Talk:Mark Zuckerberg/Archive 3

Archive 1

Archive 2

Archive 3

Website

The listed website is Mark's public facebook page, not his actual profile. Does anybody think this should be changed, or that both should be listed?

This is his actual profile: http://www.facebook.com/zuck DanielDPeterson (talk) 06:39, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Ceglia section

Hi, I believe the word "proferred" in this section should be spelled "proffered". Jorelvaccaro (talk) 03:01, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

 Done Yup - thanks. Missed that one. Tvoz/talk 08:51, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Religion

I don't believe "atheism" is considered a religion. Not only is it not capitalized when used, like other religions, but it's probably the antithesis of "religion." --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 01:50, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Atheism is the absence of theism. Theism and religion are not the same though according to this site -> Religion vs. Theism. However, you are correct that atheism is not a religion. Atheism is just a type of belief. Devourer09 (t·c) 01:52, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Also this has been raised here more than once. Changing the archiving period to a value more appropriate the actual activity. Lycurgus (talk) 20:44, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Butchering

Media are full of the story of this individual's commitment to kill and butcher the meat he eats. Apparently one of a number of yearly resolutions. Seems noteworthy to me in view of the persons role,reputation in economic life. Lycurgus (talk) 20:42, 2 June 2011 (UTC) (This should go on Zuckerberg's Wikipedia Page, not on Facebook)

In the year 2011 Zuckerberg has slaughtered a goat and a pig

In the year 2011 Zuckerberg has slaughtered a goat and a pig, argueing that he wanted to appreciate fact that the meat he eats is basically from a living soul origin, namely an animal. Critics has raised a concern aboat the morality of this action. Some have offered that he would make a contribution to a research for making meat artificially - "In Vitro" meat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.90.35.105 (talk) 15:06, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

I removed one of the early stories about him killing the animals as being insufficiently noteworthy for inclusion. See here. I haven't looked at any subsequent reports about the things you mention (critics and donations). I guess I'd have to see those sources, but, on the whole, the only reason this is getting reported is because (1) Zuckerberg is famous and (2) it's kind of weird and creepy for a lot of readers, so it has human interest. I just don't think it's very relevant to Zuckerberg's notability as CEO of Facebook.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:51, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

LOL what was the purpose of the new thread and the "In the year 2525" singsong? Hellooo? Tel Aviv? Anybody home? Lycurgus (talk) 08:21, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Sad Picture?

Why depict him as a depressed billionaire? He needs a new picture, namely one with him smiling. Picture in question: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mark_Zuckerberg_at_the_37th_G8_Summit_in_Deauville_037.jpg 08:29, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

He doesn't seem depressed to me, just neutral; the previous picture wasn't much better. I have other pictures of him smiling, but he's usually turning his head. I also seem to remember someone saying that people should have neutral faces in their portrait, and we should avoid photographs where they're overly smiling, but I can't find that guideline. guillom 09:36, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

I've uploaded a new picture where he's smiling. guillom 13:56, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Hey, that's a really good shot! So are your others, mostly very artistic and creative images. Candlelit images are very hard to capture so well. Thanks for the replacement. I noticed, however, that his tie isn't on very straight. A lot of potential employers might look down on that if he uses it on his resume ;) --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 18:11, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Hehe :) Thanks for your kind words! guillom 18:56, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Chopramol, 30 June 2011

please change NET WORTH from $13.5 billion to $18 billion.For a reliable source read new article about top three earner of technology sector in Time Magazine. Chopramol (talk) 04:05, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Based on what source?--Bbb23 (talk) 04:09, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. per Bbb23 -- Jnorton7558 (talk) 12:15, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Mark Zuckerberg's fortune value

Hi, i just want to make sure that the value of the Mark Zuckerberg worth should get an update.
Recently a report of Time Magazine says that Mark Zuckerberg currently worth approximately US$ 18 billion.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Deepvamdev (talk • contribs) 09:49, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Is this an RS? Confirms update. Wikifan^{Be nice} 10:43, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

See today's forbes 400. He's worth 17.5B — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.71.43.117 (talk) 16:44, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 December 2011

Mark zuckerburg is now worth 40 billion. (according to a tv show)

Joef360 (talk) 15:18, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

 Not done, need an actual source--Jac16888 ^Talk 16:09, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Priscilla Chan

The article says "they have dated continuously". They're not 'dating', they're living together.182.240.8.214 (talk) 01:12, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I edited this part of the article so it makes more sense.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:58, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

The other Mark Zukerberg

We need a disambiguation page for Mark Zukerberg, referring to the new Mark Zukerberg. Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/facebook-threatens-other-mark-zuckerberg/2011/12/19/gIQAodZi4O_story.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.228.112.21 (talk) 01:26, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Lie

This sentence "Zuckerberg was raised Jewish and had his bar mitzvah when he turned 13" has two sources, nut none of it has at least single word about that! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.12.216.214 (talk) 18:22, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Fixed with added cite and linking to existing one. Thank you for calmly noting the error.--Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 20:33, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

ok, 12th source has information about that, but 13th not — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.12.216.214 (talk) 09:08, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

yeah... ummmm no.

Early years

Zuckerberg began using computers and writing software as a child in middle school. His father taught him Atari BASIC Programming in the 1990s, and later hired software developer David Newman to tutor him privately. Newman calls him a "prodigy," adding that it was "tough to stay ahead of him." Zuckerberg also took a graduate course in the subject at Mercy College near his home while he was still in high school. He enjoyed developing computer programs, especially communication tools and games. In one such program, since his father's dental practice was operated from their home, he built a software program he called "ZuckNet," which allowed all the computers between the house and dental office to communicate by pinging each other. It is considered a "primitive" version of AOL's Instant Messenger, which came out the following year.[2] According to writer Jose Antonio Vargas, "some kids played computer games. Mark created them." Zuckerberg himself recalls this period: "I had a bunch of friends who were artists. They'd come over, draw stuff, and I'd build a game out of it." However, notes Vargas, Zuckerberg was not a typical "geek-klutz," as he later became captain of his prep school fencing team and earned a classics diploma. Napster employee Sean Parker, a close friend, notes that Zuckerberg was "really into Greek odysseys and all that stuff,” recalling how he once quoted lines from the Latin epic poem Aeneid, by Virgil, during a Facebook product conference.[2]

During Zuckerberg's high school years, under the company name Intelligent Media Group, he built a music player called the Synapse Media Player that used artificial intelligence to learn the user's listening habits, which was posted to Slashdot[28]

I just wanted to note that uhm.... these same paragraphs could be written about literally millions of young teenagers all over the world. Decora (talk) 22:54, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

I find your statement extraordinarily confusing and nonsensical. How could paragraphs containing specific biographical information like the name of the programs he wrote as a teenager be written about any young person? Can you point to someone else who created ZuckNet or Synapse, or who was tutored by David Newman? Your post makes no sense. Aerovistae (talk) 22:52, 4 February 2012 (UTC)February 4 2012

% shareholder

He is 28% share holder. We should update it. http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2012/04/24/facebooks-mark-zuckerberg-too-immature-to-be-ceo/?ncid=dynalduscare00000003

Maybe I'm getting the lingo wrong here, but according to this new Mashable article: "claims 56.9% voting power in Facebook and owns more than 1 billion shares in the company." I'm not sure if this necessitates a change in the little side bio box thing.

http://mashable.com/2012/02/01/facebook-compensation/?WT.mc_id=obinsite#46225Mark-Zuckerberg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.184.24 (talk) 14:56, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Fact Error in Early Years Section

The Aeneid is not a Greek epic poem. It was Roman, commissioned by Caesar Augustus, and written by a Roman, Publius Vergilius Maro, about the founding of the Roman Race.

 Fixed --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 19:07, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Jewish and atheist?

OK. So the article says that Mark Zuckerberg is an ethnic Jew and an atheist. There is a paradox: one is a religion, and the other is not. My point is, does he have a religion or not? Or is his status of being an ethnic Jew part of cultural heritage that he receives from his parents, not his own beliefs? 164.107.190.104 (talk) 20:02, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

He is Jewish and an atheist. There is no paradox; "Jewish" refers to his ethnicity and atheist refers to his religious views, the two are obviously not mutually exclusive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.225.37.94 (talk) 23:07, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

"Jewish" is a religion and an adjective to describe an ethnicity, the Ashkenazic Jews. His ethnicity is Jewish, but he has no religion. He is an Atheist Jew; there is no contradiction.

Add this to external pages

http://htserver.x10.mx/2012/02/24/leaked-mark-zuckerbers-personal-emails/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hackithack (talk • contribs) 06:11, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

what about nationality?

Ok, so I guess we can't agree on putting other poeple's ethnicity into their own pages, but what about nationality? That needs to be put under his picture, so people will know where he is from. We can't just put his ethnicity in there, what's the point of pointing out he is Jewish? He is just a young white American like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, and they do not have an ethnicity listed on their page.140.198.42.45 (talk) 01:48, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

If you look at the available infobox details that can optionally be added, you'll see that there are many. It's optional what's included. In this article, because it does discuss his religious and/or ethnic details, along with his college, more than other bios, adding those to the infobox is reasonable. If the article discussed his politics, the infobox allows for that also, and just restates bio facts already in the article. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 05:17, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Net Worth

He has 28% odd of facebook shares in a company listed as valued at about 100 billion dollars on the stock market s surely his networth should be updated to about 28 billion dollars odd not the 17.5 billion from before. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.229.112.54 (talk) 23:55, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Marriage

I am not completely sure that this is not in the article yet, but can someone put in information about his marriage to Priscilla Chan? Alexroller (talk) 01:36, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Probably a hoax. Norum 06:45, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

In the past didn't Mark say that he is gay? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.144.206.77 (talk) 14:15, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2147376/Mark-Zuckerberg-wedding-How-Priscilla-Chan-married-billionaire-Facebook-founder.html He is definitely married. Alexroller (talk) 02:38, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Fact or Fiction

Color blindness.. In the article it says, "Zuckerberg sees blue best because of red–green colorblindness; blue is also Facebook's dominant color.[98]"

The link to 98 references http://articles.cnn.com/2010-09-20/tech/zuckerberg.facebook.list_1_mark-zuckerberg-facebook-jose-antonio-vargas?_s=PM:TECH and nowhere does it mention about him having color blindness. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmsbrke (talk • contribs) 18:14, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

According to the source of where the idea that Zuckerberg has some for of color-blindness seems to point to this source

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/ask/2010/09/jose-antonio-vargas-facebook.html " JOSE ANTONIO VARGAS: It’s not a clinical diagnosis, if that’s what you’re asking. He told me he took one of those online color-blind blot tests, when he was at Harvard. It’s not particularly extreme, he said, just red-and-green colorblindness. But blue, he said, is the clearest color he can see.

Here’s a quote from an interview: “I can see a little bit of red or a little bit of green. Blues are just the richest for me—I can see all of blue.”

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/ask/2010/09/jose-antonio-vargas-facebook.html#ixzz1vR3xdgup "

The person who interviewed Mark was Jose, and Jose even mentions that it's not a "clinical diagnosis". Mark took an "online" color-blind blot tests, perhaps individually on his own that anybody can take on for themselves-- or he may have been joking about this-- which may explain as to why his "color blindness" wasn't a real clinical diagnosis.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmsbrke (talk • contribs) 18:26, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

He's not currently the youngest billionaire -- Edit request from , 19 October 2011

He's not the youngest ever billionaire Dustin Moskovitz is the youngest by about 8 days.

58.179.12.145 (talk) 06:59, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Should have some reliable source to go with it. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 16:45, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Heres the one on Moskovitz's page. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 19:31, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Looks like Wikiwatcher1 made the requested change. – Luna Santin (talk) 20:06, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

well then, if the source is reliable it should be changed to second youngest billionair.Millertime246 (talk) 20:07, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

 Done--Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 20:14, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I reverted the change because Zuckerberg became the second youngest billionaire in 2010, whereas in 2008 he was the youngest. I could have chnaged the 2008 to 2010 rather than revert, but I chose to revert because this field isn't what is true now, it's what he's known for, and he's not known for becoming the second youngest billionaire in 2010, he's known for having become the youngest in 2008. If we kept updating it, just his advancing age would eventually make the whole thing go away.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:18, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

The phrase "as of" is misleading/confusing, as it implies that he not only became the youngest billionaire in 2008 but that he also continues to be. It should be changed to "in" to correct this so that it reads, "becoming world's youngest billionaire in 2008". 37.130.224.20 (talk) 07:44, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Not done: This would mess up the flow of the article. The current wording is fine Mdann52 (talk) 15:19, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

very important picture

This picture is in the article. It is very important. I did not know until yesterday that Zuckerberg is extremely short. A little taller than a midget, though. Like the singer formerly known as Prince, they are both short in stature, tall in talent. Prince got mad when an interviewer said it but the interviewer did not fire back "ok, you are really short in stature, short in talent". Auchansa (talk) 05:29, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

In the picture, Obama looks about 3-4 inches taller. Obama is 6' 1". Since the average height of an American male is 5' 9 1/2", that would make Zuckerberg about average height, although his income is slightly above average.--Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 07:54, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Zuck is up to Obama's nostrils so he's not 3-4 inches shorter. He looks like he is 5'7". His wife is almost as tall. Zuck is short. Auchansa (talk) 04:25, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

And why did you even open this topic? To express your opinion about Zuckerberg's height? Whatever for?--Bbb23 (talk) 00:09, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Internet entrepeneur

This link in the lede is to a really awful article, more of a list. I think we should separate the links into 2, one for internet, one for entrepeneur, at least until that target article is more than a lousy stub.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 21:07, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

