Talk:Nagat El-Sagheera

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Why move the article?[edit]

The logic for moving/renaming this article, from Najat al-Saghira to Najat el-Sagheera, defies comprehension. What is the rationale for the move? Was the proposed change accompanied by any discussion? If so, where is it?

The justification for this move is unclear, but appears to be based on a newspaper article cited in the edit summary,” Egyptian golden age singer Nagat El-Sagheera re-emerges with new single” Ahram Online , Thursday 5 Jan 2017 http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/5/33/254498/Arts--Culture/Music/Egyptian-golden-age-singer-Nagat-ElSagheera-reemer.aspx

The reliability of this newspaper source is questionable. It doesn’t even use the same spelling consistently within the article. Although the headline uses el-Sagheera, the body of the article uses “el-Saghira.”

The two main spellings used in the Wikipedia article are Najat al-Saghira (the original spelling) and Naga el-Sagheera (revised spelling following move). Both spellings were cited in the original article as alternatives but, the original spelling is most often cited in reliable sources as alternatives. So, why change it??

What do sources have to say about the spelling of this artist’s name?

1.Sources used within the article The majority of secondary sources cited in this article use the spelling “Al-Sagheera”

2. Other secondary sources The spelling, al-Saghira is used in numerous journal articles (too many to itemise) and in the following books:

• Nouraie-Simone, F., (ed), On Shifting Ground: Muslim Women in the Global Era, The Feminist Press at CUNY, 15 Sep 2014 p. 101

• McDonald, D.A., My Voice Is My Weapon: Music, Nationalism, and the Poetics of Palestinian Resistance, Duke University Press, 2013, p. 73

• Stein, R.L. and Swedenburg, T., Palestine, Israel, and the Politics of Popular Culture, Duke University Press, 2005, p. 178

3. Google If we do a Google search (as at 31. August, 2019) for these names, we find Najat al-Saghira Google = 68,500 hits; Google Scholar = 21 hits and Google Books = 1,270 hits Nagat el-Sagheera Google = 375; Google Scholar = 0; Google Books = 337 (but note that approx. half of these give the family name as al-Saghira) Clearly, the original spelling “Najat al-Saghira’ is far more widely used on the web and in academic.

4. Arabic language text The book on Arabic language, Nasser M. Isleem, Ghazi M. Abuhakemam, Kalima wa Nagham: A Textbook for Teaching Arabic, Volume 2, Volume 2, University of Texas Press, 2016, p. ix notes that:

“One might see the spelling of her first name as "Najat" or "Nagat, or a last name spelled as "Al Saghira Saghira," al-Sagheera, and a few other forms.”

5. Encyclopedia/ Compendia/ Dictionaries of Biography/ Reference works The spelling “Najat al-Saghira” (i.e. as used in the original article) appears in the following English language texts

• Hoppenstand, G., The Greenwood Encyclopedia of World Popular Culture, Volume 4, Greenwood Press, 2007, p. 205

• Leaman, O. (ed.), Companion Encyclopedia of Middle Eastern and North African Film, Routledge, 2003, p. 48

A newspaper article that does not use the contested spelling consistently, hardly provides sufficient justification for moving an article. Provided that alternative spellings are mentioned in the article, it makes more sense to use the original spelling and move the article back to its former place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.176.224.116 (talk) 02:53, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]