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Muñeira

In my opinion the text should mention the Galician typical dance (also popular in Asturias): "muñeira". This type of dance it is by far (at least in Spain) more popular than some other dances that are mentioned in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.221.21.168 (talk) 06:09, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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On Alejandro's comment

Please, note that the phrase about Latin-derived languages refers only to this Musical sub-region (Galicia, Asturias and Cantabria). No one doubts, there are many Celtic toponims in Galicia and all along the Iberian peninsula from Andalusia and Algarve to Catalonia and Aragon, (for instance "Segovia" has a Celtic origin). However, it is a pity the one for LUGO comes from the Latin "Lucus" and the town was born as a Roman military settlement.

http://www.celtiberia.net/articulo.asp?id=777 213.3.119.233 (talk) 03:09, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. Let me remind you that the equation bagpipes = Celtic origin is nonsense in musicological terms. Spreading of European dances from the 18th century explains the similarities between so distant regions as Ireland, Sweden, Bohemia and Galicia (more than 1500 years after all Celtic language had vanished). LMC, the skeptical Asturian. 23 May 2007

About Lugo (Galicia) it indeed comes from Latin, but it was named after a Celtic deity. The equation bagpipe=Celtic is not true, but what is true is the fact that melody (in musical sense) from the so-called Celtic zones of Europe (including Galicia and Asturias) shares a common base well defined much earlier than the XVIIth century. If you are skeptical, please study musicology after speaking non sense.--Xareu bs 15:39, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


Yeah, let's study. Xareu, you could dare to read this book. Its first chapter deals with the "Scottish-Celtic tradition". http://www.scrid.com/doc/14009345/hobsbamla-invencion-de-la-tradicion#source:facebook Perhaps it can help you to understand why that "common base" is late Baroque / early Classic.178.39.228.84 (talk) 20:49, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

There are hundreds of bronze inscriptions from pre-Roman Spain written in celtic script, and the Romans record nearly two centuries of fighting the celtic tribes over much of the country. These people and their culture didn't just vanish because of Roman rule and never forgot their origins, even if they were culturally latinized by the Romans. Of course calling today's music in the NW of Spain "celtic" is probably pushing it, mainly for commercial reasons and, after all, nobody really knows what "celtic music" was like 2000 years ago, all we can say is that music from certain places, today, have more or less celtic foundation or origin or influence or call it what you like. But the celtic influences are there, even if in the long isolation of the NW from the other places meant that the area developed its own very distinctive styles.

Caveat

to claim that the languages of spain are all of latin origin is a factual error. for example basque, and all its variations, is so old that no one knows where it came from. also in galicia there are many places with celtic names; as an example of these is the province of lugo. lug was a celtic god. the romans only added the vowel "o" to lug and hence the name. also to infer that there was no celtic presence in galicia is also wrong. the celtic tribes were first on european continent soil and then they sailed to the british isles; proof of this are all the prehistorical ceremonial spanish tombs found in ireland. there is even an old irish tradition that says that ireland was founded by a galician prince. also what about the castros. these fortifications appear all throughout the celtic world and they are also present in galicia;so to the phoenician, roman, gothic, moorish influences in the iberian peninsula the celtic one must be added.if you want proof you could go to the irish musical group the chieftains cd called "santiago". it is on label rca victor 09026 68602-2, on it they cite the book of conquests lebor gabala which says ireland was founded by the son of galician king breogan. also i quote"archaelogists date sea connections between ireland and galicia as far back as the bronze age" from the same cd booklet. regarding the castros fortifications and the name lugo you can do your own internet search,( but you should go as a tourist to gaelicia and see for yourself that they are still there) type in the words galicia, spain because there is another galicia in poland. regarding the basque language, one of the claims of the proponents of basque independence is that the basque land has never been conquered by anyone: not the romans, the goths, nor the muslims. this is known by all of the students of the history of spain of which i am one because my two maternal grandparents were spaniards and i was born in cuba, which is proud of its spanish heritage.74.225.19.234 23:16, 19 January 2007 (UTC) alejandro, el gallego.

