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Reviewer: J Milburn (talk · contribs) 10:36, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]


Great topic! Happy to offer a review. Josh Milburn (talk) 10:36, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

great/thx! Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:40, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks from me too Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:02, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "There are three other colonies along the Norwegian coast, all on low islands" I want to hear more! We have loads on the UK colonies (including a former UK colony), but only briefly mention the Norwegian ones.
just found a bunch of stuff on Norway - will digest and add (it supercedes Nelson material). Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:47, 18 June 2018 (UTC) added now Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:16, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In the case of the larger fish species northern gannets will only eat the young fish." Apparently unreferenced?
  • Removed, pointless saying that they can't eat fish that are too big for them Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:44, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cliff is linked on about the fifth mention.
  • "104.5 grams" This is not consistent with how you referred to weights earlier. It also seems very specific.
  • Added convert template. An average is what it is, I don't think that quoting to 0.1 g is excessively specific, it's pretty standard for low weights Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:26, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The average lifespan is 17 years" Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm assuming that this is the average lifespan if they survive their first four years?
  • The source has a standard format for all the species it covers, no indication that it is anything other than whole lifespan. A 30% survival over the first four years is actually very high (incidentally I've tweaked the text a bit since it was ambiguous as it stood) Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:39, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Perhaps the fencing picture should be shifted downward?
  • The first mention of regurgitation is in the discussion of the skuas. Presumably it should be mentioned earlier?
  • "Since levels of these toxic levels" metals?
  • What is "gannet oil"?
  • Is there any opposition to the continued collection of "gugas"?
  • I wonder whether the reference to "ten men" might more appropriately be "10 people"?
  • The source says "men", and i can't find any indication that it has ever involved women, so I think to suggest otherwise would be misleading. If the practice lacks diversity, I'm not sure we should suggest it's inclusive. What does Cas Liber think? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:46, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Given that (I suspect) the Ness society to be pretty conservative and have gender-delineated roles. I suspect that the people that go are always me. But more importantly, if the source says "men" then I think "men" it is. Other sources online seem to say the same. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:56, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • This might be more dialectical than I realise, but I was surprised to see no mention of gannet being used to refer to a gluttonous person.
  • Added "The feeding habits of the gannet have led to its name being used as slang for a gluttonous person, a usage first recorded in 1929." sourced to OED Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:02, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm new to Scottish Gaelic, but my understanding is that an extended meaning of the Scottish Gaelic word for gannet sùlaire is a gluttonous person. Shore-living Scots and their predecessors relied heavily on gannets and their eggs as dietary supplements and even as staples (see St Kilda), so they would have been keen on gannet behavior. So apparently a Scottish Gaelic cultural usage, perhaps that then spilled over into English. Farefeerfalling (talk) 23:46, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sources look fine and I'm not going to pick on formatting at GAC.
  • Do we have an image of chicks or eggs? (An image of gannets for sale or being served would be interesting, too, but I realise that would be a big ask.)
I was thinking of bringing up showing the egg[1] too, but perhaps there is too little space left? I think showing the egg would be more important than some of the other more repetitive images of adults. FunkMonk (talk) 11:41, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Added egg image, it fits in an appropriate space Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:54, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's about it. I made some edits as I went (please double-check those), but this looks very polished. Josh Milburn (talk) 08:42, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Many thanks, I've fixed what I can, hopefully Cas can sort the others Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:37, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok: I respectfully disagree on the "men" point, but I'm willing to concede it. There is currently a mention in the lead that the birds are eaten on the Faroe Islands, but there are no details about this (beyond the old myth) in the culture section. I was also initially confused as there was no mention of breeding colonies on the Faroe Islands; what are the Faroese eating, and how are they hunting them? (And how are they cooking them, I suppose!) Josh Milburn (talk) 19:00, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • The culture section does in fact say they are still culled in small numbers on Mykines, which is in the Faroes. Apart from what is already there about smoking, I've nothing to hand about cooking, I'll see what I can find tomorrow Jimfbleak - talk to me? 20:07, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK, I've added Mykines, the only Faroes site, to the colonies, also numbers culled there, and I've added cooking techniques. Also a Homeric gannet myth. It looks as if Cas Liber has updated Norway too Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:32, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Great; I think this article now far surpasses the GA criteria, and so I am very happy to promote it. Great work; I'm always thrilled to see such strong articles on British species. Josh Milburn (talk) 18:20, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

great/thx Josh - no prizes as to guessing where it's going next .... ;) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:35, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
J Milburn, yes, thanks for such a thorough review, it's good prep for FAC. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:29, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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