Talk:Michael Owen/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Betting?

How come there is no mention of his 'contreversial' dip into betting. To be honest, I couldn't care less (he's allowed to have a flutter!), but this may be of some interest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.121.1 (talk) 17:10, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Northop Hall

Intrigued to know why the Northop Hall/Northop edit keeps being reverted - since Lower Soughton Hall (Owen's home) is actually located within Northop? Richsage 12:22, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Injury record at Newcastle

I've just edited the history of his metatarsal injury with Newcastle as the existing information was incorrect and misleading. I've included numerous references. aLii 20:38, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Reasons for leaving Liverpool

I believe that the line: The highly lucrative and lower tax wages on offer to Owen is misleading. As far as I'm aware Owen took lower wages to go to Madrid. That doesn't make said line wrong, but it is very misleading. aLii 20:38, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Owen did not take a wage drop to join Madrid, he was on £60k when he was at Liverpool which was all but confirmed when Liverpool signed Harry Kewell who was given a deal to make him the top earner at Liverpool the papers all said he would be on £65k aweek, Real Madrid was said to have given Owen a contract of 4 years and an £80k aweek contract. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.180.216 (talk • contribs) 13:55, 12 December 2006

the most recent injury while playing for england

son of a gun, as a newcastle united fan, i'd hafta say i kinda hate michael owen for now. 202.137.21.86 16:15, 21 June 2006 (UTC)aRie

Yeah, injuring his knee deliberately and ending his World Cup dreams and putting himself in physical and emotional agony like that. The selfish bastard! Angmering 17:12, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

"Category:Natives of Flintshire"

Deb has just removed MO from this category since he was born in Chester. I'm going to reinstate it, since just about nobody nowadays is born in Flintshire if the pregnancy goes to term - they'd either be born in hospital in Chester, Cheshire, or Bodelwyddan, Denbighshire. Living somewhere all his life up to his mid-twenties except for the first few days is enough to make him a native in my book! -- Arwel (talk) 17:13, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Please explain...

Would someone please explain this sentence: "Owen is currently England's 4th highest scorer of all time, with 37 goals in 82 games for his country, with him being England's leading competitive goalscorer on 23 goals."--ukexpat 19:51, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

He's the 4th highest England scorer over all games (competitive: ie. World Cup matches, WC qualifying, Euros etc. and then friendlies as well), whereas competitive is just those important competitive games. He's the highest scorer in competitive games, but not out of over all games for England. Gran² 19:56, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I have not lived in the UK for 12 years so maybe I am out of touch but is "competitive goalscorer" a term of art? I think the article needs to contain some clarification of this term. --ukexpat 12:53, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Competitive matches are the elite international matches. As far as I know even a single world cup qualifier gets huge revenue's through adds etc. These games don't have National teams trying out new players or formations,they play their best to win. Scoring even 5+ competitive goals in your international career is a good thing as chances are very rare and you have to seize the opportunity when you get one.- 3E933333Boy

vandalism needs fixed

Why the hell does it say in international career that he plays for scotland and the whole section is wrong because of this. Can someone fix it? The sunder king 20:57, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

list of intl goals

although the list (which was not added by me) was removed by a user, one way to get around the cluttered-ness is to just use columns. Chensiyuan 01:29, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Supplementary source

Jockbio.com would prove to be an excellent resource to use, if anyone's interested in pushing this article to GA. Chensiyuan 16:13, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Early life

I changed the bit it said about other Liverpool players who are Everton fans, because it said Steven Gerrard was one, and I'm failry sure he isn't. There was no source listed, so unless anyone can prove Gerrard was an Everton fan, of which I'm sure he wasn't then I think we should leave it off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gunsnroses15 (talk • contribs) 15:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

100th Liverpool Goal

Does anyone know how many games it took him to reach 100 Liverpool goals? -- 82.0.113.121 (Found it was 155 games) Only Roger Hunt was faster Post WW2.