What's the deal

This is borderline disruptive editing. We have established a consensus that Zuckerberg is Jewish, the current article as of John's edit includes Zuckerberg's status as a Jewish atheist. So now is John arguing Zuckerberg is not an American?? Jewish atheist is okay, American Jew is not? BLP discussion. Wikifan^{Be nice} 20:51, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Ethnicity: Jewish. Proposal for removal of this

I have a few concerns about this ethnicity issue. First of all, why is the ethnicity mentioned at all? You don't see Barack Obama's infox listing him as African. Ethnicity is a very controversial slippery slope and it should not be advocated in this article without consensus to do it for all articles. This issue will become very problematic as there are no good reference sources to a person's ethnicity other than their physical appearances. Second, the article mentions that Zuckerberg was raised Jewish. This is a very valid statement and there are good references to show it. However, "Jewish" in this context refers to a religion. He was raised under the traditions of the Jewish religion which he later left and became an atheist. This fact, and all the supporting references, do not establish Judaism as his ethnicity. The claim of "Jewish" ethnicity is only creating confusion about his religion and adding absolutely nothing to the rest of the article. With this argument, I want to propose that we remove the references to Zuckerberg's ethnicity from this article. They are un-referenced and are creating more ambiguity than they dispel. Hamsterlopithecus (talk) 20:30, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Reasonable concerns. However, according to everyone's favorite encyclopedia, ethnicity does not define a geographical area, such as Africa, physical appearance, or race. Nor would a person's ethnicity be changed by their changing religious belief. So without a valid premise, it's hard to see why the term should be confusing, controversial, or problematic. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 21:04, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps adding the line "Religion: Atheist" would help to clarify any ethnicity/religion confusion. 68.81.237.245 (talk) 07:54, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

President Obama's article mentions that he is African in the first paragraph. Auchansa (talk) 05:30, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

His ethnicity is mentioned because it is one of the reasons for his notoriety. He is the first African American president. Should we change every article of all the previous USA presidents to say that they are Caucasian American? No (if you think otherwise, then our dispute is much more fundamental). Because it doesn't add anything to the article. They are not notorious for being white. Mark Zuckerberg is not notorious for being an ethnic Jew. We don't need to mention his ethnicity, just like the other 98% of wiki articles about people. Hamsterlopithecus (talk) 22:43, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Interesting question. However, your question and similar ones on just this fairly small Talk page, kind of gives the answer. The word "computer" is mentioned 4 times; "programmer" 0 times; "wealth" 0 times; "net worth" 2 times; "internet" 7 times; "entrepreneur" 2 times; and his ethnicity as a "Jew," 170 times! So talk page editors care zip that he is a wealthy computer programmer, but seem obsessed at his ethnicity. Hence, maybe we should leave it in just to keep them happy ;) --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 23:10, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

BLPcat does not apply, Zuckerberg is Jewish.

I don't understand why this continues to be edited out - link. Zuckerberg is an ethnic Jew, the article's body verifies this. One does not need to self-identify as an ethnic Jew, just as one does not need to self-identify as a Native American, African-American, etc. If editors want to redefine what the wikipedia community has accepted as the litmus test for Jew, they should take their proposal to the appropriate noticeboard/forum. Wikifan^{Be nice} 19:50, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I hate these discussions, and we've had them before, so I'll try to be brief and then let others weigh in (yet again). The problem with the Jewish category is it doesn't indicate whether it means ethnic or theological. We should probably have two new categories to replace it so it's clearer. But let's assume that we can use the category for someone who identifies as an ethnic Jew even if he is an atheist. The problem is that the article doesn't support any self-identification as an ethnic Jew. Now I know that WP:BLPCAT doesn't mention ethnicity, just religion and sexual orientation, but if we have an ambiguous category, like this one, it's reasonable to say we shouldn't categorize him as an ethnic Jew unless he says he is. Anyway, I'll bow out now and let editors hopefully reach a consensus on the issue.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:00, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Bbb, the problem with your views is that it is not consistent with historic wikipedia policy. Both Zuckerberg's parents are Jewish, he was raised in a Jewish family, and participates in Jewish-related events. American Jew does not = American Judaism. BLPCAT does not apply because it only relates to religion, not ethnicity. Are you claiming Zuckerberg is not an ethnic Jew? Because that's a losing argument. Wikifan^{Be nice} 20:26, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Apparently M. Z. is genetically jewish, but not culturally-religiously jewish, because inter-racial marriage is strictly prohibited in judaism. Not discrimination but practical necessity! That is how that small tribe of just a few million people survived 5+ millenia, simply by not mixing away in the billions of goyim of the world. That is why halachial law bans jews from "sitting at the table of goyim and accepting their wine" because that dilutes morals. He was excepted to marry a pureblood jewish girl, just like his father and grandfather, etc. did ever since the Mount Tabor. 91.82.243.3 (talk) 20:39, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

What? Natalie Portman married a non-Jew, yet she is still Jewish. Focus on the facts. Wikifan^{Be nice} 20:43, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you on this, Wikifan, the fact that Zuckerberg married someone of a different race (don't know if she's Jewish) is irrelevant to whether he is ethnically, or even religiously, Jewish. Lots of Jews marry outside their religion (or ethnicity).--Bbb23 (talk) 21:32, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Do we know for sure that Natalie Portman's husband is not Jewish? I could never really find the answer. It appears based on some comments she made that he is not. Maybe he converted? These are very important questions to answer on the Mark Zuckerberg talk page, I would say. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 00:11, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

I had actually provided source, I just don't understand, why you guys are still discussing about a small issue. I can prove that he is a Jewish by providing with more sources if you want some. Secondly, "nationality" must be mentioned, it defines from which nation does this person belong.--(talk→ Kkm010 ←track) 11:03, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

At least you've stopped edit-warring.

1. Nationality. "Should only be used if nationality cannot be inferred from the birthplace." {{infobox person}}.
2. Religion. The source you provided is unreliable for the material. He was raised Jewish. There's no source indicating that he self-identifies as Jewish now. If you can find such a source, run it by here before changing the article.

--Bbb23 (talk) 11:27, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

I had seen "infobox person", but I can tell you that there are numerous biography article where "Nationality" is mentioned. I'm still wondering why you are so upset about mentioning its nationality status.

2ndly, You're right he was raised as Jewish and he self-identifies as atheist. I can provide source for that.--(talk→ Kkm010 ←track) 04:16, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Nationality - it's unnecessary (I'm not upset). As for other articles, feel free to remove nationality in any article it doesn't belong in. See WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. Jewish. I'm glad you agree. We don't need sources for his being raised Jewish or him being an atheist. They are already in the article. But that explains why you can't say he is Jewish.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:37, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

At least we can mention atheist in the religion section what you think so. As far as nationality is concern I would rather urge you to keep it. I mean, its not degrading the quality of the article.--(talk→ Kkm010 ←track) 04:12, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Is this still an issue? I figured it would be resolved by now. Zuckerberg is Jewish, both his parents are Jewish. He does not practice Judaism, but he is a Jewish person - therefore we can include him in the American Jews category. I don't see what is controversial about this. BLPcat does not apply to ethnicity, if it did at least half of the Jewish BLPs would be subject to this new interpretation and be stripped of the American Jews category (many Jews are not religious). Wikifan^{Be nice} 06:46, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

We agree that Zuckerberg is not Jewish by religion. Just because his parents are Jewish doesn't make him Jewish by ethnicity. That is why the Jewish descent category makes sense because it refers to what he inherited from his parents. We have no source saying that he believes he's ethnically Jewish; therefore, we can't say he is, whether it be in the infobox or in a cat.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:29, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

You may be adding some personal opinions with the definitions. We can't just state that he is no longer Jewish simply because he referred to himself as atheist. Atheism does not necessarily replace or eliminate one's family religious heritage by statement, nor is atheism (not even a proper noun) a religion that one can convert to. Your second sentence may be the opposite definition, since ethnicity is inherited, not chosen. As for first needing a source quoting him saying he is "ethnically" Jewish, that's not a requirement, and can be inferred. In any case, there are Jews who don't practice and who may never discuss their own or family beliefs, which doesn't eject them from the faith, any more than Jews celebrating Christmas would make them a Christian. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 00:26, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

I assuming their won't be a problem, if I put American Jew in ethnicity category and hopeful nationality would remain in the infobox.--(talk→ Kkm010 ←track) 15:07, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

"Just because his parents are Jewish doesn't make him Jewish by ethnicity." Yes Bbb23, it does. Not only his is mother Jewish, but so is his father. He is an ethnic Jew. He could be an atheist, buddhist, christian, etc...he would still be an ethnic Jew. One cannot convert out of being a Native American right? Can Obama stop being an African American? How about Michael Jordan? This needs to end. Wikifan^{Be nice} 00:15, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

I understand your point except for the gratuitous "this needs to end". However, we're talking about a cat. The body of the article discusses his background, his parents, everything. The cat is ambiguous as to what it means. If I were born a Jew but didn't believe I was Jewish in any way, I would not like being labeled a Jew just because of my parents.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:29, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

And I've said several times blpcat does not apply to ethnicity, only religion. Zuckerberg is Jewish by virtue of being born a Jew, whether he adheres to Judaism is totally irrelevant. If you are uncertain what it means to be a Jew I will direct you to Who is a Jew? Wikifan^{Be nice} 01:01, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Nah, I'm not the least bit uncertain. Perhaps you should take this dispute to WP:BLPN. I'm sure there are lots of editors who would simply love to discuss yet another time the issue of Judaism, religion vs. ethnicity, cats, infoboxes, etc. It's a bottomless pit. As for us, we're going in circles.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:57, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

The onus rests on editors challenging consensus. Zuckerberg is a Jew, saying he isn't a Jew even though both his parents are Jewish is factually inaccurate. If editors are still confused then they can go to BLPN, but we cannot change the rules whenever editor disagrees. If Zuckerberg isn't Jewish under your personal interpretation, neither is Scarlett Johansson or Karl Marx. Wikifan^{Be nice} 08:00, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't see a consensus.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:03, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - as per my usual position - Two Jewish parents but limited association, unless he self declares he is a Jew - as per Ed Milliband - we don't need to label him when he doesn't himself - American person of Jewish descent is the correct/plenty of weight - Youreallycan 19:22, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

As your usual position? He has two Jewish parents, he is listed as one of the most influential Jews - reliable source, marriage - reliable source. "Limited association?" What? Is Karl Marx a Jew? Because under this new, incorrect application of blpcat - which doesn't apply to ethnicity - he is less of a Jew than Zuckerberg. He is a Jew unless editors can provide evidence to the contrary and that blpcat applies to ethnicity as well as religion. This shouldn't be an issue anymore. Wikifan^{Be nice} 20:26, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

I haven't verified it, but last time I looked Karl Marx was dead. If he wasn't before, certainly this discussion would have killed him.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:32, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Geez. Scarlett Johansson isn't dead. You's argument is weak, his example to Miliband only strengthens the fact that Zuckerberg is a Jew. Wikifan^{Be nice} 20:37, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Johansson self-identifies as Jewish (it's in the article). As far as I can tell, everything anyone says strengthens your argument, and on the sabbath, too. :-) --Bbb23 (talk) 20:52, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit, btw - your example to Ed Milliband is quite dubious. Not only are both his parents Jewish, but he has self-identified as a Jew (it's in the article). His brother is listed as an atheist Jew and he too has self-identified as a Jew. I don't want know why Ed isn't listed as a Jew in the categories, an editor should add the category. Wikifan^{Be nice} 20:30, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

He's not labeled as a Jew on his birth certificate is he? - Youreallycan 20:55, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Is this a joke. Zuckerberg is a Jewish, two reliable sources confirm, your link to Milliband only proves my point. If editors want to redefine what the wikipedia community has long considered the litmus test for Jew please, by all means, go to the appropriate noticeboard, but trying to make changes on individual articles isn't productive. Wikifan^{Be nice} 20:58, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

I understand its important to you and you feel strongly about it but its a matter of weight mate, in Ed Miliband and this case and the Beasty boy, Adam Yauch - and all similar biographical articles, the category person of Jewish ethnicity is enough weight. You have all the detail in the article/articles without labeling him/them. Youreallycan 21:01, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Heh, you just wanted to use the phrase "weight mate" in a discussion.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:07, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

This isn't about me, it's about Zuckerberg and is blatant status as a Jew. Two reliable sources confirm. Yauch only has one Jewish parent, why you are importing that dispute here is silly. Do you recuse your example as Miliband as a non-Jew??? Editors don't get to decide who is a Jew and who is not a Jew, reliable sources do. Unless editors can find concrete evidence that Zuckerberg is not a Jew, or he has forfeited is status as a Jew, or the sources listed above are inaccurate, the category should be reinstated. Wikifan^{Be nice} 21:44, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Just put "Ethnicity: Jewish" in the infobox or something, maybe that wasn't such a bad idea. The Miliband example is quite funny because there's a guy (Miliband) who said something along the lines of "Obviously I'm Jewish", and yet there was still a massive argument and dispute about him. Too much time on some people's hands. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 22:34, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Ethnic/race categories are inherently problematic - Cats are of worthless benefit in such notable people - Users find them directly - they then read the article content - its the content that is important here not adding them to disputed and vague categorys - Youreallycan 22:49, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

I've generally voted to delete these categories when presented with the chance. However, while they exist, they should be accurate and not bound to incomprehensible whims. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 22:51, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, and its accurate and with sufficient weight in this case to categorize him as a American person of Jewish descent - Youreallycan 22:56, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

People of Jewish descent is vague - typically means an individual has a distant Jewish relatives or grandfather, but not immediate family (say one grandparent is Jewish, parents are Christian, etc). Josh Groban is one example. I'm fine with Hallow's suggestion, Zuckerberg is clearly Jewish and reliable sources support. If people are so bent on blpcat - when it shouldn't apply here because ethnicity is not the same as religion - I'll support the infobox addition. Wikifan^{Be nice} 22:54, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

