Talk:Neve Campbell/Archive 1

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Re: the removed image. Redux, that image is certainly copyrighted. We don't infringe by using it until someone tells us not to. That isn't the way things work around here. Please go to Wikipedia:Possible copyright infringements to argue a fair use case, and for further info on using copyrighted material in Wikipedia. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 16:21, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Image

Can someone find a better image (an uncopyrighted, or a copyrighted one whose license allows use in wikipedia) of Neve Campbell, rather than the small blurry color-bled one currently in display. A scaled down screen cap of any of her movies fall into the class of images that fall under the category of what can be used in wikipedia, or a scaled down poster of any of her movies. --Soumyasch 18:26, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, I guess we could use that one from Wild Things (which is at the filmography now). It's not bad, but it's kinda out there... JackO'Lantern 20:01, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Early life

How can Neve Campbell be Jewish and her brother's name is Christian campbell — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.137.209.12 (talk) 9:41, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

"Neve" means "oasis" in Hebrew?

נאת םדבר (transliteration: "nah-ahs meed-bar") means "oasis." I therefore corrected this erroneous assertion in the article.

--Lance6968 20:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

How can Neve Campbell be Jewish?

Neve Campbell is not Jewish. She claims to be a practicing Roman Catholic.

Under what criteria is she Jewish? Certainly, Campbell is not Jewish by well established Jewish criteria; and, it is important to note traditional Judaism regards Roman Catholicism as the practice of idolatry. In the Jewish community I grew up in, churches, and Catholic churches in particular, were viewed as creepy places.

Her claim may amount to an attempt to gain notoriety (and perhaps acceptance in Holywood).

She has no connections to any Jewish community or Jewish causes; and her brother's name is "Christian"!

Accordingly, a slight edit is manifestly appropriate.

--Lance6968 19:48, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Please see Judaism and Who is a Jew?: "According to traditional Jewish Law, someone is considered to be a Jew if he or she was born of a Jewish mother." Neve Campbell's mother was Jewish, so she is Jewish as well. Whether she actually believes in the principles of Judaism is irrelevant in regards to this point. Whether she is connected to any Jewish causes is most definitely irrelevant, just like the name of her brother. Also note that the father of the two was a Catholic, and that names aren't just chosen by the mother. The first name Christian doesn't say anything about the religious beliefs of the father or the mother. Heck, Frank Zappa called his son Ahmet ("one who constantly thanks God", one of the names of Muhammad), but Frank Zappa was by no means a Muslim. A ecis ^{I'm too busy acting like I'm not naive.} 00:12, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

You are correct that Halacha, Jewish law, deems a person Jewish if they are born from a Jewish woman. But what evidence is there that Marnie Campbell's mother is or was Jewish? --Lance 00:20, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

You mean Marnie Neve? Just the surname, to start with. Neve as a surname is used only by Dutch Jews of Spanish and Portuguese descent. They came to the Netherlands in the early 17th century, and established for instance the community Neve Salom in Amsterdam. A ecis ^{I'm too busy acting like I'm not naive.} 00:29, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Ballet Dancer??

On January 20, 2007, Sumahoy says "Her ballet was just a childhood thing, so it does not merit a (Ballerinas) category." Neve Campbell may not be a ballerina, but ballet dancing has been much more than a childhood thing for her. This link ([[1]]) is an interesting story that gives insight into her love of dance. Que-Can 22:53, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Added Scream to the Filmography - needs editing

Hello,

I am new to wikipedia, I added scream to the filmography, however the table needs some editing to make sure the two first films have the same year (1996) to their left (only one case, not two). Thanks

Francis The Bird 19:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Westwood High School - incorrect link

--The Westwood Secondary School referenced in the Neve Campbell article is one that is in Mississauga (old Malton), Ontario Canada @ Goreway/Morningstar Drive. Not in Singapor as the link suggests. Tlbelc (talk) 15:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC) tlbelc

I have removed the link to the school in Singapore and added a link to the correct school in Canada. --Mysdaao ^talk 15:24, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Wild Things

Did Neve have tattoos and a tongue ring in this film? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.122.214.45 (talk) 08:15, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Wild Things

Will anbody answer the question? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.122.214.52 (talk) 06:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

This is not a chat forum. It is place where we discuss how to improve the attached article. -- The Red Pen of Doom 11:35, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Disingenuous Jewish identification

I just carefully re-read the text and the source to justify it. Quite frankly, much more was said than was justified. The assertion in respect of Campbell’s mother requires further references; and I have indicated that in the article.

I would further state that you CANNOT be both Jewish and Catholic. Catholic theology is obnoxious from a Jewish point of view. The Catholic church refers to itself as "verus"-Israel, (Latin for "true"-Israel), and strangely considers the Jewish people "cursed," in order to justify its purported replacement of G-d's Chosen People. The history of Catholic criminality against Jews—-that includes mass murder, torture, humiliations, theft, and forced conversion—-is too long to elaborate on here.

