Talk:New Zealand FP class electric multiple unit

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Classification[edit]

According to [1], page 89, the classification being tentatively considered for the Matangi units is MEM and MET. --Lholden (talk) 02:07, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The classification F appears to come from an official source. However, given recent attempts to change references to the classification in the article, and official documentation that "hints" at a new classification, perhaps we should consider renaming the article to NZR ME class in addition to updating all class references in the article only after this is confirmed either by an official source or the EMUs in question enter service, which ever occurs first. – Matthew25187 (talk) 23:37, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. I don't have any issue with renaming this article for the sake of accuracy, but the anon editor is taking a broad "find and replace" approach to the page, which breaks the image and doesn't actually change the article's name by moving it. My issue is that there's no verified documentation - although I dug up the above council report, there's nothing to say that the classification will actually be used. --Lholden (talk) 23:44, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I was at a presentation the other night about these units by one of the project managers, and he said that the classification is FP/FT (FM was originally suggested, but since heritage groups still use FM wagons, that classification wasn't going to be used). I suspect any public official documents with the new classification will not surface until much closer to the arrival of the units. I guess we should wait and see. --Lee Begg (talk) 00:58, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article move[edit]

Now that the EMUs classification has been resolved, can we move the article? Cheers. --Lholden (talk) 21:04, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

KiwiRail Ownership?[edit]

In the introduction paragraph it states that "Over time ownership will be transferred to KiwiRail". I don't recall reading or hearing anything about KiwiRail getting ownership of the new units. I thought that only GWRC were going to own the units while they contract KiwiRail (Tranz Metro) to operate them. Can somebody please clarify this? Wadels (talk) 14:33, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Whoever owns them, it isn't called NZR; I feel a move coming on...Nankai (talk) 02:51, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Google search: matangi trains = About 25,800 results; "NZR FP class" trains = About 1,210 results. I think it is clear what these trains are called. So here goes...

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: consensus not to move. A redir has been created instead at Matangi electric multiple unit. A hatnote already existed at Matangi. Andrewa (talk) 21:08, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]


NZR FP class → Matangi electric multiple unit — because that's what it's called. Nankai (talk) 02:57, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just to be certain that we aren't talking about that Indian thingy, another bit of googling:

  • "nzr fp class" trains wellington About 484 results
  • "matangi" trains wellington About 11,400 results

Pretty clear, that's what they're called. To cite Wikipedia:Article titles; the present title lacks "Recognizability, Naturalness, Precision" although it follwos an existing naming convention ("NZR..."), albeit one which is inaccurate since NZR stopped commissioning trains some years ago. Let's see what others think. In good faith, Nankai (talk) 03:06, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

They are officially classified by KiwiRail as the FP class, but are more commonly known, especially by the public, as Matangis. As every article follows the classification convention (NZR DC class, NZR DX class, NZR DL class etc.), in my opinion this article should remain as is, with a redirect. Pcuser42 (talk) 04:25, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I vote NO to this proposal. To rename the article as proposed would make its name inconsistent with the Manual of style. Having a common prefix, as per the MOS, is a good thing for many reasons, including making articles easier to find (when quick searching on WP), categorise, etc. As per WP:Redirect, alternative designations can easily be accommodated with redirections. — Matthew25187 (talk) 05:07, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As with the NZR AK class carriage, I oppose this move - however perhaps the article could be moved to NZR FP class (Matangi), as per NZR RM class (Silver Fern)? --LJ Holden 01:39, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
The reason for the extra wording on the Silver Fern article is to differentiate between the different railcars, all classified RM. As there is only one FP class, the Matangi label, in my opinion, is unnecessary. Pcuser42 (talk) 20:13, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, I understand that. But what I'm saying is that they're actually named by the GWRC (aka Metlink/Tranz Metro) as "Matangis" and referred to by the media as such. The label is necessary for the reasons Nankai outlined above. --LJ Holden 04:34, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
The DMs and EMs are referred to as the English Electrics and the Ganz Mavags respectively by the public and media, however neither article includes this in their title. Pcuser42 (talk) 04:50, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, maybe they should. After all we differentiate between DF classes that way. --LJ Holden 07:45, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
The DF classes are actually differentiated by year of introduction, not by public name (which for most people is simply "locomotive" or "engine"). In terms of the proposal, I vote for a redirect to NZR FP class. Pcuser42 (talk) 02:37, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, I can live with that. --LJ Holden 22:22, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
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Thank christ you folks didn't move this article away from NZR FP class. I really need to get involved with this stuff again as I've noticed a few other articles drifting slightly from the NZR Manual of Style, but I just don't have the time/inclination. - Axver (talk) 02:13, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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