Didn't Fowler score 100 overall goals (in all competitions) for LFC quicker? Let me get some stats...

Fowler's first 4 seasons were scintillating: 18, 31, 36, 31 overall goals in 34, 57, 53, 44 games respectively. 116:188

Owen's breakdown to pass 100 overall goals (sometime in his 6th season): 1, 23, 23, 12, 24, 28 in 2, 43, 40, 30, 46, 43 games. 111:204

According to wikipedia's stat tables on each player's page. Pretty close either way. Maybe Fowler's playing in more games in his first 4 seasons made it look more in his favour than I thought. Zerotta (talk) 16:01, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Scoring in major tournaments

"...This makes him the only player to ever have scored in four major tournaments for England" - What's that all about? Beckham scored in World Cup 98, Euro 2000, World Cup 2002, Euro 2004 and World Cup 2006 which is 5 tournaments. Not 100% if he did score in Euro 2004 but even if that isn't included it's still 4. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.101.41.107 (talk) 14:00, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Beckham didn't score in Euro 2000 or Euro 2004 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.213.1.253 (talk) 11:15, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Anyone?

Is anyone working on this article? I would like to take it to GA, but wouldn't want to step on anyone's toes. If nobody answers by Sat 3rd, I'll begin working. Best, – Toon ^(talk) 00:59, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

move

Sorry I can see my error now. Thatsitivehadenough (talk) 20:22, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

07/08 Apps Miscalculation

It says he made 29 League apps, 3 FA Cup apps and 1 League Cup app in 07/08 (33 total). Yet under total apps, it says 31.

Which is correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.168.169 (talk) 03:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Youth Cup

Michael Owen didn#t score a hat-trick in the youth cup final and it wasn't against Man Untd but against west ham. He only played the 2nd leg and scored 2 goals against a team including Frank Lampard and Rio Ferdinand —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.108.190 (talk) 21:19, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Official Fanmail Website

This is of use - official fanmail portal.

http://www.contacttheplayers.com/profiles/michael-owen/379.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andythorntonwrites (talk • contribs) 16:06, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I've removed similar links from the External links section of several footballers' articles. The site in question appears to promote a service whereby people pay £1 to have a message printed out and sent to a footballer at his training ground on the off-chance he might reply. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 18:40, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

The site in question does offer the service of sending messages to the training ground, but it has also signed up 70 professional footballers (Michael Owen included) who WILL RESPOND. This is why it is the Official Fanmail Website of the player in question, and why it is of interest to the users of this page. I admit that putting such links on pages to non-responding players would be spurrious, but adding links that are useful to fans around the world (and an official site) should surely be allowed?Andythorntonwrites (talk) 08:27, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

The point is that the site clearly comes under WP:EL#Links normally to be avoided part 5 (Links to web pages that primarily exist to sell products or services) (my bolding). Wikipedia biography articles exist to describe the subject, their life and career, not to facilitate contact between the subject and their fans. I don't know if you're connected with the site in question: if you are, perhaps you should also read WP:Conflict of interest. However, I'm only a volunteer like you and like anyone else who edits this encyclopedia: if you disagree with my reading of the situation, you're more than welcome to ask at the Wikipedia:Help desk for further clarification. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:46, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Struway2, note my summary on reverting: should only be educational links. If the link doesn't teach anything outside of the scope of the wikipedia article then it shouldn't be included. This link falls outside of this boundary. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 09:29, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I removed this again, it's a commercial site and not appropriate for wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.198.220.139 (talk) 08:48, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Just like to point out that by the time Newcastle get the fixture list for the championship, Owen will have been released from the club. And will never captain them as a championship side. They offered him a new deal in January 2009 but he refused to sign. So he could leave for free at the end of the premiership season. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.13.8 (talk) 00:23, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Delusions

Contrary to some deluded Man Utd fans, he doesn't play for the, so I've removed it from the box

