fans are in for a treat! Niggle1892 (talk) 09:16, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
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