You say, " ethnicity is not the same as religion" but that is exactly is the problem and vagueness that is not clarified in Jew wiki cats - WP:BLP requests us to be sensitive and cautious in asserting claims about living people.Youreallycan 22:59, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

There is nothing vague about Zuckerberg being listed in reliable source as one of the world's most influential Jews. If editors find that vague, well that's on them. So far there is no evidence to suggest Zuckerberg is not Jewish. So either add the infobox, or the category. Anything else and this is just tendentious editing. Wikifan^{Be nice} 23:21, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

And someone, somewhere, will no doubt pull up this documentary evidence to disprove everything ;) --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 23:10, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Thats funny -lol - Youreallycan 23:16, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Ah, something we can all agree on. I !vote we put the video in the infobox under religion and ethnicity as a reference for the label "Cannot agree".--Bbb23 (talk) 23:32, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

What is up with this edit? There is no debate that BLPcat does not cover "ethnicity", so how can you cite BLPcat in removing something that is labeled "ethnicity"? All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 23:17, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

You're right, consider that part of my edit summary stricken, but there's still no consensus that Jewish ethnicity belongs in the infobox.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:26, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

So far editors haven't approached the fact that reliable sources confirm Zuckerberg is Jewish. Just because editors remain opposed in defiance of the sources is tendentious editing. One does need a consensus to make edits supported by concrete proof. Do you have a source or third party evidence that supports your position? Wikifan^{Be nice} 23:30, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Its in the content of the article, the most important part of wikipedia is the actual article content - that is the primary - 95 percent of readers don't ever click on as link or get past the lede, never mind get to the bottom of an article to investigate the cats the person is in - his Bar and Bat Mitzvah etc - :If you want to add Ethnic/genetic Jew to the infobox then imo you have to add his religious/non religion status also - which is atheism - As per my interpretation of WP;BLP I don't personally support adding either - and I don't see adding them as to the infobox as any particular additional value to a reader either.Youreallycan 23:34, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Even if by all definitions he is Jewish, the sources show he has once leaned toward atheism. That would at least imply that he would not want to be "labeled" or categorized as Jewish if he had the choice. The text covers the subject OK it seems, for those really that interested. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 23:45, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Not by "all definitions" but by reliable sources. Ok, he "leans towards atheism." as far as I know, he is a self-professed atheist. But he is also Jewish. That's why wikipedia has Jewish atheists. Youreallycan, do you disagree Zuckerberg is Jewish? Yes or no? If yes, then we are obligated to put that in the infobox or category listing. This shouldn't be an issue anymore. Wikifan^{Be nice} 23:53, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

It's hard to understand why you have "Be nice" in your sig. Be careful, YRC, you must answer the question yes or no; otherwise, the judge may hold you in contempt.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:58, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Mark Zuckerberg is American - we are not obliged to put anything in the infobox - especially when its disputed content - tell the story in the content in the body of the article - blind labeling in disputed situations is worse than nothing to the reader. - Youreallycan 00:02, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Blind labeling? That would be a legitimate statement if Zuckerberg didn't have two Jewish parents and reliable sources confirming he is not only Jewish, but one of the world's most influential Jews. Hallow updated the infobox to include the fact that he is Jewish. The edit was reverted because lack of consensus? What? What is the consensus suggesting Zuckerberg is not Jewish? One editor says he is "leaning atheist" - okay, we have Jewish atheists. Stick with the facts, stick with the reliable sources. We as editors are obligated to edit according to what reliable sources tell us, not how we as editors interpret ethnic rules. Wikifan^{Be nice} 00:07, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

AHW didn't update the infobox, Wikiwatcher1 did (in good faith). And you're repeating yourself.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:12, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant Wikiwatcher then. I am repeating myself, do you deny Zuckerberg is Jewish? Do you challenge the reliable sources? Yes or no, that would be really helpful. Wikifan^{Be nice} 00:13, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

@Youreallycan (talk · contribs)

especially when its disputed content - Where's the dispute about his Jewishness? He is ethnically a Jew. I agree with User:Wikifan12345. Why this discussion is even taking place is beyond me.  Brendon is here 00:15, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Template:Infobox person shows there are a multitude of optional details that can be added. None are absolutely required. And the purpose of an infobox implies that labeling him as Jewish, when the text goes further into his later decisions, would not accurately "summarize key facts in the article" and could be misleading for some. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 00:21, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Purpose of an infobox presently doesn't say that "labeling Mark Zuckerberg as Jewish, when the text goes further into his later decisions, would not accurately summarize key facts in the article and could be misleading for some". It only implies, purpose of an infobox is "to summarize key facts in the article in which it appears."  Brendon is here 00:28, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

No need for a consensus here. Sources check out. Facts check out. Users opposed to these edits have either stopped participated in the content discussion or are not providing anything new. Wikifan^{Be nice} 21:13, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

When a Jewish atheist celebrates Christmas, that's new. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 21:25, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

We have a category for Jewish atheists. Either use that or the infobox method. Wikifan^{Be nice} 21:29, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

The reason people have stopped contributing may be because there's nothing new to say (although your suggestion of Category:Jewish atheists is new). That doesn't mean you "win". There is no consensus. You could take it to WP:BLPN or to WP:DRN if you wish. My reaction to your category suggestion is mixed, so I need to think about that a bit more.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:40, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

WP:BLPCAT applies here. So does one-drop rule and yellow badge. We are not here to emulate the work of the last people to systematically decide other people's membership of Judaism; instead we recognise the complexity of ethnicity and religion. On an article about a living person we err on the side of not including anything contentious which cannot be referred to self-identification. Sorry, but there it is. --John (talk) 21:43, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

John, you tried to bring this same philosophy to Jeremy Piven and Vidal Sassoon, and you lost. Numerous reliable sources confirm Zuckerberg is Jewish, a BLP does not need to explicitly self-identify their ethnicity any less than a Native American or African-American needs to self-identify. We would "err on the side of caution" if Zuckerberg great-grandfather was Jewish and he had no Jewish upbringing (which he freaking did, read the article!). If editors dispute Zuckerberg's status as one of the world's most influential Jews, please take it to BLP noticeboard Done. There is no precedent on wikipedia where BLP Jews have had to be quoted, verbatim stating their Jewishness to be labeled an American Jew. Wikifan^{Be nice} 21:51, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Whether he is "one of the world's most influential Jews" should not be a factor in the discussion about the infobox or categories. However, you've mentioned that fact at least four times (1 strike, 3 balls) in your earlier comments. Such emphasis, true or not, should not be used to indirectly influence the topics we're discussing. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 22:04, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

I sent this to the appropriate noticeboard since this discussion isn't going anywhere. Wikifan^{Be nice} 22:10, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

@Wikifan, regardless of what you think happened at the Piven and Sassoon articles (and I haven't checked), we are discussing this article, and John's opinion is valid and continues to provide a consensus against putting anything Jewish in the infobox or in the cats (other than the existing descent category).--Bbb23 (talk) 22:10, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

So you're on board with this bizarre yellow badge/one-drop rule philosophy that has no basis in wikipedia policy? I have no problem against consensus, but in my opinion editors aren't considering the sources at hand and Zuckerberg's ethnic history. So, filed at BLPN as requested. Wikifan^{Be nice} 22:13, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

I could live without the yellow badge stuff, too inflammatory for me, but, obviously, I agree otherwise (starting with recognizing the complexity).--Bbb23 (talk) 22:21, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

I rather think John lost the debate. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 22:15, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Maybe so, but it's mostly immaterial. I didn't participate in that debate. Each of these debates has different editors arguing (although there also may be overlap), and without a global change to the policy, there may be inconsistent results.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:21, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Nomoskedasticity, I did think of that when making the point. Tell me, who were the last people to systematically oppress the Jews? The Nazis were the great ethno-religious categorisers of our times. If you want to invoke Godwin's Law, you do also need to acknowledge that we are not on UseNet right now but on Wikipedia. We are not having a flame war but rather trying to decide how (or whether) we apply a contentious category to a living person. So, if we were on UseNet you would have a point. As we are on Wikipedia, I think my point still stands. --John (talk) 20:14, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

What point is that John? Reliable sources say Zuckerberg is Jewish. He has two Jewish parents. He grew up in a Jewish home. He had a bar mitzvah. He considers himself as an atheist, wow - look Atheist Jews. What's the problem John? Analogies to yellow badge, one drop rule was dismissed as red-herrings in the other articles you attempted to remove Jewish status, why use them again here? Wikifan^{Be nice} 20:31, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Dismissed as red herrings by racial taggers like yourself, but not by the majority of policy-compliant Wikipedians. --John (talk) 22:08, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Racial taggers? Wikifan^{Be nice} 22:16, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

This entire argument is carried through by a single very vocal editor, Wikifan. There is absolutely no consensus on this mainly because of this editor. If Mark Zuckerberg doesn't call himself a Jew, then we should not try to push this view through this article. Why don't we just mention all the observations: parents are Jewish, he doesn't identify as such, he is an atheist? Labeling him a Jew (ethnic or otherwise) implies way too much and does not allow for the subtleties of this particular situation. Lets avoid the label simply because it creates more confusion than it clears. Simply put: if we label him a Jew, people will leave this article less informed than if we just state the facts one by one as the article already does. Hamsterlopithecus (talk) 22:59, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Signature

As part of the SEO filings, he had to submit a signature to the SEC, the image of which is available here:

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1326801/000119312512134663/g287954zuckerberg_sig.jpg

It was featured in this article (posted August 31, 2012):

http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-stock-letter-shareholders — Preceding unsigned comment added by Klamuth (talk • contribs) 08:10, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Rotem Guez and the name change

Should we mention Rotem Guez, the troll who changed his name to "Mark Zuckerberg", to prevent Facebook from suing him? Sources:[1] [2]. --Auric 18:42, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

He isn't a vegetarian

In this article, it was said that he challenges himself every year and he would only eat meat from animals he killed. So he isn't a vegetarian (even if he mostly didn't eat meat) and he never intended to be one for life (or at least a while) so it's silly to list him in the American Vegetarians category. Derpian (talk) 07:41, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

On Zuckerberg's official Facebook page he described this decision as "becoming a vegetarian" 4:38 PM 28 August 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kdf94ppf (talk • contribs) 22:39, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Zuckenberg

In the final sentence of the section "Personal Life" Zuckerberg's name is is incorrectly spelled Zuckenberg. 4:29 PM (Central Standard Time) 28 August 2012. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kdf94ppf (talk • contribs) 22:29, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 2 December 2012

Hi there.

the last line of the Bio on Mark Zuckerberg has his last name spelled incorrectly; it shows "Zuckenberg". The footnote #106 also has this same error.

Please review and revise at your earliest convenience.

By the way-- how do I go about getting a job with you guys as a proofreader? LOL

thanks

Mishamilf (talk) 06:12, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Done. If you see any errors on other pages, just go ahead and fix them. We're all volunteers. If you're intererested in fixing typos see WP:TYPO for the typo team. RudolfRed (talk) 07:03, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Citizenships

Jews have the right to get the Israeli citizenship. For the State of Israel, a Jew is a person born by a Jewish mother. It would be interesting to know if Mark Zuckerberg is also an Israeli citizen. 8:59, 04-12-2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.118.92.196 (talk) 07:59, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Antisemetism

Is it really necessary to list Mark's ethnicity as 'Amish'? Does Bill Gates have an ethnicity listed? George W. Bush? No, this is here strictly to draw attention to the fact he was raised in a Jewish background. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magickiwi (talk • contribs) 08:01, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

You want to say that when Jews are called "Jews" it is antisemitism?91.77.44.208 (talk) 08:23, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Obviously, yes, that's what e wants to say. Jews are not "ethnic", in the same way Bill Gates and G. W. Bush aren't. The apparent ground of all such complaints. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 18:23, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

But why can't we just list his nationality? We need to list other people's ethnicity too, we just can't leave them out, isn't that mean?140.198.45.62 (talk) 23:16, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Just saying he is ethnically Jewish is Antisemitism, as in, the statement alone discriminates against him because of his ethnic background? Give me a break.

It seems very out of place for an American atheist. Consider the following three individuals whom being Jewish is part of their "public identity":

• "Lawrence Gene "Larry" David (born July 2, 1947) is an American actor..."
• "Woody Allen (born Allan Stewart Konigsberg; December 1, 1935) is an American screenwriter..."
• "Jerome Allen "Jerry" Seinfeld[1] (born April 29, 1954) is an American stand-up comedian..."

And then:

• "Mark YOLO Zuckerberg (born May 14, 1984) is a Jewish-American computer programmer..."

It's not "antisemitic." It's just unusual. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.38.1.1 (talk) 16:31, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Jews have the right to obtain the Israeli citizenship. The State of Israel considers a person whose mother is Jewish as Jewish. I would suggest to clear the question if Mark Zuckerberg holds also the Israeli citizenship (at least, he knows some Hebrew). 8:56, 04-12-2012

http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishFeatures/Article.aspx?id=175871 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.130.41.110 (talk) 09:28, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Users: dumb fucks?

http://www.businessinsider.com/well-these-new-zuckerberg-ims-wont-help-facebooks-privacy-problems-2010-5 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.130.43.146 (talk) 17:25, 11 December 2012‎ (UTC)

Jewish roots of mark zuckerberg

please make a note, that mark zuckerberg is jewish... his family is jewish... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.71.173.252 (talk) 21:31, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

See Mark Zuckerberg#Early life. Edenc1 • Talk 22:11, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

im sorry to say i know you put this sight its a ok tthing but you need fix this are you gonna end up in law suit to much goes on this sight i belive you not see it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.133.61.194 (talk) 03:42, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Net Worth incorrect by about a factor of 2. Should be 17.7 Billion Dollars.