Can someone remove this? He is linked to United but has not signed yet,the source backs this up. He is not a Manchester United player at the moment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul gx (talk • contribs) 22:21, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Newcastle section

Does anyone else think that the Newcastle section is disproportionately longer than it should be? It seems every little injury and every goal he scored (including preseason goals) is mentioned. I know that alot of articles about football suffer from WP:recentism, but to me this seems like one of the worst examples for a footballer. --Tocino 17:26, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

That should definitely be fixed, although unfortunately I wouldn't put this near the list of the worst offenders in that regard in WP's coverage of football matters. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 17:50, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Having a medical at Manchester United

He is. It is on Sky Sports News (UK satellite/cable channel). He was accompanied by NUFC player Nicky Butt of all people, presumably to show him around. MickMacNee (talk) 10:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

He has signed a 2 year deal with Manchester United —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kieronpearce (talk • contribs) 17:51, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

England appearance in lede

MickMacNee (talk · contribs) seems insistent on entering the words "between 1998 and 2008" into the lede regarding Owen's England appearances. Protestations to the contrary, this definitely implies that Owen is no longer available for selection, so it should be removed. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

It does give the impression his England career is over, and that may eventually prove to be the case, but I think it would be more appropriate to leave it open-ended. BEVE (talk) 14:26, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I can just as easily sit here and claim the previous version that does not state 2008 implies he played for England just last month. Would you be making the same complaint if it was 2007? 2006? I welcome any suggestion for change that makes it clear in the lede he has not pulled on an England shirt for nearly a year and a half, which is a pretty important detail imho. MickMacNee (talk) 16:09, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

If being left out of the England team for a year (especially while injured) were actually unusual in the current squad then you might have a point. But it isn't. And the idea that an open-ended "since" implies recent activity is obviously fallacious. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 17:49, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Whatever, I've learnt the hard way not to bother arguing with you when you believe something is right or wrong. Change it if you realy must, it is hardly important. MickMacNee (talk) 19:47, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Removal of ref

"Owen will become only the fourth footballer since the Second World War to played for both Manchester United and their rivals Liverpool."

I removed the reference, as (a) I'm not sure we can use Wikipedia to reference itself, and (b) it doesn't back up the above sentence anyway; it's a list of players transferred directly between the two clubs. Cheers, BEVE (talk) 17:33, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Intertoto Cup with Newcastle

I'm not sure this should be listed. Whilst he was under contract to Newcastle at the time they won it, I don't think he ever actually played in any of their Intertoto Cup or UEFA Cup matches. - KidCanary (talk) 13:13, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Man Utd squad Number

Owen was pictured wearing the number 19 (Not 7) on his training kit —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.21.110.194 (talk) 15:41, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Training kit numbers are irrelevant. IIRC, Ryan Giggs wears number 56 on his training kit. – Pee Jay 16:36, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

goals from penalties

I was wondering if there is anyone that knows how many goals Owen did score from penalties for Liverpool in the seasons 2002/2003 and 2003/2004? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.213.135.228 (talk) 12:32, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Shirt/Jersey

Isn't "jersey" American English and "shirt" British English? And the article subject is British and plays in Britain. BEVE (talk) 18:17, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'm British and I would use the two words interchangeably. I don't see any reason why "jersey" can't be used. – Pee Jay 19:00, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Career Goals

Are the goals that he has scored for the Asia tour not included in his career? --92.0.58.200 (talk) 23:02, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Of course not. The matches on the club's pre-season tour of Asia are not competitive and therefore do not count towards Owen's career total. – Pee Jay 23:06, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

OK Thanks --92.0.58.200 (talk) 18:04, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Now a united player

http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={F9E570E6-407E-44BC-800F-4A3110258114}&newsid=6635648 --P34c0ck1991 (talk) 17:53, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Owen scored his 3rd goal in 3 games as a Manchester United player against Hangzhou in China on July 26th. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidakast (talk • contribs) 12:41, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Retirement

Why is Owen's retirement from football not mentioned? He hasn't played a game since 2005.