Read it again. It's not in the "Basque Country" section. Nowadays there are no Celtic languages in the Iberian Peninsula. The booklet of that particular CD deals with legends, not history. Though the music of the Chieftains itself is enjoyable.178.39.228.84 (talk) 21:03, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Good article review

This article is currently under Good Article Review. Teemu08 07:23, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that some rumba groups shuld be added because this style has been very important in the 70's and 80's. Some of them: Los Chunguitos, Los Chichos, Los Calis. These groups' letters have a strong social (but not polithical) lumpen-related content. Also it should be noted that spanish rumba does not belong exclusively to Catalonia; I mean: for instance Los chunguitos were from Madrid.

Performer list

Camarón de la Isla and Paco de Lucía are not pop musicians, although they appear in the subsection "Performers" of section "Pop Music". Luis Eduardo Aute, Paloma Berganza, Pepe de Lucía, El Fary, Paco Ibáñez, María Jiménez, José Antonio Labordeta, Lluís Llach, Antonio Molina, Enrique Morente, and Joan Manuel Serrat, aren't probably pop musicians either. Moreover, what's the criterion for inclusion of a musician or group in that list? To be "well known" or "successful" is too general. --Anna Lincoln (talk) 15:13, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think that there are any criteria to be included. From what I've seen, people just continually add to the list their favorite singers. I think it should be reduced in size so that it doesn't become a list article. I am just not sure whom we should remove. Kman543210 (talk) 15:19, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Classical music in Spain

In the field of classical music, Spain has produced a number of important composers, singers and performers who are famous abroad (Pau Casals, Plácido Domingo, Sarasate etc). I think there should be a section about all this important people.

Also, in Spain there are over forty professional orchestras and important opera houses and there's no reference to them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karljoos (talk • contribs) 13:50, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Why not "Spanish music" ??

Why is this article called "music of Spain" and not "Spanish music". It seem unusefully compicated to call it "from Spain" since the word "Spanish" precisely means "from Spain". I doubt that "English music" is called "music from England" or "Chinese music" is called "music from China"... I guess it has been called that way because of the great number of people in north America that thinks that "Spanish" means Spanish-speaking Americans (so-called "hispanics", and does not know that it means "from Spain"... Why not using wikipedia to teach people what "Spanish" really means whereas following a wrong North American misconception. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.224.59.166 (talk) 18:13, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

"Spanish music" could rightly be interpreted to mean music in the Spanish language and not music from the country of Spain. It is therefore a much more imprecise title than "Music of Spain". Further, not all music from Spain is in the Spanish language, so it wouldn't all fit under an article about Spanish language music. English music is organized similarily under Music of the United Kingdom and Music of the United States. Nrswanson (talk) 19:29, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

From Burgos

This article attracts a lot of trolls and proud small-town grocers, anxious to contribute in brilliant ways as adding from Burgos to the Codex Las Huelgas (I think it is crystal-clear when you click on the link), all the discredited theories about the origins of Flamenco or the commercial gimmick Celtic music to label music from northern Spain. Not to mention the endless, non-alphabetical lists of performers. Let us continue this way and it will never reach the "good article" status. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.109.42.97 (talk) 15:50, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Is there really a flamenco band called "Testicals"?!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.135.84.232 (talk) 22:07, 26 March 2010 (UTC) It is a pity but articles like this make us lose our faith in Wikipedia. Who are the morons that insist in the "Dark Ages Fantasy" theme for Flamenco origins again and again?178.39.228.84 (talk) 21:08, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Intro-Pepe Romero

I don't believe Pepe Romero has composed any music, yet it says in the introduction 'classical guitar music of Pepe Romero'. I think it should be changed.2.102.145.148 (talk) 17:29, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

You can change it yourself. Jotamar (talk) 14:32, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Bagpipes are not Celtic

Bagpipes go back only to the Middle Ages. They have been traditional instruments over large parts of Europe for hundreds of years. There is nothing Celtic about their origin. Provocateur (talk) 09:32, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

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Folia

Shouldn't an article dealing with spanish music make some mention of the Folia?78.30.20.63 (talk) 07:37, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

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