Campbell's assertions about being a non-existent "Catholic"-Jew would not be accepted by either Catholics or Jews. So the question is: What motivates the Jewish identification? Her brother Christian, (and no Jewish woman, who has any identification with Judaism, would name their son "Christian"), has no similar Jewish identification. (And the article for Christian Campbell should be consistent with this one; currently, it is not). This discrepancy should be in the article.

My theory is that this is a Zelig phenomenon that indicates a wishy-washy desire to be everything to everyone. Evidently, Campbell will say anything that, in her view, advances her career.

--Lance 23:58, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps it's a wishy-washy desire, perhaps not. It's not up to us to philosophize and psychologize on Neve Campbell's motivations. Apparently she claims to be partly Catholic and partly Jewish. And I think we're just gonna have to respect that, just as we have to respect Tom Cruise's exploitation of Scientology and Madonna's exploitation of Kabbala. Neve Campbell has a Jewish-Dutch mother, so technically speaking she was born Jewish, regardless of whether she believes in the principles of Judaism or not. And saying that "no Jewish woman, who has any identification with Judaism, would name their son "Christian" " is a terrible generalization and oversimplification. A ecis ^{I'm too busy acting like I'm not naive.} 00:06, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I do not want to get into a discussion of the sociology of religion or even antisemitism, that was largely invented by the Catholic church, but the two religions in question have a history where conversion is rare; and claiming identification with both is patently contradictory. In the study of logic, a contradiction implies a false premiss. This false premiss deserves mention in the article.--Lance 00:29, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

It wouldn't deserve mention, because it would be our original research and our analysis of her state of mind. What matters is simply that she claims to identify with both religions. What that says about her and her state of mind is up to the reader to decide. A ecis ^{I'm too busy acting like I'm not naive.} 00:31, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, but the previous reading of the article, before my edits, didn't provide the reader with all of the facts, fairly stated.--Lance 00:36, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
- This discussion is silly. No, the article does not need to be consistant with her brother, Christian Campbell, because we do not have sources that describe him as Jewish. All we need are our basic policies, WP:V and WP:NOR. In this case, I am restoring the category "Canadian Jews" because Campbell says she is, regardless of whether Wikipedia editors think she is not (and if I may note, at the moment we have the categories "Scottish Canadians" and "Dutch Canadians", even thoug the sources say that Campbell's mother is Dutch, not Campbell herself). Anyway, as for the article, I am taking out "claims to", unless you plan to add "claims to" for every single piece of information on every single individual on Wikipedia. The only (and I stress that word) important thing is what the sources say specifically on (in this case) Neve Campbell, not what Wiki users say or think. Since in this case we don't have conflicting sources on this particular issue, a "claims to" is not necessarily (until a reputable source disputes these claims - Wiki users, again, not being reputable sources) Mad Jack 05:28, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
  - Anyway, I really really hope that there will be no further discussion on this, so I will now compare the text now in the article to the source:
"Campbell is Catholic" - check. She says that she is a "practicing Catholic". She doesn't say she was "raised Catholic", and we don't know that she was, so until we have a source that says so...
"but also identifies as Jewish because of her mother's Sephardic Jewish ancestry" - check and check for both from the source.
The category "Canadian Jews" - check - "if someone asks me if I'm Jewish, I say yes".

So, until we have sources that say that Campbell is "not Jewish", or sources that conflict with any of this information, it would be original research to remove the category since we have a very reputable source that she is (and I don't want to get into the fact that there are a ton of definitions for the word "Jewish", ranging from religious Jewish (a ton of denominations) to religious Jewish because of ethnicity, and ending with people who are simply ethnically Jewish or part Jewish; even if we could use a definition of "Jewish" to determine who is or is not, which we can't, we could pick from Campbell being Jewish because her maternal great-great-great-great-great-grandmother was, if she was, or Campbell being not Jewish by Reform standards because she was not raised Jewish, or Campbell being Jewish or part Jewish by ethnicity, etc.). What's important is what the source says specifically on the subject in question, and in this case the only source on Campbell's Jewishness says "yes". And, as I said before, the categories "Scottish Canadian" and "Dutch Canadian" are included, even though I have not seen a single source that described Campbell herself as "Scottish Canadian" or "Dutch Canadian", just sources that mentioned Scottish or Dutch ancestry (not the same thing). Shame that no one started a row over those. Mad Jack 05:57, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Your reference to "ton of denominations," is either ignorance or bigotry. There is only one Halachic definition of being a Jew; and it is universally accepted, being of ancient origin.