Mark Zuckerberg owns 632.65 million shares in facebook(1) valued at around 28 dollars as of 14th Feb 2013(2). The Forbes profile used as evidence of his net worth is outdated (September 2012(5)) as a) share prices have moved significantly since then and b) his share holding has increased by about 130 million shares ( he has gained over 3.6 Billion dollars worth of shares in compensation from Facebook according to their most recent SEC filing (1) for an unspecified reason - possibly in lieu of wages). Rounding to the nearest hundred million the product of the number of shares he owns and the individual share price gives $17.7B (632,650,000*$28 = $17,714,200,000).

This is the minimum number of shares he could hold as a) he has pledged not to sell for a year (3) and b) he may have gained shares since the last filing. His mortgage debt is insignificant relatively speaking(4) at under 6 million dollars and he has no other significant liabilities that are known of in the public domain, if any at all.

However, his recent Philanthropic donation of 500 million dollars may take the form of a liability taken against his Facebook holdings. To my knowledge it is not specified. One would assume it to be a liability because he has no other publicly known source for that amount of money by way of his dividends nor has taken advantage of any liquidity event of that magnitude by selling shares on that scale since Facebooks inception(no reference). His donation may not yet been given and take the form a pledge to give over or within a period of time. Its nature is unclear and there is no public information that I have found on it.

It is usual, simplest, and possibly least likely to be systematically or otherwise biased for somebody whose worth is exclusively or near exclusively tied to the value of their holdings in a public company for their approximate net worth to be considered solely derived from and therefore equal to the value of their vested holdings; for an approximation in an article like this. This simple approach gives $17.7B.

Certainly at the very least, for the sake of accuracy, the Forbes valuation of 9.4 Billion Dollars should be removed. Forbes may well constitute a strong source however in the case of Mark Zuckerberg and his changing net worth it has not been updated recently enough and was, I believe, last updated in September 2012 in their Forbes 400 list(5).

(1) http://www.businessinsider.com/mark-zuckerberg-now-owns-nearly-a-third-of-facebook-2013-2

(2) http://mashable.com/2013/02/14/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-shares/

(3) http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443759504577631854230025164.html

(4) http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ianmcowie/100018850/facebook-founder-mark-zuckerbergs-5-95m-mortgage-posts-an-update-for-us-all/

(5) http://www.forbes.com/profile/mark-zuckerberg/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.67.202.41 (talk) 03:31, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 18 February 2013

173.29.248.237 (talk) 02:20, 18 February 2013 (UTC) HI, THIS IS .I AM CURRENTLY UN ABLE TO MESSAGE ANYONE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY! I DO A LOT OF TRADING AND SEALING ITEMS. I GUESS WHAT I'M DOING IS ASKING YOU IF YOU CAN PLEASE UNBLOCK ME SO THAT I MAY BE ABLE TO MESSAGE AND ADD PEOPLE FROM MY FACE BOOK. I HAVE GOT A DROID PHONE, I HAVE ALWAYS HAD A GENERIC FLIP PHONE, AND I REALLY DON'T KNOW IF I HAD DONE SOMETHING WRONG ON IT TO CAUSE THIS. I AM VERY SORRY! I AM DISABLED AND I WOULD LIKE YOU TO ALLOW ME TO ADD FRIENDS AN MESSAGE FRIENDS A NEW PEOPLE THAT I BUY AN SALE FROM. I AM LEAVING THIS EVENING ON A CRUISE AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO BE IN TOUCH WITH MY FAMILY AND FACE BOOK FAMILY. I DO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. BARBARA FANN

This isn't the place to leave messages for Mark Z. Go to http://facebook.com/help RudolfRed (talk) 03:05, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Untitled

Why do we care that he is Jewish and had his batmitzvah at age 13. Do we know when Meryl Streep was baptized or christened? Do we know when other celbrities had their confirmation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.225.200.133 (talk) 00:31, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

buying more multi million dollar residences

http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/blog/2013/01/facebook-founder-mark-zuckerberg.html http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20693437,00.html http://www.cpexecutive.com/cities/honolulu/howard-hughes-expects-66m-profit-from-one-ala-moana-condominium/

Facebook Inc. founder, chairman & CEO Mark Zuckerberg purchased several multimillion-dollar residences in the upcoming condominium development, the newspaper reports.

He also owns a $7 million mansion in Palo Alto and a luxury penthouse in San Francisco. 98.210.60.236 (talk) 21:33, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Consider for Deletion

This entire entry should be deleted — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.194.183.153 (talk) 00:55, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 October 2013

biatch 89.95.32.108 (talk) 10:39, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. --Stfg (talk) 11:40, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Quick fix to an error (I can't edit)

"has since described himself as an atheist." (Under early life), this should be "has since described himself as atheist."

Atheism is the lack of belief in a deity. Many atheists have different thoughts, and as such cannot be labelled, for example it would be incorrect to point at someone and say they are an atheist, it should be they are atheist. Just a lack of belief, nothing more, nothing less. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.178.66.246 (talk) 02:16, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

 Fixed --Light show (talk) 04:26, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

N "Unfixed". That's nonstandard grammar. The word "atheist" is a noun and requires an article in the sentence in question. (The standard adjectival form is "atheistic".) Rivertorch (talk) 06:26, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Social networking

I think you should get charged to make a page on facebook as a 1 off fee, then it should be free to share it all over facebook then we wouldnt have all these pointless pages — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.254.58.245 (talk) 23:25, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 December 2013

117.204.147.167 (talk) 05:19, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Not done: empty request. Please resubmit your request in the form of "Please change X to Y", providing reliable sources. Thanks, NiciVampireHeart 14:49, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Investment

Could try the World Bank — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.69.249.96 (talk) 22:33, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Philanthropy to Silicon Valley Community Foundation

The same fact (with a different date) is written twice. Can someone fix that? Irbananaking (talk) 04:59, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Vegetarianism Source

The article states that Mark Zuckerberg had been a vegetarian since 2011 and notes his official Facebook page as the source. On his Facebook page the only reference about him being a vegetarian is this one post of him which made him a vegetarian during 2011 if you can say so. He would actually still eat meat if he killed the animal himself. However, this was one of Zuckerberg's year-long challenges he has had in his past. He has noted other challenges on his Facebook page. The source doesn't imply that he has been a vegetarian since 2011. FlorianZemke (talk) 09:48, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Ya, I come here to mention the complete lack of any mention of his killing what he eats, and the wrong information that he is a Vegetarian. In 2011 he ate a lot of meat. And since then I he seems to have given up any kind of strict diet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.61.204.116 (talk) 16:16, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

85.189.121.186 (talk) 12:37, 11 February 2014 (UTC) I ned to edit this because I cannot read the text

Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Jackmcbarn (talk) 21:09, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 February 2014

113.180.122.67 (talk) 08:59, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a change.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 15:44, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Atheism

Mark Zuckerberg is an atheist (he rejects the belief in the existence of deities). That atheism is not a religion itself (an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence). The proper definition under "Religion" would be: None (Previously Judaism). Xnerdz (talk) 06:57, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

 Done XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 14:01, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2014

i know some about him he was a friend 169.244.63.18 (talk) 18:26, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

 Not done please specify what you feel should be added/removed/changed. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 18:33, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 April 2014

188.247.73.115 (talk) 23:25, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 05:53, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 June 2014

i want to see how the page is protected WXMD25 (talk) 14:10, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 14:16, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 08 June 2014

Please add to external links a link to the Business Insider article where Mr. Zuckerberg admits to calling Facebook users "dumb fucks" for trusting him. http://www.businessinsider.com/well-these-new-zuckerberg-ims-wont-help-facebooks-privacy-problems-2010-5 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8:a000:a4e:c19f:298c:9b05:c9bd (talk) 09:55, 8 June 2014‎

Not done: That is a poor summary of the source and the source would not be a good candidate for an external link. If you wanted to add to the appropriate section of the article, you need to provide some NPOV capture of that claim. Something like "In an instant message conversation with a friend while in college, while discussing the fact that users were providing personal information, Zuckerburg, perhaps humorously, called the users 'dumb fucks'." No - wait - summarized fairly it probably is too trivial a detail to be included in the article. Older and ... well older (talk) 14:43, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2014

Izvini Mark nisam te prepozno :(

Čimen power — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.36.193.129 (talk) 21:42, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 July 2014

Please correct his religion in infobox, he is not jew, he is atheist. 182.187.31.48 (talk) 17:13, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

 Done, not sure why it was changed from atheist. SNUGGUMS (talk · contribs) 17:38, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Philanthropy

Unfortunately there seems to be an unusual level of noise on this talk page...

Nevertheless, I want to raise an issue with Zuckerberg being called a philanthropist. All this basically means in his case is that he gives some money to charities, and considering the amount, may also dictate some structure as to the way that money is handled. Ergo, almost every very wealthy person's bio on wiki describes them as a philanthropist.

Does wiki consider it NPOV to describe almost every billionaire on the planet as a philanthropist?

This is clearly not NPOV, and even quite sinister. Wiki should not have an implicit neo-liberal POV.

For instance, if billionaires faced the kind of taxes that the Rockerfellers or Mellon faced, would they still be "philanthropists"? Apart from Bill Gates and a few others, this is not clearly the case. (Even with Gates there are major questions regarding possible corporate bias of e.g. One Foundation, as per relevant wiki pages.)

I am removing philanthropist from his description. I am relabeling the Philanthropy section 'Charitable Works'. The purpose of wiki is not to aggrandize the very wealthy simply for donating relatively small amounts of money to charity.

Clearly these changes need to be made across the board. But I'll start with this bio.

Edit - the article is locked. Please open up discussion here vis a vis making these changes. I will join if necessary to open up discussions on a wider policy. I am firmly of the opinion that the purpose of wiki bios should not be to suck up to the wealthy by calling them all philanthropists simply for making relatively small donations to charity (I think most people donate to charity, and have less left over afterwards than these people - ergo the donations are small). It is not NPOV, it is distasteful, and for a non-profit organization like wikipedia it is quite frankly pathetic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.255.66.157 (talk • contribs)

It could definitely be removed from his description in lead, but Wikipedia standards allow "Philanthropy" sections/subsections as an NPOV feature. Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:51, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

The first point is good to hear, and I think fair. Regarding the second, that's very problematic, since the sum effect of these sections is clearly not, in my opinion, NPOV. For instance, if wiki standards allowed a specific 'Oppression of the Proletariat' section or a specific section for 'Corporate Tax Avoidance' for every relevant bio (beyond criticisms and controversies), it would clearly not be NPOV, and I for one am glad that wiki standards do not allow it, assuming they don't. But the pervading rhetoric of "philanthropy" is every bit as politically and ideologically loaded. I'll try to take this up with wiki standards. Otherwise we should allow a range of other sections/subsections as standard, such as the ones I mentioned.

Again, wiki, as a non-profit org, should not have flawed standards which condemn it to becoming a PR mouthpiece for the world's wealthy - they can manage that quite well already themselves.

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2014

"Zuckerberg's mother has Bulgarian ancestry. He was named after her father, Marco, who emigrated from Bulgaria during the 1940s."

This part of his biography must be deleted for there is absolutely no real proof of it. It is based on a quote from a made-up article in TV India. The online edition has based it's information on a false, satiric materials, published in Bulgaria for 1st of April (April fools day).

Alexmakedonski (talk) 14:15, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

@Alexmakedonski: Can you provide any source for the April Fool's joke? Trying to verify this, I tend to agree with your assessment, but a source to the original April Fool's would put the topic to rest. -- ferret (talk) 16:35, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

In my opinion that's pure bullshit and made up. Stilgar (talk) 09:51, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Is Zuckerberg's grandfather really a Bulgarian immigrant?

The validity of this claim is disputable. I tried to find the original source, but failed. The cited source is a "10 facts about Zuckerberg that you didn't know", which doesn't have enough credibility for me. Can we remove this line until further information is available? Glamdring (talk) 09:32, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 October 2014

117.199.126.209 (talk) 05:19, 12 October 2014 (UTC) sir good morning . & sir i wel come to india ///

Dileep panwar mo. +919982379689

facebook id - dileeppanwarsurayata@gmail.com

mail.id jayambe101@gmail.com

Not done: No request actually made. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 05:25, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2015

223.225.200.175 (talk) 06:38, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

 Not done: No request made. -- 07:09, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi Protected Edit Request on 11th Feb 2015, Mark Zuckerberg is color blind.

Zuckerberg is red-green colorblind, a realization that occurred after a test undertaken around 2007; he explained in 2010: "blue is the richest color for me—I can see all of blue."

For references please refer to and — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quadprof (talk • contribs) 23:05, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

 Not done doesn't seem noteworthy enough for inclusion Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:30, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

The Facebook wiki find it noteworthy to include it there. can you please elaborate Snuggums ?, its a part of his attribute.Quadprof (talk) 01:03, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Color blindness tends to be regarded as a trivial aspect. It's not like, say, being blind in one or both eyes. Unlike fansites, Wikipedia shouldn't go into insignificant details. Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:07, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

I apologize, perhaps I was not being clear earlier. Its a facet of the personality, neither demeaning nor dignifying. There are proper references to the fact. It also explains why the product, this person is popular for, has a dominant color. Can we still consider this trivial ? Shouldn't we infact explain under the facebook section of the wiki why Blue is the dominant color. Snuggums ? In my humble opinion, there are other "fansite" like material on the wiki. But I dont want to digress from the topic at hand. Quadprof (talk) 18:38, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

References

"Most Influential Jews in the World" wrong info

Please note that the 2013 link does NOT list Zuckerberg so that comment should be modified. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.237.142.178 (talk) 19:57, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Removed, sorry for not getting to that sooner. Snuggums (talk / edits) 13:42, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2015

The salary is shown as $1 whereas the source states the base salary to be $500,000 86.179.86.58 (talk) 17:52, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Not done: The source does indeed say that, but that was for 2011 and 2012 - if you look on the bottom of page 31, under Employment Agreements and Offer Letters, it says "We entered into an amended and restated offer letter with Mr. Zuckerberg, our founder, Chairman, and CEO, in January 2012. This offer letter agreement has no specific term and constitutes at-will employment. Mr. Zuckerberg’s annual base salary as of December 31, 2012 was $500,000 and he was eligible to receive annual bonus compensation under our Bonus Plan. On January 1, 2013, Mr. Zuckerberg’s annual base salary was reduced to $1 and he will no longer receive annual bonus compensation under our Bonus Plan. " Cannolis (talk) 20:34, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Where's the "Dumb fucks" episode?

