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Consensus All-Americans[edit]

The Oregon media guide claims that LaMichael James was a consensus All-American in both 2010 and 2011, and I'm really not sure why. The NCAA decides these things, and LaMike only received consensus honors in 2010. See NCAA Award Winners, p. 16. I'm changing the total to 7, but we should discuss it if that is controversial.Binkyping (talk) 23:38, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't condsider this a controversial edit. The Oregon media guide is not known for 100% accuracy, as a comparison of annual revisions makes clear. I would not accept it alone as a definitive source for items that can be confirmed through independent sources. Per Wikipedia (2011_College_Football_All-America_Team#Running_back) Trent Richardson and Montee Ball were consensus AA in 2011. --Abdoozy (talk) 21:32, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Unclaimed national titles[edit]

I know these are sort of silly, but every other college football team's page lists both claimed and unclaimed national championships. (see e.g. Washington Huskies football or Florida State Seminoles football. Is there a reason to have them elsewhere but not here? I think they should be included nowhere, but I'd feel weird going around to every team's page and removing the section... Binkyping (talk) 21:04, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just because other schools have aggressive fans who edit their pages and insist on inclulding "awarded" titles doesn't mean this page should do the same. The University recognizes zero national titles. Considering how loosely sourced the two "titles" that have been claimed here are (only one reference, to CFBdatawarehouse.com, and thes titles are found nowhere else online -- and the FACT titles stopped being awarded in 2006 when its founder, David Rothman, died), I see zero credible sources, and no reason to start including them here. I have no interest in running around to other CFB pages to remove spurious titles, but that's no reason to include them here. No reasonable person considers these valid "claimed national titles" for Oregon. (Having attempted to correct the claimed title sections on the Washington Huskies page a few times, I can attest to the resilience of the claims; try removing them sometime.) Abdoozy (talk) 05:59, 22 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I wish there were some consistency across articles on this, but if wishes were horses I'd be eating wish meat every night for dinner. (And while CFB Data Warehouse is a generally reliable source, I can't find any other references to the '01 or '10 "titles" either).Binkyping (talk) 17:46, 22 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Conference History[edit]

UO was in the Northwest Intercollgiate Association (probably as its first conference). Where would this fit best? 216.240.175.179 (talk) 07:57, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Conference Records[edit]

I appreciate the effort that went into creation of the conference record section, but it has two problems: recentism, and the appearance of original research. Unless a source can be cited it should probably be removed. Abdoozy (talk) 23:43, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have updated the sources so that they are more specific to each reference, as for the claim of recentism, I frankly just don't see how that is the case. Athies22 (talk) 03:06, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Definition of a bowl game[edit]

Should the national championship game count as a bowl game in the new format? I'm open to arguments in either direction, but I lean towards it not being counted in bowl records. Athies22 (talk) 06:02, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fair question! Multiple post-season games are a new phenomenon. It appears the NCAA is including stats from the NCG in season totals, so that would appear to grant legitimacy to counting the NCG as a bowl game. --Abdoozy (talk) 21:35, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Phil Knight reference in lede[edit]

Proposing removal of the reference to Phil Knight in the lede (opening paragraph). References to donors or other significant individuals are appropriately made elsewhere in the body of an article. Since Knight was not a significant donor to the program for the first 100 years of its existence and the program would almost certainly continue to exist without Knight's financial support, a reference to a single donor in an existential summary seems inappropriate, superfluous and possibly inflammatory. (The Oklahoma State Football page's opening paragraph has no reference to T. Boone Pickens, their most significant donor.) --Abdoozy (talk) 21:48, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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* The article is well sourced and close to a "B" grade.

Could use more pre-Bellotti information.
The links to other teams need to be changed so that they link to the football page instead of the generic university team page.
Article has some non-encyclopedic prose.
1916 conference co-championship should be added to list of conference championships. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.244.219 (talk) 22:08, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I reaffirmed the C-class assessment for Wikiproject College football today. I think it's very close to attaining B-class, but not quite there. Specific areas for improvement (going beyond B-class) include the following:

The lead is pretty short for an article of this length.
Check links to other articles to make sure the most appropriate article is linked. For example, the section "Len Casanova and Jerry Frei eras" has a link to Ohio State University that could go to Ohio State Buckeyes football, or better yet, 1957 Ohio State Buckeyes football team (by the way, that sentence is also misleading, as it makes it appear that it was the 1955 Rose Bowl); likewise with links to the Rose Bowl (e.g. link 1958 Rose Bowl for the aforementioned game in which the Ducks lost to the Buckeyes).
Incomplete references. Online references should, at a minimum, include the URL, the page title, and the date the page was accessed, but the last of these is missing from many references here. Consider using a citation template. Checking this may lead you to dead links (citation #17 to [1] is one I came across) which you'll want to deal with (see WP:DEADLINK for suggestions).
I don't think it's appropriate to list the "current coaching staff" on an article about a 119-year-old team; it smacks of recentism.
The "Uniforms" section has some extraneous (and sometimes promotional) information about Nike. I think there's probably more that could be included in this section about how other teams have attempted to emulate Oregon.
Consider spinning off the "Chronology of Oregon head coaches" into List of Oregon Ducks head football coaches.
Consider writing some prose for the "School records" section. It's probably worthwhile to add a note for any school records that are also conference or NCAA records. I mentioned it before, but check the links in this section. Link to specific games and/or seasons where possible. Some of those players may have articles that can be linked also (e.g. Akili Smith).

I hope these suggestions help give some ideas for further improvement of this article. cmadler (talk) 20:25, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the assessment. A couple of followup comments:

Alabama Crimson Tide football is currently rated B-class and has a section for current coaching staff. I just updated the Oregon entry's section to a wikitable, with longevity information, to make it less "recentist" -- would you still recommend ditching this section entirely? IMO, adding detail on the staff longevity makes the section more relevant.
Do you have an example of a GA-to-B-class CFB team entry that you consider worthy of emulation for style?

Again, greatly appreciate your comments Abdoozy (talk) 07:16, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I see three GA CFB team articles (there are no FA or A-class team articles, so these are the highest-assessed of this type), none of which give current coaches. Those are Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets football, Maryland Terrapins football, and Washington & Jefferson Presidents football. Keep in mind that the current head coach is listed in the infobox at the top of the article, and the coaching staff for any given year is/should be/eventually will be available by scrolling to the navbox at the bottom and clicking over to the article for that year. The article for the current/most recent season is linked right at the top of the infobox, so readers can find the most recent coaching staff there. cmadler (talk) 11:26, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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