There is a very simple answer as to whether Ms Campbell is Jewish or not. If she was living in Nazi occupied Europe before the American led liberation, would she have been murdered by the Nazi's. I think the answer is obvious. Johnwrd (talk) 23:55, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

In contradistinction, to your assertions about "sources," that is exactly what I had edited into the article. You have, by undoing the edits, made the article less verifiable and unsourced. My edit let the source speak for itself. Your undoing of the edit, once again makes for a presumptuous and bizarre article. It would strike any reasonably informed Jewish person, (most Jews know little or nothing about Christian theology), that a person who claims to be a "practicing Catholic" cannot also, consistently, claim to be Jewish. And there is no source that confirms Campbell’s mother is Jewish; and a lot of evidence that she is not.

It just seems to me that you are seeking a conflict. First by your hostile, (and antisemitic), comments above. I don't believe hyperbole, ("maternal great-great-great-great-great-grandmother was, if she was, or Campbell being not Jewish by Reform standards"), is appropriate when speaking of another's faith.

I am new to Wikipedia and, alas, you are the first antisemite I have encountered here. I will re-instate my reasonable edit; and undo your unreasonable edit.--Lance 06:38, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

This is ridiculous, as is calling me an "antisemite"! (which violates Wikipedia:No personal attacks). We go by what the sources say specifically on the subject. What I am seeking is to remove the personal opinions of editors from articles, which is what we are getting quite a lot, especially in the matters of ethnicity. Again, I have restored the article to exactly what the source said. If you wish to dispute this, you should do so with a source specifically on Neve Campbell. So, to be specific, if you want to dispute "Campbell is Catholic", you'd need a source that said otherwise; if you want to dispute that Campbell identifies herself as Jewish, you would need a source that she does not identify herself as such; if you want to dispute that her mother has Jewish ancestry, you would need to find a source that says she does not; if you want to dispute the fact that she is categories as Jewish, you would need to find a source that says she is not. It is all, 100%, totally about what sources say on Wikipedia. (oh, and if there was an undisputed definition of who is Jewish, we wouldn't have the article Who is a Jew?, but neither that article nor any definitions of Jewish can be used on Neve Campbell until a reputable source does so) Mad Jack 07:23, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Read my edits. I am neither seeking a conflict nor a confrontation. The unedited version of the article, that you are championing, is prima facie absurd, and requires additional sources. Rather than quarrel with me, I believe it would be more constructive to find citations as I indicated are needed in the article.--Lance 07:49, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
- Citations for what? Only one citation is required for a piece of info as long as it is reliable source. If you are not seeking a confrontation, then I am not sure why you are removing sourced info like the "Canadian Jews" category (since we have a very, very reputable source that she is - her own self-identification). Phrases like "claims to", etc. are POV since we don't have any counter-claims. Specifically this phrase "Campbell is Catholic, but also identifies as Jewish because of her mother's Sephardic Jewish ancestry" - is fully supported by the citation. You are inserting that she was "raised Catholic", for which we have no source for. You are putting in "reported to have said" which is completely unnecessary unless we are going to put that in for every piece of info on Wikipedia. And you are removing the category for which we have a direct source for. Mad Jack 07:54, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
  - By the way, if you revert again, it would have violated WP:3RR since it would count as four reverts to a distinct previous version (my first edit was not a revert to a previous version as I altered the text to something different than what was there before; I've since reverted three times) Mad Jack 07:56, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

It is clear that I am dealing with someone whose bigotry doesn't allow them to see a clear problem here.--Lance 08:00, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
- I am not going to remove this personal attack this time, though I am perfectly entitled to under WP:NPA. What I can tell you now is what I have told you before. 1. You can not say that Campbell was "raised" Catholic because we don't have a source that she was raised Catholic, only that she is, 2. "but has made reference" is bad writing and Wikipedia certainly isn't going to use that phrase before every sentence of every biography, 3. You put in a "citation needed" for her mother's ancestry, wheres in the citation is right there (as I'm sure you know), 4. "From which she is reported to have said" is again bad writing, and, also, "reported to have said" is redundant. So is 5. Including the whole quote in there. And 6. You removed "Canadian Jews", even though we have a reputable source where she explicitly identifies herself as such, and no sources that she is not. My version included the one simple line that Campbell is Catholic (which is sourced exactly), that she identifies as Jewish also (which does, sourced exactly), because of her mother's Jewish ancestry (again, sourced exactly; note, my version does not say her mother is Jewish, but rather that she has Jewish ancestry, exactly as the source says). My version also includes the category "Canadian Jews" because we have a source that says so. That's really all I can tell you, except to repeat again that we only say what reputable sources say, and if one wishes to dispute what a reliable source said they would need a reliable source. That is why my version should be restored to or I will restore it when I am able Mad Jack 08:44, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