Why is it not displayed in Mark Zuckerberg's article the "Dumb fucks" episode? http://www.businessinsider.com/well-these-new-zuckerberg-ims-wont-help-facebooks-privacy-problems-2010-5?IR=T

Mark Zuckerberg is almost entirely dissociable from Facebook and that episode is relevant to Mark Zuckerberg himself and completely relevant to the pair Mark Zuckerberg<->Facebook and obviously should be included in this article as a description of how he might view the users of his services. I was quite surprised to find that information missing from this article and, apart from Fanboyism or censorship, I can't think of a reason why that is not included in this article.

Probably because it wasn't really seen as a big deal at the time. The link you gave also states that he might not have even been serious. Additionally, it's misleading to say he's "dissociable" from Facebook when he not only founded it but is also an active member. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:44, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Decreasing net worth to 0.45 billion dollars?

According to the statement (ref. https://www.facebook.com/notes/mark-zuckerberg/a-letter-to-our-daughter/10153375081581634?pnref=story) : "We will give 99% of our Facebook shares -- currently about $45 billion -- during our lives to advance this mission." he is not even a billionaire, the article should be updated.

"will" implies it has not happened yet. But you could mention this plan with proper source in section Philanthropy. Gap9551 (talk) 22:32, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Priscilla Chan

This woman is noteworthy enough to have her own article. People come to this website for the most comprehensive information, and it's not here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.184.160 (talk • contribs)

In what way(s) does she meet WP:Notability (people)? Keep in mind that notability isn't inherited, and people need to be noted for more than just family connections to warrant separate articles. Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:30, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Just to inform here, currently an article exists: Priscilla Chan (philanthropist). Gap9551 (talk) 00:02, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Ancestry

Isn't there some German element in the name 'Zuckerberg'? ...Just curious as to his background ancestry.

Unsure about that. Either way, his heritage is not publicly known. Snuggums (talk / edits) 23:05, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Can we please remove "philanthropist"?

"Mark Elliot Zuckerberg (born May 14, 1984) is an American computer programmer, Internet entrepreneur, and philanthropist. "

This looks like a political statement. How about adding "Obama is a... philanthropist" and "Putin is a .. philantropist"? Surely it could apply to any person whose actions we love & support. I vote for removing that from the introduction of Mark Zuckerberg. 18:19, 3 December 2015 (UTC) (incompletely signed by 79.253.55.163)

+1 support --78.52.49.217 (talk) 19:38, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose - Even before Zuckerberg and his wife made the recent headline-grabbing announcement to donate 99% of their wealth ($45 billion), they had already donated or pledged $1.6 billion to charities (see NYT article), making Zuckerberg one of the most generous philanthropists in the world. The comparison with Obama and Putin is nonsensical. Zuckerberg is more in the league of Bill Gates and Warren Buffett, both of which mention philanthropy in the lead. -Zanhe (talk) 06:17, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
• Comment - In 2013, Zuckerberg and his wife were already ranked the most generous American philanthropists. See USA Today. -Zanhe (talk) 06:32, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 December 2015

ad link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chan_Zuckerberg_Initiative + ciriticism that the announced "donation" is "no charity". remove inline text link to https://www.facebook.com/chanzuckerberginitiative/info?tab=page_info (see section https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg#Philanthropy ) or change it into a reflink. thanks 93.143.98.205 (talk) 17:22, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

+1 support --78.52.49.217 (talk) 19:38, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose - see duplicate discussion below. -Zanhe (talk) 06:19, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Sam Sailor ^Talk! 01:41, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Relgion

Isn't he Jewish, as he said in one of his Facebook posts, instead of an atheist? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.190.195.119 (talk) 13:39, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

I get where you're coming from, but he actually was talking about how his parents raised him. Not explicitly identifying as Jewish in the post as far as I can tell. Snuggums (talk / edits) 14:24, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Does it have something to do with where I'm from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.154.80.53 (talk) 14:46, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

No; "I get where you're coming from" is a phrase that means the same thing as "I understand what your basis is" or "I understand why you would think that." Snuggums (talk / edits) 16:30, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

I agree - his statement credits a cultural sensibility, but he has never publicly stated that he is a practitioner of any religion. -Classicfilms (talk) 17:31, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

early life

Mark is NOT an atheist. He believes in god and celebrates Jewish holidays, such as Hanukkah. You can even look at his posts at Facebook as see that he does. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.29.0.196 (talk • contribs)

You have not provided examples to support this. Additionally, I don't see any definitive proof for this assertion when looking through his page. Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:44, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

תקשיב לי ותקשיב לי טוב. מארק (מאיר) הוא יהודי. שאלתי אותו בעצמי. לא תוכל להימנע מהעובדות. לא אכפת לי שלא תבין מילה, את נקודתי הבהרתי. do google translate if you want — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.29.0.196 (talk) 20:33, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Alma mater

The last institution Mark Zuckerberg graduated from is his high school, Phillips Exeter Academy. Hence, shouldn't the high school be listed under his alma mater in his biography column, in addition to Harvard University (dropped out)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ey2975 (talk • contribs) 05:39, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

My understanding is that the "alma mater" parameter is used for colleges rather than high schools, and high schools tend not to be considered Infobox-worthy. Snuggums (talk / edits) 05:47, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Networth Update

As this article is safe-locked , I'm going to address this in the comment section, the networth needs an update, last entry covered data from December of 2015. As of mid April 2016, Mr. Zuckerberg's most recent personal wealth is valued at $50 billion. Somebody with editing rights / privileges needs to honor this update. source e.g.: http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/ceos/mark-zuckerberg-net-worth/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.135.153.174 (talk) 19:01, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

 Not done Celebrity Net Worth is dubious at best and has repeatedly been rejected as a source within articles Snuggums (talk / edits) 19:42, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

How is the site "dubios" ? by whose /what standards is that a qualified statement !? Anyways, not here to tout that site, but Forbes realtime (Forbes is generally very conservative with its ratings for fortunes and net worths) currently lists Zuckerberg at $48.2 bn. So if Forbes isn't also "dubious" by your standards, an update is still due. Greetings.

from germany.  http://www.forbes.com/profile/mark-zuckerberg/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.135.158.131 (talk) 04:31, 19 April 2016 (UTC) 

 Done Forbes is much more credible than Celebrity Net Worth, so I've implemented that. Snuggums (talk / edits) 05:11, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, or as Palpatine would put it " Goooooood ! " ;) greetings from germany. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.135.134.148 (talk) 05:02, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Dueling donations

Under the heading "Philanthropy", the third paragraph states "On December 9, 2010, Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, and investor Warren Buffett signed a promise they called 'The Giving Pledge', in which they promised to donate to charity at least half of their wealth over the course of time, and invited others among the wealthy to donate 50% or more of their wealth to charity." However, since Zuckerberg and Chan have subsequently pledged to put 99% of their Facebook stock into the "Chan Zuckerberg Initiative" LLC, they clearly can no longer abide by their earlier pledge, since 99% of their assets are going to an LLC, not a charity. Consequently, that section needs to be rewritten, or to have it spelled out that they can no longer abide by "The Giving Pledge". Bricology (talk) 04:28, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Defining "philanthropy"

In its broadest definition, "philanthropy" simply means "the love of mankind", but the way in which the word is most commonly understood, there are more specific and stringent parameters. Most commonly, it means to give something of value for the benefit of others who have less, at one's own expense. Doing so usually entails donating money or other liquid, tangible assets, to a charitable organization. There is no doubt that Zuckerberg and Chan have done this in the past. However, it has been argued in many reputable media outlets (The New York Times, The New Yorker, etc.) that the "Chan-Zuckerberg Initiative" does not qualify as philanthropy. The assets they are promising to gradually transfer into it will remain under their control, there are no regulations requiring them to ever actually disburse any assets, and indeed, an LLC such as they have formed, can and often does produce a profit, which again, is under no obligation to be spent. Unless and until any Facebook stock that has been transferred to the CZI is actually sold and the money is spent on public-benefit projects, it simply does not qualify as a philanthropy and therefore, it does nothing in practical terms to advance Zuckerberg's philanthropy. And somewhere amidst all of the PR and praise, it seems to have been forgotten that a 32 year-old promising to transfer 99% of his stock to another entity over the course of his lifetime, is something less than a sure thing. Lest we forget the historical trajectories of social media networks: SixDegrees.com, founded in 1997, was worth $125 million at its peak and was defunct by 2001, Friendster, founded in 2002 was worth $53 million at its peak and by 2005 -- squat, MySpace, founded in 2003 was worth $1.6 billion in 2006 and not 2% of that in 2012, and Bebo, founded in 2005 was worth $850 million in 2008 and was bankrupt 5 years later. No social media network has ever held its value for even a decade, so the notion that Facebook stock is going to even hold its value over ten years, much less "a lifetime", is ahistorical in the extreme. Consequently, a cynic might be tempted to see Zuckerberg and Chan's "gift" as something less than golden, and something more akin to a public relations campaign and tax shelter. Bricology (talk) 05:13, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 June 2016

Once at college, Zuckerberg's Facebook started off as just a "Harvard thing" until Zuckerberg decided to spread it to other schools, enlisting the help of roommate Dustin Moskovitz. They began with Columbia, New York University, Stanford, Dartmouth, Cornell, Penn, Brown, and Yale. Samir Laine, a triple jumper representing Haiti at the 2012 Summer Olympics, shared a room with Zuckerberg during Facebook's founding. "Mark was clearly on to great things," said Laine, who was Facebook's fourteenth user.

37.8.76.26 (talk) 09:39, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

 Not done it's not entirely clear what change(s) you feel should be made Snuggums (talk / edits) 13:40, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Similarity

I think this posting should be removed, it appears to be similar to someone else's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.128.217.1 (talk) 08:10, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Hometown

This page lists his hometown as White Plains, NY, but his Facebook page lists it as Dobbs Ferry, NY CasualStructure (talk) 14:03, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 September 2016

"Together with his college roommates and fellow Harvard University students Eduardo Saverin, Andrew McCollum, Dustin Moskovitz, and Charles Manson" Charles Manson, Aka, the serial killer, did not work with Mark Zuckerberg on facebook.

Latskap (talk) 23:16, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Done Reverted the vandalism. RudolfRed (talk) 00:41, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Politics (FWD.us section)

Protests of ads funded by FWD.us are mentioned in the second paragraph, but Zuckerberg launching FWD.us is not mentioned until the fourth paragraph, producing confusing ordering of events.

Heavy focus on Keystone oil drilling ads, could incorporate other campaigns - especially more recent ones such as immigration reform efforts in current election cycle. Kellyshen621 (talk) 15:42, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

An RFC is going on that affects this page

Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg withdrew from Harvard, and we display that fact in the education field in the infobox, please come to Talk:Joe Clark to see if we will be removing institutions from infoboxes when the person withdraws or drops out. The decision will affect this biography. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 00:23, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Personal Wealth

The number in the info box requires an update, as of mid January 2017 Mr. Zuckerberg's personal fortune has increased and stands at $53.6 billion. Source : http://www.forbes.com/profile/mark-zuckerberg/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.135.156.91 (talk) 03:24, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

 Done thank you for pointing that out Snuggums (talk / edits) 04:23, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Richest

Mark Zuckerberg is the 6th richest person in the world. Not the 5th richest. Jeff Bozos founder of Amazon.com he is the 5th Richest person in the world. With an estimate 71.8 billion USD. Chinakat168 (talk) 20:18, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Land in Hawaii

In the section called "Legal controversies," I added a subsection called "Hawaiian land ownership controversy" with the following content:

• In January 2017, it was reported that Zuckerberg's lawyers had filed eight "quiet title and partition" lawsuits against hundreds of native Hawaiians to try to get them to sell their land to him. This land is contained within the 700 acres of land in the Hawaiian island of Kauai that Zuckerberg had purchased in in 2014. However, it was also reported that Hawaiian land ownership law differs from that of the other 49 states, and Zuckerberg said that media reports about his actions in this incident have been "misleading."

Someone else removed the content and commented "Not relevant to section; no controversies involved."

I am interested in hearing what other editors think about including or not including this content.

Thank you.

Bk33725681 (talk) 23:30, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

@Bk33725681: There's certainly controversy involved, given that the suit had to be withdrawn after opposition. I restored the content, feel free to update it with new information. HaEr48 (talk) 04:51, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

References

Typo in 2nd paragraph

Zuckerberg's last name is misspelled in the 2nd paragraph. Sorry my Wikipedia ediquette is probably poor but hopefully someone will read this and fix it.

