Talk:Matrakçı Nasuh

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in the article it is said "His birth date and birth place are unknown" but it is also claimed that he was turkish. please provide reliable sources.--Xashaiar (talk) 15:22, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He is of bosnian origin Ottoman (=Turkish in the modern sense), as it is the name for all the citizens of the Empire. Check out Miller's book, or references number 2 for more info. http://tamu.academia.edu/SencerCorlu/Papers/471488/The_Ottoman_Palace_School_Enderun_and_the_Man_with_Multiple_Talents_Matrakci_Nasuh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Corlumeh (talk • contribs) 09:30, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If he was born as a Muslim - it was not possible for him to be recruited through devshirme system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by N Jordan (talk • contribs) 09:08, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! As far as I can tell, the sources appear to be split over the fact whether he went through the devshirme system or not. He was obviously born Muslim, considering his father's name was Abdullah (bin Abdullah), but if this would strictly imply that he was ineligible for the devshirme system is beyond me. Was it possible that Muslim families in debt in some few cases also could make amends with "blood tax"? Praxis Icosahedron (talk) 13:10, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just found this in the article on devshirme: What is certain is that devşirme were primarily recruited from Christians in the Balkans. However, Bosnian Muslims were also recruited and sent directly to serve in the Palace. It appears devshirme was not merely "blood tax", but at times a general recruitment channel of bright youngsters in Bosnia with the goal of creating a multicultural statehood. Inalcik, the Ottoman empire, p. 78; L. S. Stavrianos, The Balkans Since 1453, New York 1958, p. 84: Exceptionally, in Bosnia the devshirme was extended to local Muslim families. Praxis Icosahedron (talk) 13:39, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]