Yes he has. Are you a Man City supporter? Spiderone 08:05, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Chester City

Might like to point out that as of March 2010 Chester City had dissolved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.84.185.225 (talk) 16:24, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Priyank10, 11 August 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} in article it says michael owen has scored 3 goals in 19 games for manchester united, but he has scored 9 goals in 32 games actually. here is source of manchester united website ^[1] http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={FE60904B-C2A8-4E60-9B05-700DBBC29BBC}&section=playerProfile&teamid=458&bioid=93894

Priyank10 (talk) 16:19, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Done CTJF83 chat 16:31, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

This request should not have been carried out. The infobox stats are intended to reflect league matches only. – Pee Jay 16:47, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

References

^ http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={FE60904B-C2A8-4E60-9B05-700DBBC29BBC}&section=playerProfile&teamid=458&bioid=93894

Owen's glorious hat-trick against Germany

It must be mentioned. Owen scored three goals on 1 september 2001, (last match played at the old Wembley stadium). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.251.19.144 (talk) 17:59, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Erm, that game was played in Munich, not at Wembley. – Pee Jay 00:06, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

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Champions' League runner-up honours

Should his Champions League runners-up honours be added to his club achievements section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.203.191 (talk) 14:17, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

No, because it is a long-standing custom in football biographies not to include runners-up "honours". Sure, they give you a medal, but it's not the gold, is it? – Pee Jay 22:34, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

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Manchester United

Debut season

On 3 July 2009, it was announced that Owen had signed a two-year deal with Premier League champions, Manchester United.^[1]^[2] Owen had also been linked with Hull City, Stoke City, Everton, and Aston Villa. Before signing for United. Owen stated said that the approach from manager Alex Ferguson came from "out of the blue".^[1] Owen was handed the number 7 shirt vacated by the departure of Cristiano Ronaldo to Real Madrid.^[3]

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^ ^a ^b "Owen completes switch to Man Utd". BBC Sport. 3 July 2009. Retrieved 3 July 2009.
^ Bellwood, Tom (3 July 2009). "Crossing the divide: Brave stars who pulled on the red of Liverpool and Manchester United". London: Daily Mail. Retrieved 5 July 2009. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)
^ Coppack, Nick (13 July 2009). "Owen: Injuries aren't an issue". ManUtd.com. Manchester United. Retrieved 13 July 2009.

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remove Before signing for United, he was so desperate to return to Liverpool, club where he emerged as a world-class goalscorer that he would have accepted a basic salary of just £25,000-a-week plus goal and appearance bonuses but then Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez's doubts over Owen's form, fitness and desire to put his club before his England ambitions ensured he rejected repeated attempts to persuade him to re-sign the player he sold[58]

the source this comes from is a newspaper well known for talking rubbish and is only gossip therefore not fact 213.107.112.50 (talk) 17:03, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Done. I 100% agree with you. Get yourself an account, we need more editors with a bit of common sense! doomgaze (talk) 17:08, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

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Please add David Beckham to the list of people who wore the number 7 shirt at Manchester United.

Arjun.abhynav (talk) 10:14, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Done
– HonorTheKing (talk) 11:41, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

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Transfer to Liverpool FC 115.135.140.44 (talk) 17:12, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

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Manchester United

Owen is currently going through his medical for Manchester United on a free transfer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.102.187.45 (talk) 11:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

There's an echo in here. MickMacNee (talk) 11:29, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Who are the other 3 players to have played for both Manchester United and Liverpool? Ince is the only other I can think of. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.67.213.179 (talk) 19:34, 3 July 2009 (UTC) Peter Beardsley is one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.250.39 (talk) 23:03, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

The mention of "fourth derby" needs modifying - El Classico is not a derby, it's just the biggest game in Spain. Real's "derby" would be the Madrid derby against Atletico. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.235.71.75 (talk) 12:06, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