 Done thanks for pointing that out; it's now spelled correctly Snuggums (talk / edits) 05:35, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Center for Talented Youth

I recall that Zuckerberg was in the Center for Talented Youth as a grade schooler. There is no mention of it in this article, and I would like to be accurate before editing. Does anybody know when exactly was he in the program, and for how long? Heaviside glow (talk) 21:20, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

CNN simply states he went there without giving a timeframe, and I so far can't seem to find anything viable on when. Not sure if it's worth including without such detail. Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:25, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

It has been mentioned by multiple secondary sources such as bio pieces of Zuckerberg and write-ups of the Center for Talented Youth, so it is inappropriate for us to decide to not include it. Heaviside glow (talk) 22:38, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

A book of faces and Match.com

If facebook is primarily a collection of compatable people then surely there is a large overlap into match.com

People especially in the more ancient cultures would hang around with the same old faces for generations

Should ask the wife

Best Regards

Darren Mark Horton

86.145.188.142 (talk) 15:04, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

If you're suggesting that some sort of comparison to Match.com should be included in the article, then I'm not sure where a good place for that would be. Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:26, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 March 2017

Add his affiliation to technology student association formally AIASA American Industrial Arts Student Association

Mark Zuckerberg - Facebook founder and past member of New York TSA Oreoguy29 (talk) 18:14, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 23:32, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

citizenship

should we have a section on his renouncement of US citizenship and becoming Swiss? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2C1:C100:D29A:55ED:8E33:5ADC:2E0F (talk) 13:58, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

See WP:HOAX and WP:FAKE -- ChamithN (talk) 14:01, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2017

I noticed that at the beginning there is a detailed phonetic IPA transcription (/mɑɹk_ˈɛli̯ət ˈzʌkʰɚbɚg/) of Mark Zuckerberg's name. It is too detailed to be understood by a layperson and is unnecessary because his name is easily pronounceable. I suggest that we remove the IPA transcription and do not replace it because it is unnecessary and overtechnical. Jaspertalwani (talk) 01:06, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

 Done you bring up a good point, so I've removed it Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:48, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Vandalism alert

Please check this edit by this user, which alters Zuckerberg's name throughout. 86.190.194.4 (talk) 09:52, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

 Already done — IVORK _Discuss 12:13, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Bar/Bat Mitzvah

Mark had a 'Bar' mitzvah, for her is a male, not a female, whom have a 'Bat' mitzvah - in the 'Early Years' section.

74.92.228.249 (talk) 21:37, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

 Done thanks for pointing out the error; I've fixed it accordingly Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:39, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

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Receiving honourary doctorate degree

I came upon this article from the Harvard Gazette that says that today (May 25 2017) he received an honourary doctorate's degree from Harvard. I think this should see addition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xetotrius (talk • contribs)

 Done I've added this into the article. Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:58, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

References

"Palo Alto, California — the home of Silicon Valley"

The city uses the word "birthplace" rather than "home."[3] But even that is promotional material from the city. It makes no sense to locate "Silicon Valley" in one city when there are high-profile computer technology companies headquartered in at least half the cities around the SF bay (ask.com in Oakland, Twitter in downtown San Francisco, Uber in Daly City, Oracle in Redwood Shores, eBay & others in San Jose). Please just say Palo Alto. 24.7.14.87 (talk) 22:03, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

 Done Simplified to "...in Silicon Valley..." This is a more grammatical phrasing and removes the puffery inherent in declaring a city the "home of" Silicon Valley. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 15:21, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

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Authored any scientific papers?

The article does not list any published works, including scientific papers, by Mark Zuckerberg, either on computer science or any topic. Is that correct, he never authored any and just went straight into commercial research and development? I've asked a similar question on the Bill Gates and Steve Jobs talk pages, as they also have no scientific papers listed in their articles, but Gates does have two books listed. 5Q5 (talk) 17:00, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

He dropped out of Harvard before receiving an undergraduate degree. I would expect that he hasn't authored any papers. Power~enwiki (talk) 19:54, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2017

He transferred to the exclusive private school Phillips Exeter Academy, in New Hampshire, in his junior year, where he won prizes in science (math, astronomy, and physics) and classical studies. The Academy produced a popular annual booklet with students’ photographs, dorms, and hometowns which was known on campus as the facebook. In his youth...

Source: Me, a former student, and virtually any other alum, including naturally Zuckerberg himself. Schouler (talk) 15:40, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

If you're suggesting that the above text after "classical studies" should be inserted, then we need an accessible citation (i.e. book, magazine, newspaper, URL) to support it. This also seems like it would be better for the Facebook article if it served as the site's namesake. Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:57, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Portrait edit request

Request to change Mark Zuckerbergs's portrait to the left of his wikipedia page to the following image: http://www.nimble.news/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/zuckerberg_lizard_people-777x437.png Jhoward10 (talk) 22:00, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

 Not done this isn't the place for humor, so obviously edited pictures with joke features like that are inappropriate for a site that is supposed to be a professional encyclopedia. Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:03, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Advert

The intro section of this article totally reads like an advertisement and omits all Zuckerberg's controversies (fake news, legal stuff, privacy matters, his dress, etc.). Rather than just summing and lauding his achievements ("Forbes' World's Most Powerful," his net worth, etc.) it should describe his impact from a neutral point of view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Historybuff18 (talk • contribs) 02:30, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

There's a sentence in the lead stating "Zuckerberg was involved in various legal disputes brought by others in the group, who claimed a share of the company based upon their involvement during the development phase of Facebook", so not all legal stuff is left out. If you have specific suggestions on what else should be included (i.e. certain times when site spread fake news), then feel free to mention them here. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:39, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

wow — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.194.10.30 (talk) 07:06, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Mark Zuckerberg is the youngest commencement speaker at Harvard

Hi Everyone,

Over the course of Harvard's 380-years as an educational institution, it is believed that Mark Zuckerberg is the youngest person to ever mount the podium to deliver a commencement speech at Harvard. This is a rare attainment and I believe it should be included in his biography. Thanks. Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/05/26/annotated-mark-zuckerbergs-harvard-speech-really-said/; https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/05/25/mark-zuckerberg-tells-harvard-grads-that-automation-will-take-jobs-and-its-up-to-millennials-to-create-more/; https://techcrunch.com/2017/05/25/mark-zuckerberg-harvard/ etc

Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2017

86.19.138.189 (talk) 02:23, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

He was also depicted in South Park.

Are you suggesting that should be added into the article? Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:19, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

wealth figure update.

as of november 4th Mr. Zuckerbergs personal networth is at $74.2 bn. last figure in the infobox was from september, so an update is needed. source Forbes : https://www.forbes.com/profile/mark-zuckerberg/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:908:B44:D60:B4B2:9C3D:8245:FAD0 (talk) 05:40, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

 Done I've updated accordingly, and that link was already included in his page. Snuggums (talk / edits) 23:58, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2017

Change "In January 2017, Zuckerberg filed eight "quiet title and partition" lawsuits against hundreds of native Hawaiians to get them to sell their land to him." to "In January 2017, Zuckerberg filed eight "quiet title and partition" lawsuits in Hawaii in order to find and pay all of the partial owners of the land he had been sold by the land's majority owners."

Here is the source: https://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/10103427714244971?pnref=story

If Zuckerberg's own statement of his intent and action is not reliable, then "to get them to sell their land to him" should be removed because it is a contentious opinion oh his intent.

198.241.217.31 (talk) 21:36, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

 Not done. You were supposed to include a reliable source with your request. CityOfSilver 21:44, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

To endorse CityOfSilver's comment, the emphasis here is on "reliable". Please read Identifying Reliable Sources before re-asking for such an edit. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 00:19, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2018

Alien

There are MANY theories out there that state that Mark Zuckerberg is, in fact, an alien. Mark Zuckerberg covers up his laptop's webcam and microphone so that the FBI can't watch him take off his human skin. Evidence of this includes a picture of the Zucc walking his dog, but his legs are bent forward. This would indicate that the aliens that made him accidentally messed up his knee joints so that they bend the wrong way. Give me da zucc (talk) 12:32, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Not done: No actionable request. Spintendo      12:40, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2018

 SAT score 

I have recently found out that Mark Zuckerberg got a perfect score on his SAT exams, and thought that it should be added to his page. --Murdinbann (talk) 12:18, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 12:21, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2018

This line under the heading 'Early Life' is improperly phrased. At 13 years of age, Jewish children do not 'become' a Bar Mitzvah, but rather, they 'have' one.

'Zuckerberg was raised Jewish and became a Bar Mitzvah when he turned 13.'

Please fix this absurd error, as it is disturbing my peace of mind as well as offending my cultural sensitivities. 82.108.129.154 (talk) 12:32, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

 Done Iffy★Chat -- 12:41, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Zuckerberg hacking into reporters email accounts

This seems important to add, I don't have much experience writing on a high traffic BLP, would appreciate it if someone could take a look.

• http://www.businessinsider.com/how-mark-zuckerberg-hacked-into-the-harvard-crimson-2010-3/?IR=T
• https://www.thecrimson.com/flyby/article/2010/3/10/connectu-facebook-accounts-hacking/

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 17:38, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Testimony neutrality questions

"Facebook a big contributor to the committees in Congress that will question Mark Zuckerberg" by Herb Jackson, USA Today, April 4, 2018.

"Redditor gives a long and detailed breakdown of how Russia has infiltrated Facebook and how Zuckerberg is personally connected to the oligarchs" by /u/Puffin_Fitness, Reddit, March 2018.

Both of those need to be summarized. 75.171.252.216 (talk) 17:35, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Net Worth

Instead of referencing random articles online, just use Forbes' real-time net worth feature https://www.forbes.com/profile/mark-zuckerberg/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheoreticallyInsane (talk • contribs) 07:59, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

School graduation

Did he graduate from his high school? I see a lot of misinformation about billionaires who "didn't finish school" and I find it unlikely that he would have got into university without having graduated from school first. DavidFarmbrough (talk) 23:41, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Of course he did Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:25, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2018

mark zuckerburk steals all your private information Mashpatato pineaple (talk) 07:26, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

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Can somebody PLEASE change his photo to the one of him drinking water?

I think the image is really funny and it's still a serious image of him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tin Can (talk • contribs) 18:41, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

 Not done Wikipedia articles aren't the place for laughs, and that pic is probably copyrighted anyway. Snuggums (talk / edits) 19:07, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 May 2018

216.74.238.218 (talk) 13:53, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Mark Zuckerberg, created facebook in his collage Harvard dorm.

That is already noted within the article. Snuggums (talk / edits) 14:02, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 July 2018

Change: "In January 2017, Zuckerberg filed eight "quiet title and partition" lawsuits against hundreds of native Hawaiians to get them to sell their land to him. This land is contained within the 700 acres of land in the Hawaiian island of Kauai that Zuckerberg had purchased in 2014. " To: "In January 2017, Zuckerberg filed eight "quiet title and partition" lawsuits against hundreds of native Hawaiians to make sure that smaller partial owners got paid for their fair share of the 700 acres of land in the Hawaiian island of Kauai that Zuckerberg had purchased in 2014." Citation: https://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/10103427714244971 or https://www.theverge.com/2017/1/19/14327854/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-hawaii-kauai-property-lawsuits 2601:647:4900:A261:7D62:38C5:6ABF:EA33 (talk) 06:43, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

 Partly done We can't use the Facebook link, that's a primary source. I do think that sentence needs amending as it's not neutral, but your wording goes too far the other way so will do that now. Fish+Karate 13:10, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 July 2018

This sentence in the summary at the top:

After the group began expanding the company across college campuses, it expanded rapidly, reaching one billion users by 2012.

Is a mess, change to:

Originally launched to select college campuses, the site expanded rapidly and eventually beyond select campuses, reaching one billion users by 2012. Bbqroast (talk) 04:39, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done, with some small changes. Gulumeemee (talk) 07:13, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 September 2018

110.38.229.11 (talk) 07:23, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ChamithN (talk) 08:06, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

"Philanthropy"

It's very cynical to call something philanthropy which in reality means tax write-offs, PR activities and lobbyism. Not everybody falls for it. [[4]] -- 2003:E2:AF13:C83E:9073:3E6:3293:68C5 (talk) 07:41, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Can someone please defend calling Mark Zuckerberg a "philanthropist"? I do not think he is known for being a philanthropist, nor that most people believe he is one, and the cited articles don't defend this statement either. I'm fine with the opening paragraph, but I support removing "and philanthropist" unless there is a good argument in favor of keeping it. Alexgleason (talk) 20:15, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

"technology entrepreneur"

He is not a technology entrepreneur, nor is Facebook a technology company. It uses technology, just as a store or media company does. It does not create technology.

Facebook is an advertising company whose business model is based on surveillance and exploitation of billions of people's data. It constantly mines the data of those with accounts and those without, the latter by 'shadow profiles' which tie web, app and communication usage to personal devices. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.175.56.112 (talk) 04:18, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 January 2019

175.139.252.245 (talk) 03:13, 8 January 2019 (UTC)HE is a lizard person

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earlier inspiration for Facebook may have come....

Looking to Mark_Zuckerberg#Facebook;

I'm sorta surprised this section points to the Exeter Academy's "Facebook" as possible inspiration for Facebook, but not HarvardConnection. Was this an oversight or an intentional choice? NickCT (talk) 17:56, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

No controversies in lede?

Is there a reason none of Zuckerberg's controversies have made it into the lede? It features prominently in the body and certainly is WP:DUE. The lawsuits, facebook controversies, and privacy concerns all have significant secondary source coverage. ModerateMike729 (talk) 17:14, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Struck comment from confirmed sockpuppet ModerateMikayla555/ModerateMike729. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Darryl.jensen/Archive § 07 July 2019. — Newslinger talk 13:24, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Alma mater infobox.

He had studied in Harvard University and therefore is automatically an alma mater of the University. Someone doesn't have to get a degree from a institution to be an alma mater of it as long as they have legally and ethically entered the institute. Then also it's a matter of controversy and debate.