It is manifestly evident that you are seeking a confrontation with me; and, accordingly, you are not acting in good faith. I do not wish to debate this with you any further.--Lance 08:55, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

- I am not seeking a confrontation with anyone, and I don't exactly see the purpose of doing so! All I want and all I do on Wikipedia, in fact, is make sure that the content matches exactly what the source says specifically on that content, and especially within these often POV-ed matters of cultural/religious/ethnic background. Mad Jack 08:53, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Since when can't you be both Jewish and Catholic? [2] Remember that Judaism is an ethnicity as well as a religion. Indeed, you can be ethnically Jewish and a Catholic saint; see Edith Stein.--Newport 20:03, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Stunning! Are you seriously suggesting that this is not outrageously controversial for Jews?--Lance 21:34, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, how was she raised? That is the key question? Did she go to any sabbath services? Did she go to Saturday or Sunday School? Did she have a Confirmation or a Bat Mitzvah?? These are the questions.Dogru144 (talk) 00:54, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

What an absurd discussion. Is it possible to be both Jewish and Christian?

Well, there's God, for one.

There's Jesus and his Mum. St. Peter. St. Paul.

Bob Dylan.

Everybody in Jews for Jesus.

Mendelssohn. Schoenberg. Disraeli.

Yes, it is possible to be Jewish and a Christian, in the same way that it is possible for Father, Son and Holy Ghost to be One God. Good grief, Varlaam (talk) 09:54, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Daughter of Holocaust survivors

Her mother is from the Netherlands? And her mother is Jewish? Her mother or her mother's parents would have been living during World War II, the time that Nazi Germany occupied the Netherlands and subjected the Jews to genocide. If her mother or grandparents were in Europe at that time, they would be Holocaust survivors.Dogru144 (talk) 01:03, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

What about her father's side?

What about her religious heritage from her father? Very few --not to say none-- Scots are Catholics; mainly they are Presbyterian or some sort of Protestant. Was her father's background Catholic? Protestant?

As to her ethnicity/ identity, these associations are psychological. They develop from family and community in the individual's youth. These orientations in adulthood are willed by the individual.Dogru144 (talk) 00:51, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Image

I recently cropped the free image that has been in the infobox for some time from File:NeveCampbelBAFTA06.jpg to File:NeveCampbelBAFTA06 cropped.jpg. The reason I did this is that although it's an excellent image it's very long and stretches the infobox, and it also consists mainly of Campbell's body. As an illustration in the infobox, the most important thing is the face, and made up about a fifth of the image. The rest was a long, black evening gown, which doesn't serve to help understand Campbell's appearance, so I didn't think it was an important thing to lose. Now the larger image has been placed back into the article within a very short time, and I don't understand why it would be necessary. It seems to be redundant to use the same image twice in one article, one directly under the other. I'm going to remove it, but I wanted to explain why and if there's a good reason for returning it, that I'm not aware of, I'd be happy to discuss it. Rossrs (talk) 13:55, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Could we find an image that doesn't make her look like the size of an elephant? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.155.54.205 (talk) 20:39, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

question

I wrote about Neve Campbell Theat she is Christian not Jewish and then you delete that and write that she is Jewish . My question is how can Neve Campbell be Jewish And her brother name Is Christian Campbell?

Check the citation. Neve Campbell claims to be a Catholic and to be Jewish. The citation appears reliable. Remember, being Jewish is not just a matter of religion. --Yamla 18:45, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

-i'v got another question : how can Neve Campbell be the both Catholic and Jewish?

This has already been answered. "Remember, being Jewish is not just a matter of religion." --Yamla 19:16, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I wonder if her brother identifies as Jewish also, and I'm also curious how much Jewish ancestry they have. It could be anything from distant Sephardic to both of her maternal grandparnets (i.e. I could imagine them converting to Catholicism from Judaism in WWII Holland, and Campbell's mother being born Catholic). But I could never mind much background info on Campbell's mother beyond the cited quote. Mad Jack 21:32, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

To user --Yamla:

Re: Your Assertion: "Remember, being Jewish is not just a matter of religion."

O.k., if not just a matter of religion, that I agree with to some extent, in the case of practices in direct contradiction to Judaism; and no ties whatsoever to a Jewish community or Jews, as is the case with Campbell, all makes Campbell's assertions merely that, assertions. My Rabbi would not allow her to be married in his Synagogue.

--Lance6968 20:10, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Jewish is not an ethnicity, it is a religion. Muslim is a religion, not an ethnicity. Christian is a religion, not an ethnicity. Buddhist is a religion, not an ethnicity. Agnostic/atheist is lack of a religion, and it is not an ethnicity. Those that assert otherwise, have a superiority complex and are saying that "Jews" are superior to others. Neve is NOT Jewish, unless she converts to Judaism. Stopde (talk) 04:07, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

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