Talk:Lunette (container)

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move to Lunette (holder)[edit]

based on latest changes Reing (talk) 15:25, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, no; and the changes mentioned are questionable (see below) Moonraker12 (talk) 13:26, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Moonraker12 Well, your revert of my edit is questionable, above all (see below). You simply deleted reliable source which contradicted your opinion. I do not know if it is more laziness or recklessness. I do not like reverts at all, except for vandalism, which is not what I did. I have only honestly corrected what I still believe (= not sure) is mismatched. I think in such cases when editors disagree it is better first discuss an then edit. Excuse me, I just realized the article is your "child". But based on your location you do not seem to be catholic. (on other hand my English is not very good, and I am barely able to write in English without translator, so be polite when something looks weird, is misspelled or is unclear) Reing (talk) 22:21, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Recent changes[edit]

The latest changes mentioned above was a single edit that a) added some detail alongside a source that says something different b) deleted other referenced material, and c) has an edit summary that claims "deleted dead links (which?), description as at catholic.org, partly using cs.wikipedia (where is the link?)" This is too muddled to simply fix, so I have reverted the lot, per BRD.
A lunette being a "crescent-shaped clip" may be (or may once have been) the case in Germany, but in the English-speaking world it is (as previously stated) a circular glass container: See here or here or here or even here (the OED definition that was co-opted to support the new description). The edit note also refers to a cs Wikipedia article, but the page has no link: where is it?
This is not an objection to adding information about another form of this item, if it is (or has been) in use somewhere, but that form is not the only, or even the primary expression, and should not (on the English language WP) be replacing what is most familiar form here. Moonraker12 (talk) 13:20, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Moonraker12 It is always much easier just to revert something than . Ofcourse I am not English speaking (and not German either) so maybe you are right, but lunula is a holder in at least 6 languages (the 4 on Wikipedia plus Czech and Latin). The catholic.org is US, not German, although it mentions German in: "lunette, known in Germany as the lunula and also as the melchisedech, is a crescent-shaped clip..." and this article says: "A lunette, or lunula, is...". Based on text in Monstrance: "In the center of the sunburst, the monstrance normally has a small round glass the size of a host, through which the Blessed Sacrament can be seen. Behind this glass is a round container made of glass and gilded metal, called a lunette, which holds the host securely in place. When not in the monstrance, the host in its luna (???)..." I believe that even in UK and US the lunette is a holder made of metal and sometimes but not necesarily glass. Go to some church and check it out please. Reing (talk) 01:16, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Moonraker12@Reing In Britannica lunette is a holder. 90.180.12.61 (talk) 13:09, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Moonraker12 So I summarize: Your opinion si based on the three sources in the article, of which none is freely available. Moreover you mentioned some other websites, about which we do not know whether they are true sources or just copied text from Wikipedia without mentionig it. Interestingly another page of Catholic Culture (one of the websites you mentioned above) contradicts your opinion, because there is clearly stated: "The Host itself is held in a lunette or crescent, also called melchisedech. This moves in a groove within the monstrance proper." On other hand there is Britannica (anonymous contribution above), Catholic Online - the source I added in my (now reverted by you) edit, and articles on 4 foreign Wikipedias. All of them contradict your opinion. The word is of latin origin, which is language of Catholic Church. It could be expected to have the same meaning in all languages. So the question is: If (!!) the meaning of the word in English changed, than when and why it happened? Maybe somebody made a mistake, then somebody included it in OED, and later in Wikipedia, then others started copy it. Maybe proper name for this article is Lunette container (without brackets). Maybe it is Luna. Maybe I am not as stupid as my English. Reing (talk) 21:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]