As Mark had studied there and only left at the end of his sophomore year, it will be rather foolish to take away his status as being an alma mater of Harvard. SoloKnowHow83 (talk) 15:24, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

When calling a place one's Alma mater implies graduating/getting a degree from there, it's misleading to say Harvard is Zuck's Alma mater. That's like saying a non-US citizen taking a month-long vacation to the country makes them an American. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 16:54, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Anti-FB conspiracies

Why people think he's an Alien reptilian?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.210.157.225 (talk) 08:25, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Air Hasit's Quote Incorrect

The quote is not a direct quotation from the referenced article. It should be changed from "We had books called Face Books, which included the names and pictures of everyone who lived in the student dorms. At first, he built a site and placed two pictures or pictures of two males and two females. Visitors to the site had to choose who was "hotter" and according to the votes there would be a ranking." to "We had books called Face Books, which included the names and pictures of everyone who lived in the student dorms. At first, he built a site and placed two pictures, or pictures of two males and two females. Visitors to the site had to choose who was 'hotter' and according to the votes there would be a ranking."

🤟 Agpyaephyo334 (talk) 03:20, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Religious beliefs

He claims that: A precosmic personhood pre-existing within the non-spatiotemporal but pure nothing is possible. The person-god is defined by his personhood has many informational constituents as memories, thus he is not a philosophical simple. Belief - which means certain opinion - is more important than the fact that mereologically the fields of physics are more rigorously defined and testable. Acceptance of the parental metaphysical worldview is kindness. Methodical thought is pure evil because it leads to cosmological antipersonocracy. 1. personhood might occur in actual nothing, without social interactions and other persons (see the example of god), 2. everything within the universe happens for a reason understood and beneficial towards at least one personhood, 3. personhood is more fundamental than the Universe even if it requires more fundamental constituents which occupy many shannons; Bertrand Russell and metalogic are less important than magic, 4. at least one personhood created the Universe, 5. soothing opinions understood by persons are closer to truth than data, facts and mathematics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2149:8402:5000:247C:A69A:480D:45DB (talk) 01:11, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

he hates the documentary series "Before the Big Bang 4 on YouTube" and all the other episodes, because it is about cosmological antipersonocracy (he wants to come closer to his family; they don't understand physics, he does but he makes that sacrifice)

Philanthropy Section

Why is "On August 28, 2017, Chan and Zuckerberg announced the birth of their second daughter." in the Philanthropy section?--Adamilo (talk) 05:27, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 October 2019

Sahil0077 (talk) 07:43, 11 October 2019 (UTC)https://www.myarticlelibrary.cf/2019/10/leaked-transcripts-of-mark-zuckerbergs.html

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Majority Votes / Minority Economic Interest

There is literally no mention in this article about how Mark Zuckerberg leads a PUBLICLY-TRADED company and yet has absolute command over it, and doesn't even own a majority of the economic shares. He doesn't have to listen to the board because they can't fire him. He doesn't have to listen to investors. The vast majority of publicly-traded corporations in America don't operate like this. Isn't this like maybe an important piece of information, given most American's 401K is probably invested in this half a trillion dollar company? Major investors have complained about this; for example, check this story out.DonCucos (talk) 06:59, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

One-dollar salary

I think the one-dollar salary in the infobox is highly misleading. It's technically correct, but it reads like he's some benevolent saint working for no compensation whatsoever. It's a financial/PR stunt that has no place in the infobox. 31.210.180.229 (talk) 07:20, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Facebook is an internet company, not a technology company

It is rather an advertising/media internet company that makes use of technology (like most companies do). So Zuckerberg is a internet entrepreneur. Is this a better description for the lead? Technology makes me think of other things.DonCucos (talk) 05:51, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

I see what you mean with technology company referring to things like Microsoft and Apple that design the technology, and have changed the opening sentence accordingly. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 20:35, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

I disagree. Zuckerberg's companies do some technology development - he owns Oculus VR that produces tech gear, his other company Facebook is developing own cryptocurrency Libra (cryptocurrency) and has patented facial recognition technologies, etc. Saying that he is simply an online entrepreneur is incorrect IMHO. 21:25, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

But the vast majority of his business is in advertising. The rest seems incidental. A true technology company in my opinion survives through technical innovation. Even Google's claims of innovation by putting its cash pile to use are flimsy given most of it is secret and proprietary. The purest technology company is probably vc-backed ones that survive based on the viability of their novel technology. Facebook seems to be consistently an advertising company that allows users a degree of expression within the website (that's the media part).DonCucos (talk) 23:31, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Mark is the owner of the Lizard People — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheRealMarkZucAburg (talk • contribs) 07:26, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

The best replacement for "technology entrepreneur" would be "advertising and social media executive" in my opinion.DonCucos (talk) 04:00, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

One more thing, the M.O. of acquisition (and even just copying) that FB currently does is literally the *opposite* of entrepreneurship. Yet it says the fellow is an entrepreneur. DonCucos (talk) 04:51, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

I hope you are not arguing that information technology is not technology! Because both Facebook and Google are definitely and undoubtedly IT companies. — kashmīrī ^TALK 17:11, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Is a movie encoded in a digital codec "media" or "information technology" to you? Wikipedia is written for the public, not for those with a perspective based on what happens on the "back end". Facebook and Google deliver self and commercially-produced media, paid for by advertising, with nifty tools on top for the "user". Their fundamental business is in the advertising (that's where the money is). IMO "Technology" is too vague these days and these businesses have matured enough to where we clearly know what their major function is. Are we going to start calling McDonald's a technology company because they replace their cashiers with machines? Was Avicii a musician or a technology entrepreneur (he used lots of computers!). Is EVERYTHING a technology company now? Help, am I going crazy?DonCucos (talk) 18:21, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Well, I agree that meaning of "technology" is quite blurred these days, but equally I need to stress that we are here not in order to invent new meanings to words. Facebook and Google have been described by myriads of reliable sources as "IT companies" and we have no choice but to stick to this description. I also don't agree with your focus on funding sources. The primary role of Facebook is to facilitate social interaction. How it funds its operations is secondary. It may equally well sell personal data, rent server space, live off patent royalties - but as long as it remains a social network, it should continue to be described as an IT company. Otherwise you will need to describe CNN, ABC, CNS etc. not as television stations but as "advertising businesses". — kashmīrī ^TALK 19:48, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Right, but we don't call cable TV stations "technology companies". It seems like the "Tech Co." moniker is haphazardly used as a pronoun for generic rich & complicated corporate entities incorrectly thought to be ineffable. Also, failed companies are not described as "tech companies"...for example, go take a look over at the Yahoo wikipedia page. Everyone wants to be a "technology company" but it's such a horrible term in my opinion.DonCucos (talk) 00:03, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

You need to go back to the 1990s - this is when we saw companies being created whose core business was not the traditional manufacturing, goods trade or service but which focused on information processing - adopting then new technologies to store and process information. Hence the generic term information technology company and, further, IT business. These days even a java programmer is called an "IT specialist" and you can't help it, you need to go with the flow and accept the terms that all the sources use, however you rebel against the word "technology". — kashmīrī ^TALK 10:26, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

I go back to thinking about the 90s all the time. I think people would have been more likely to call out the esoteric nonsense we call things today. "Data Science" = Business Analytics. I'm too lazy to come up with more.DonCucos (talk) 02:18, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes I know and agree, every fricking nonsense is now called "science" and "technology". Writing software code is now called "doing computer science", lol. But that's what the sources call "science" and "IT technology" these days. — kashmīrī ^TALK 12:55, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Since we seem to agree then that our sources that form the foundational diction of these topics are absolute s***, maybe Wikipedia should have its own press arm. A "public option", if you will. God, these companies have such a corrupting influence on the zeitgeist of today. Someday people will look back on how we willingly dumbed ourselves down because shiny apps falsely presented themselves as enlightenment. We can't even properly describe them. How f'ing sad.DonCucos (talk) 02:45, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

 : Unfortunately Wikipedia is there not to publish the truth but to report on what other public sources say. This is known to be a pain in the a** in political topics (WP amplifying propaganda tubes) but now I see it also sucks in areas like informatics or business. But I see no easy way out. — kashmīrī ^TALK 08:27, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

I'd wager the more reliable sources more frequently refer to Zuckerberg as primarily a social media executive who earns money through advertising rather than a "technology entrepreneur". It's not like I'm trying to give him a less-flattering title. It's just more accurate to call him an advertising and social media executive.DonCucos (talk) 00:37, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Instead of drifting too far off into complaints about source limitations or faults, we should opt for something that gives the most fitting description of Zuck. Remember a key part of being reliable is that a source must overall be known to give accurate details, the more the better. Keep in mind what can or cannot be trusted for facts, and let that guide us to finding something ideal. The question then becomes what reference(s) will be the best to use here. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 02:13, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Someone changed it to internet entrepreneur with a link to a large and well-documented page, so I think that's the best thing. It's consistent across Wiki and links to a large number of other internet entrepreneurs.DonCucos (talk) 04:51, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Facebook Fan Club?

This whole article is gratuitously biased!

--200.68.142.40 (talk) 17:52, 14 February 2020 (UTC) Baden k.

Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2020

Hello, Wikipedia editors! I would like to add information regarding the theory that Mark Zuckerberg is the great, mythological lizard-man that heads our society under reverence, love, and respect. I would appreciate it if you considered this edit in one of the sections. Thanks! Valkoorsky18 (talk) 19:02, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

​That would require some very significant coverage from reliable sources, see WP:UNDUE. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:19, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2020

2409:4052:2EA0:12E2:A1BA:3C1D:5D20:F99F (talk) 07:04, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

This information is wrong sir

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:19, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Wrong Caption

The picture of Zuckerberg and Medvedev wrongly describes the latter as "President". It should be "Prime Minister" which was his function at the stated time of the meeting in October 2012.Nfr-Maat (talk) 05:14, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2020

change Net Worth in Infobox to 97.5 Billion $ as per the latest source 2402:3A80:10DE:A119:C596:A8E2:E9A7:54ED (talk) 06:16, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

 Done The source must have updated the data so I put $98.6 billion in the infobox. Interstellarity (talk) 13:40, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2020

Change "announced they was expecting" to "they were expecting". This can be found under Personal life. Miner5601 (talk) 16:28, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

 Done thank you for pointing out that grammatical error. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 17:02, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Political Views

Hello ZimZalaBim. The section on political views mentions Zuckerburg's support for undocumented immigrants, his participation in an LGBT Pride parade, sympathy for Muslims, support for Black Lives Matter, and opposition to Trump's immigration order banning immigration from certain Muslim majority countries. Certainly, this is enough evidence to conclude that the statement that Zuckerburg has not expressed political views is false. Display name 99 (talk) 04:43, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

I agree. It clearly shows that he is a far-left extremist and explains why Facebook is so censorious and anti-free speech. Facebook even considers opposition to illegal immigration to be "hate speech," so since his personal political views have such a strong influence on Facebook, then they should be documented in the article.

Honorary doctorate

Please note that Mark received an honorary doctorate from Havard in 2017. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.197.100.142 (talk) 23:07, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Missing categories about his ancestry

The page claims that his ancestors were from Austria and Poland, but these categories are missing: [[Category: American people of Austrian descent]] [[Category: American people of Polish descent]] --62.165.250.92 (talk) 17:28, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Not "missing"; those aren't included because they aren't very prominent traits for him. See WP:Overcategorization#Non-defining characteristics for more details. Something being verifiable doesn't necessarily mean it's worth adding categories for. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 18:01, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Where is the 'Talk'? Nearly all of it has been deleted?

See subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.172.182.231 (talk) 19:39, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Prodigy?

'The New Yorker noted that by the time Zuckerberg began classes at Harvard in 2002, he had already achieved a "reputation as a programming prodigy."'

(1) He could write basic programs. This does not constitute being a 'programming prodigy. Many, many people can do this by their teens. (2) The vague reference to the New Yorker is not properly cited. (3) The New Yorker is not, in any case, a reliable source for programming competence. If he was truly competent, let alone good, there should be far more reliable sources. (4) His programming contribution to Facebook was to take someone else's code and modify it. While this requires basic competence it is not even vaguely indicative of 'prodigy' status. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.172.182.231 (talk) 19:47, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2021

202.142.123.213 (talk) 04:25, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

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 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ◎ | melecie | t 05:19, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at Template talk:Infobox person#Deprecating the net worth parameter?