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150 or more goals

I thing the following should be moved to the top of the article, as done on the Alan Shearer article.
"Owen is one of seven players to have scored 150 or more goals in the Premier League.[3] Owen is also the youngest player to have reached 100 goals in the Premier League." Thanks Kvsh5 (talk) 09:50, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Please remove/replace picture

This picture of Michael Owen that's in the article now is so blurry and bad, I get dizzy looking at it. Is there really no better picture available? This one is a lame excuse for a picture. Doesn't do the article any good. Might as well remove it. Matthijs J (talk) 07:24, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

I think that's a pretty unreasonable request. Any photo is better than no photo, and the one in place right now shows Owen's face pretty clearly. If you find it to be too blurry for your eyes, I think that's your problem more than anyone else's. – Pee Jay 10:09, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Post-retirement career?

I've just been updating Owen's blurb on the Cheshire Portal to reflect his retirement. Is there any referenced material on his career post-retirement? The lead states "He is a regular pundit on BT Sport football coverage" & the personal life section states "Owen also announced that he would be involved with a new selection of sport channels from BT Sport as a football commentator after his retirement" (both unreferenced), but there's as yet no section for post-retirement career. Espresso Addict (talk) 03:12, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Honours?

There seems to be some kind of contradiction here. Mattythewhite has just reverted my edit, which was adding some citations from LFCHistory to Owens honours. This is fine, as there links take you to wiki pages anyway. I'm not having a go, the problem I have is with the other "admin", GiantSnowman, who will go around deleting players honours as he's not happy with the lack of citations. Even though they are referenced within the article or wiki itself. Lots of players have no honours or statistics due to his reckless deleting. All I was doing was reducing the chance of someone removing the honours. I can't WIN!!!! SG73 (talk) 15:23, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Photo

I am unfamiliar on how to change photos, but I think his main photo should be updated. Pixelatedbro (talk) 02:50, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

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Help with finding a good source - Michael Owen youngest ever PL Golden Boot Winner

I am searching for a good reliable source (possibly from one of his books) that can be used to cite one of Michael Owen's unique achievements - that of being the youngest ever Premier League Golden Boot winner at the age of just 18 years. I have found two articles online directly mentioning this feat, one from Football365 (https://www.football365.com/news/the-record-premier-league-goalscorer-for-every-age) that I have been informed is unreliable, although I'm unsure why this is and where this was discussed as I see no mention of it in reliable sources noticeboard. The other (https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/youngest-ever-premier-league-golden-20555617) is from The Daily Star which is a deprecated source. Other sources I have found that implicitly verify the achievement are from Give Me Sport (https://www.givemesport.com/1518034-the-record-premier-league-goalscorers-at-every-age-from-16-to-40) since no one younger than 18 has scored more goals than his golden boot season and then there are many articles confirming his age of 18yrs when he won the award in 1998 (one could verify the age of all golden boot winners and conclude no one was younger than 18). All help either in finding a better source, or how one can use the above sources acceptably according to Wikipedia's citation rules (whichI'm not a champion in it seems :) would be greatly appreciated. Hope the Wiki Community can help! Thanks TheRealGutripper (talk) 14:13, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

[1] ttp://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={FE60904B-C2A8-4E60-9B05-700DBBC29BBC}&section=playerProfile&teamid=458&bioid=93894

[Owen_completes_switch_to_Man_Utd-2] "Owen completes switch to Man Utd". BBC Sport. 3 July 2009. Retrieved 3 July 2009.

[3] Bellwood, Tom (3 July 2009). "Crossing the divide: Brave stars who pulled on the red of Liverpool and Manchester United". London: Daily Mail. Retrieved 5 July 2009. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

[4] Coppack, Nick (13 July 2009). "Owen: Injuries aren't an issue". ManUtd.com. Manchester United. Retrieved 13 July 2009.

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