Talk:Los Campesinos!

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If anyone knows the band members actual surnames, they would make a good addition to the article. Alexwadham (talk) 21:59, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 Donedone? --Smremde (talk) 22:38, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Surnames[edit]

I notice the band members' surnames have been added a couple of times and immediately reverted without explanation. Is there a reason they're being excluded from the article? I'm aware they don't put them on the record sleeves, but a Google search reveals they're not exactly a secret either. What's up? --Dtcdthingy (talk) 20:08, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know, I think they should stay.  GARDEN  20:18, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Stay as Campesinos! or the actual names? Doc StrangeMailboxLogbook 04:25, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I say stay as Campesinos!. It's like the Ramones. The article on them lists their surnames as being Ramone. The article should maybe be like that for this band. Also, the aforementioned google search brings this wiki page as the first result, so it's hardly a well publicized bit of information. Cm619 (talk) 21:15, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It didn't bring up the Wiki page as first until I added the names back in. I'll put the "Campesinos!" back (someone put them back, but also added an "!" to the first names of the band members as well, which is not the case). Doc StrangeMailboxLogbook 15:51, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's worth noting that the Ramones article, while using pseudonyms in the infobox, gives all the members' real names in the article. This article gives the real names nowhere, which isn't very encyclopedic.
I'd also like to note that the analogy doesn't fit perfectly: the Ramones, unlike Los Campesinos, understood how singulars and plurals work. --76.28.236.209 (talk) 23:49, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with 76.28.236.209. –DjScrawl (talk) 07:44, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I realise I'm a little late to this particular party but is there any reason why the band members real names aren't included? Obviously I can see that this was discussed but, to my eyes, it looks like the consensus was that their real names should be included. Yet this discussion has been used as an explanation for the names being removed (albeit a year ago) and I really can't see the justification for it. Unless anyone has any objections I'll edit the article to include them at the first reference to their names and add a line about why they call themselves something different. Robinr22 (talk) 07:35, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately someone has now removed the names on the grounds that they are "original research", but without justifying it otherwise. In fairness they were unsourced, as with much of this article, but the solution to that is to find sources rather than remove the information. As a note to this, sources are only required for information challenged or likely to be challenged. I accept that the band do refer to themselves with a different name to their real ones but surely no-one is suggesting that the names I included are wrong? This would be the only criteria to remove their names entirely and absent this the information should stay, even if unsourced. That said, I have now found sources for them so that should be the end of it. I'd also address the point that the band use choose to use Camepesinos as a band surname. This is an encyclopedia. It is littered with people, such as Bruce Willis, Michael Keaton, J. K. Rowling, The Ramones who use different names publically to their real names. In all these cases, and many others, they are generally referred to by their public names but the article states still their real names in every case. Just because the band choose to use Campesinos as their public name doesn't mean that accurate information should be excluded. Robinr22 (talk) 05:30, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Actual surnames or No surnames (especially outside the Infobox) - As 76.28.236.209 said and as Ramones. [Searching Talk:Ramones] reveals Talk:Ramones/GA2, where 2.B suggests the current Ramones editorial policy may've come about during the second good article review. –DjScrawl (talk) 00:03, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
(NB: I've liked the Los Campesinos! music since their début EP but):
  1. These pseudonymous surnames are marketing affectation, whilst Wikipedia is not a brochure.
  2. Re. 'No surnames' – The prefixes (currently simple first names), can always be expected to be distinguishable, for the purposes of uniquely identifying them within the article-body.
  3. The pseudonymous subsume members into the Campesinos! brand, reducing their individual prowess outside/after the band and I don't suppose Wikipedia intends to support restraint of trade.
  4. Somewhat moot, esp' since the advent of witch house band-names, but the trailing "!"s are ungrammatical, mere (graphic) stylisations – again, not a brochure.
  5. Further to 4, avoidance of confusion/error-glare, in the article-body's free-flowing text, might be practical for only the band-name but is a magnitude tougher with the branding used for members (about my only eye-bleed with the new, and near pristine, No Blues (Los Campesinos! album) – Re. precedent: Imagine the article for a film called !?%., with all the actors pseudonymously named this way.
  6. The popularity of Special:WhatLinksHere/Los_Campesinos suggests there may be positive resistance and/or confusion, vis the stylisation (issue conjuncts #Campesinos vs Campesinos!). –DjScrawl (talk) 15:07, 13 October 2013 (UTC)(update timestamp)[reply]
  7. Also, re. precedent: A 'pseudonymous family' constitutes a 'triumph of style over substance', vis Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)#Subsequent use, and since this is, at least partially, a matter of branding, may be marketing contrivance. –DjScrawl (talk) 19:48, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WAB WAD: EP?[edit]

According to the website, WAB WAD is officially an EP- not that the legnth of the record, or the number of tracks suggests this- still, officially, it is an EP. Should this be changed? Yash (talk) 18:00, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reference[edit]

http://drownedinsound.com/in_depth/4138510-2010-preview--death-and-football-los-campesinos-new-record  GARDEN  13:16, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Campesinos vs Campesinos![edit]

Notwithstanding stylisation removal, as 'Surnames', it would be good to edit-out this redirect: Los Campesinos. –DjScrawl (talk) 15:03, 13 October 2013 (UTC) (update timestamp)[reply]

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