 You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Infobox person#Deprecating the net worth parameter?.  Spy-cicle💥  ^Talk? 19:03, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 July 2021

His networth is 128.2 Billion FridgeArctic1 (talk) 18:02, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:13, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Adding education parameter to infobox

My edit [5] adding the education parameter was reverted. Zuckerberg attending Harvard is very relevant to his notability, it is mentioned in the lead and there is a whole subsection on his college years. A similar occurrence of education being used can be seen at Bill Gates. I would be open to using Alma mater if thats more appropriate. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 04:31, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 October 2021

He is dead — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.100.158.60 (talk) 16:48, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

No, Zuck actually hasn't died. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 17:04, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 October 2021

Remove 'philanthropist' from occupation list

Calling Zuckerberg a philanthropist is very clearly biased and disingenuous. 2001:569:F8AA:1900:28C6:2DF9:2EF:DE69 (talk) 05:40, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. This has been discussed a few times – Talk:Mark Zuckerberg/Archive 1#Philanthropist, Talk:Mark Zuckerberg/Archive 2#Has Mark Zuckerberg Really Given any wealth to anyone?, Talk:Mark Zuckerberg/Archive 3#Can we please remove "philanthropist"? ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 06:24, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Philanthropist is this a joke ?? The guy is a billionaire from using people's personal data and establishing control over people's communication is it really "philanthropy" ? --Awkiku (talk) 13:54, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2021

Mark Elliot Zuckerberg (born May 14, 1984) is an American computer technology technologist and computer engineer. He is currently the CEO of the social networking website Facebook. Zuckerberg, along with Andrew McCollum, Dustin Moscovitz and Chris Hughes, started a social networking site called Zuckerberg's Facebook. Zuckerberg is the youngest person in the world to become a self-employed millionaire, according to Forbes magazine.However, a Malayalee youth has come up with a new invention for Facebook. A young man named Vinayachandran, also known as Azeem, who lives on a hilltop in Kilimanoor Pallikkal, Kattuputhussery, Thiruvananthapuram district in Kerala, India, has come up with a Facebook account. The young man says that it is not possible to open a fake account on Facebook with this Aadhaar card number. In other words, using a camera scanner with the bar, qr, and codes of a computer, laptop, or mobile phone, it can scan a person's bar, qr, code, address, details, and open an account on Facebook. He and Mark Zuckerberg are said to be in the process of implementing this new style of planning. Another feature is that he is a computer programmer and also an Internet Entrepreneur. Then he will think about these things in his mind and then he will present such things, which is one of his characteristics. [5] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:3A80:1E68:193C:0:0:0:2 (talk) 10:44, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2021 (2)

Mark Elliot Zuckerberg (born May 14, 1984) is an American computer technology technologist and computer engineer. He is currently the CEO of the social networking website Facebook. Zuckerberg, along with Andrew McCollum, Dustin Moscovitz and Chris Hughes, started a social networking site called Zuckerberg's Facebook. Zuckerberg is the youngest person in the world to become a self-employed millionaire, according to Forbes magazine.However, a Malayalee youth has come up with a new invention for Facebook. A young man named Vinayachandran, also known as Azeem, who lives on a hilltop in Kilimanoor Pallikkal, Kattuputhussery, Thiruvananthapuram district in Kerala, India, has come up with a Facebook account. The young man says that it is not possible to open a fake account on Facebook with this Aadhaar card number. In other words, using a camera scanner with the bar, qr, and codes of a computer, laptop, or mobile phone, it can scan a person's bar, qr, code, address, details, and open an account on Facebook. He and Mark Zuckerberg are said to be in the process of implementing this new style of planning. Another feature is that he is a computer programmer and also an Internet Entrepreneur. Then he will think about these things in his mind and then he will present such things, which is one of his characteristics. [5]and also an Internet Entrepreneur. He then thinks about these things in his mind and then presents such things, which is one of his characteristics. [5] Mark Zuckerberg uck Zuckerberg at the 37th G8 summit in 2011 born Mark Elliot Zuckerberg

May 14, 1984 (age 37) [1] White Plains, New York, U.S.  College Harvard University (no degree) Occupation Computer programmer, Internet entrepreneur Active period 2004– present known Co-Founder of FacebookHome townDobbs Ferry, New York, US assets  US $ 46 billion (December 2015) [2] Title Chairman and CEO Life partner (s) Priscilla Chan (V).  2012) Children Maxima Zuckerberg Relatives Randi Zuckerberg (sister) Website facebook.com/zuck Source Last edited a month ago 2401: 4900: 266B: A1BB: 0: 5B: FC52: A501 Content is available under CC BY-SA 3.0 unless otherwise noted.  Privacy Policy Terms of Use Desktop  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:3A80:1E68:193C:0:0:0:2 (talk) 10:49, 6 November 2021 (UTC) 

Why is the name of the father of Mark Zuckerberg, who was and/or is associated with the Central Intelligence Agency, not listed on the Wikipedia website for Mark Zuckerberg?

Why is the name of the father of Mark Zuckerberg, who was and/or is associated with the Central Intelligence Agency, not listed on the Wikipedia website for Mark Zuckerberg?

As a side note see the following text and the articles Fourth dimension in literature and Talk:Fourth dimension in literature

A person is capable of writing in higher dimensions if the Word is properly defined.

Word (disambiguation) Word (mathematics), an ordered sequence of symbols chosen from a predetermined set or alphabet Word (group theory), a product of group elements and their inverses

Currently for humans, word is more fundamental than mathematics in general because we start with language or words to define anything including axioms. The disambiguation describes Word (mathematics) as: an ordered sequence of symbols chosen from a predetermined set or alphabet

As a simple example consider the following: a person may define rules for writing and/or reading the words such as left to right, top to bottom; however, a person may define the writing and/or reading to be time dependent in which case the person would then be reading or/and writing in four dimensions. Defining additional properties such as vector spaces for directionality allows one to write and/or read, or/and, read and/or write in much higher dimensions than that. Another simple example is to think of words - more fundamental than math - and use color to represent those words. This further expands the ability of a person to conceptualize and possibly even communicate notions without the need to define language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by UniversalHumanTranscendence (talk • contribs) 01:16, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia should make it way easier to upload photos to articles via cellular telephone UniversalHumanTranscendence (talk) 23:29, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

i incorrectly used the term it in the reply above, i should have instead wrote the following: Humans should improve Wikipedia such that uploading photos via cellular telephone is much more user friendly and efficient so average users (meaning Human editors) need not waste time learning how. UniversalHumanTranscendence (talk) 23:35, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Also macintosh is irresponsible by not properly capitalizing the letter i on devices such that that letter could be confused with the letter L UniversalHumanTranscendence (talk) 23:36, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

i will upload an example of a work in progress of an example of writing in higher dimensions shortly UniversalHumanTranscendence (talk) 23:37, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Correction of above suggestion regarding images: images should be easier to upload on talk pages UniversalHumanTranscendence (talk) 23:43, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

improvement to a sentence previously used: Humans should improve Wikipedia such that uploading images to talk pages via cellular telephone is much more user friendly and efficient so average users (meaning Human editors) need not waste time learning how. UniversalHumanTranscendence (talk) 00:56, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

i am trying to upload my photo, however the photo, taken by my iPhone13, is in my iPhone13 and there is no user friendly way to upload the image via the mobile version of Wikipedia. When i transfer the photo to my MacBook Pro and upload the photo to Wikipedia via Wikipedia Commons, the photo is then of such low quality that a person can barely even see that the writing was done on paper… UniversalHumanTranscendence (talk) 02:57, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Clothing

There need's to be a section about the Zuck's choice of clothing. 178.202.82.89 (talk) 22:05, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

What value would that add? It seems like trivia and not worth including per WP:NOTNEWS. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 22:07, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Inclusion of alma mater parameter in infobox

@SNUGGUMS: @Viriditas: This issue has been a contention for a little while now. I support inclusion of the alma mater parameter and it should read "Harvard University (dropped out)". Zuckerberg's time at Harvard was an extremely influential time of his life and is significant to the way his life has gone, hence his notability. Typically, this parameter is not used for non-graduates, but it can be in certain circumstances. Template:Infobox person when describing the alma mater parameter says it can be used for non graduates in situations like this (They use Bill Gates as an example). Gates in many ways is just like Zuckerberg. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 01:22, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Education is not defined by a degree, and frankly, it never has been. Students attend school for many different reasons, but they don’t always obtain or pursue a degree. That doesn’t mean their educational pursuit is no longer valid. Our categories, for example, are designed to include anyone who has attended a specific school, degree or not. This idea that a lack of degree should not merit inclusion in an infobox is deeply misguided and wrong. Viriditas (talk) 01:25, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

I don't disagree with you on that analysis, but thats the policy over at Template:Infobox person. Non-graduates are supposed to be listed in alma mater. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 01:34, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Just FYI, not a policy, just a recommendation: "It is usually not relevant to include either parameter for non-graduates, but article talk page consensus may conclude otherwise, as perhaps at Bill Gates." Viriditas (talk) 01:40, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

I say policy very loosely, that would be correct and full description of what it says. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 02:04, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Calling Harvard somebody's "alma mater" means they graduated from there, so it's misleading to use that term for Zuck when he actually dropped out. While that was indeed a part of his education before abandoning the college, infobox fields should focus more on places one gets a degree from. I see no point in listing anywhere someone never graduated from (especially when the infobox template frowns upon that). We're better off discussing his time there within article prose instead. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 01:37, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

I’m fairly certain that is wrong. I work on a lot of different biographies, and the sources will often refer to someone’s alma mater, even if they didn’t receive a degree. This is particularly true when it comes to a notable alumni who didn’t receive a degree, but the institution treats them as if they did based solely on attendance. Other exceptions include the practice of academic audit, and experimental schools which offer no degree at all. Another exception that I’ve come across are students who are unable to obtain a degree at their school because that degree does not exist in their field. This often leads to transfers, which does not invalidate their previous attendance. Viriditas (talk) 01:48, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

It seems like the instances you describe are using the term loosely. Since calling somebody an alumnus gives an impression they graduated, the whole "alumni who didn't receive a degree" bit comes off as a paradox. By no means am I saying that being a dropout invalidates the fact that one attended an institution, just that these things aren't worth adding to infobox. It's unnecessary clutter unless they get a degree. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 02:00, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Alma mater is defined as The university, school, or college one formally attended. Merriam Webster has a similar definition. It would be inaccurate to say that you must be a graduate, you just have to attend. I see Zuckerberg's situation as a good example of when you should use this parameter for a non graduate. I wouldn't say the infobox template frowns upon it, it says there are cases when you can. Also, that template, as explained by Viriditas, is just a recommendation. It's not even an official guideline or policy. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 02:04, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

References

When I see or hear "alma mater" used by non-Wikipedians, it more often than not implies they graduated from the place being discussed. Even though using the "education" parameter wouldn't be as risky as "alma mater" for dropouts, I'd rather err on the side of caution by just sticking to institutions one got degrees from. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 02:12, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Would you be ok with compromising on using the education parameter instead of alma mater? Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 02:15, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

While that is preferable to using "alma mater", I still don't see any good reason to add a place Zuck dropped out from to any field. Neither of you (as far as I can tell) have elaborated on how that would benefit the infobox at all. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 02:22, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

It adds something to the infobox that's highly important to Zuckerberg's life. He started Facebook at Harvard, thats a big deal, him going to Harvard is more significant to him than most normal people getting actual degrees from colleges. His time at Harvard is mentioned in the lead and there's an entire subsection about his time in college. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 02:27, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Alma mater means "nourishing mother", and the student is the metaphorical child of the educational institution. Like all good mothers, she doesn’t abandon you or disown you if you don’t live up to your potential or decide to go your own way. The purpose of the infobox is to briefly summarize the most important elements of the article. Harvard was an important part of Zuckerberg’s life and start to his career. It should therefore be added back in, for this and the other reasons described above. Viriditas (talk) 02:29, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

These discussion have dealt with this issue: Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)/Archive 21#Alma mater - abstract question, Template talk:Infobox person/Archive 30#Education and Alma_Mater. It appears the general standard for well over a decade now has been that alma mater can be used for those who have only attended a college, education for those with a degree. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 02:45, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Excellent find. Could you make note of that over at the template? Viriditas (talk) 03:45, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

I should've guessed other threads long ago debated the use of this term for non-graduates. Just to confirm, when you talk about "most normal people" obtaining degress, I presume that means folks who aren't famous enough to warrant their own articles. Is my guess correct? Either way, that metaphor on institutions and their students respectively being like mother and child feels like a stretch, but it is true Mark launched Facebook during his Harvard days and that the initial demographic was its students before expanding to a much larger scope. One might say the time he spent in college has since been overshadowed by post-Harvard controversies Facebook endured (e.g. Cambridge Analytica data breach and January 6th Capitol attack). SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 04:33, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

I wasn't referring to people who aren't notable, but to normal notable people. Just to provide an example, someone like Jesse Watters, apparently he has a degree from Trinity College. I didn't know that, you probably didn't know either. Watters going to Trinity College couldn't be less significant to his notability. Yet, convention says it should be listed in the infobox. I would say Zuckerberg attendance at Harvard is more significant to his notability than Watters bachelors degree from Trinity is to his notability. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 04:43, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Definitely not something I knew about Watters beforehand and it doesn't look like that has much bearing on his Fox News career. Had Zuck not launched Facebook during his time at Harvard or aimed it at other students from the university, would you perhaps say that would weaken the case for including it in the infobox here? SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 04:51, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

It absolutely would weaken my case. I would not be advocating for it's inclusion if it wasn't relevant to Zuckerberg's legacy. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 04:52, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

"Youngest self made billionaire" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Youngest self made billionaire and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 February 23#Youngest self made billionaire until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Bonoahx (talk) 10:49, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Media magnate?

Curious why we describe Zuckerberg as a "media magnate"? I think it is incorrect to conflate running social media platforms with owning media companies. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 18:41, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Because Facebook's parent company is a corporation that he runs. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 19:27, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that might make him a business magnate. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 19:49, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 September 2022

Please modify this short description by following parameter, which the inclusion of dates, also excluding "founder of Facebook" per WP:SDSHORT:

{{short description|American internet entrepreneur (born 1984)}} 112.204.221.155 (talk) 22:50, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done FrederalBacon (talk) 18:27, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Edit

The page is protected, I cannot edit. On line 18 there is an error: after "Forbes" there is an apostrophe. Can you fix it? 151.36.35.204 (talk) 01:02, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done Either that sentence should read "according to Forbes'..." (removing "the") or "according to the Forbes..." (remove the apostrophe) ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:06, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Adding category "Harvard University alumni"

I notice that Zuckerberg is not in the category "Harvard University alumni". Is this intentional? If not, can this category be added? Is it true that only people that graduated count as alumni, but those that dropped out like Zuckerberg don't count? Windywendi (talk) 02:03, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

100% intentional; adding that category would incorrectly imply he graduated. It's best to save the category for those who aren't drop-outs. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 04:06, 21 March 2023 (UTC)