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A few errors

The article erroneously states that the Lakers organization has won 15 championships, when they have, in fact, won 16 championships (1 NBL, 1 BAA & 14 NBA). Also, in the info box to the right, it states that they won the NBL division title in 1949 when, in fact, it was 1948 (they left the NBL in 1948 and joined the BAA). Think these ought to be corrected?

A distinction really should be made between the NBL, BAA and NBA, too. Though the NBA recognizes BAA titles as NBA titles, the fact remains that the BAA was a different league from the NBA.

--Gerkinstock (talk) 13:22, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

You're right about the division title error and I've gone ahead and fixed it. Regarding the BAA, however, it is not distinct from the NBA. The BAA absorbed NBL teams prior to the 1948-49 and 1949-50 seasons, and changed its name to the NBA in the summer of 1949. It was not a merger, as the BAA and NBL were not on equal financial standings -- the BAA had larger arenas in larger markets and so it freely chose to admit selected teams from the financially strapped NBL. In other words, the BAA not a distinct league from the NBA -- all that was involved was a name change. — Myasuda (talk) 17:19, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad this article was corrected to show 16 Total Championships as a Franchise. My only issue now is that the article itself is falling short (the intro for example) in acknowledging only 15 Championships as a whole when in fact you corrected this only to the right side of the article. So, you corrected the standings, but did not correct the article. This to me comes off as incomplete. You can't have it showing 16 total championships on the right and then read through the article where it only mentions 15 championships. This conflicts with your change to 16 total championships. And if you dispute the NBL championship they earned as part of Lakers Franchise total then you need to clarify within the article. However, I believe since the NBL and BAA eventually formed a complete NBA league it would be disingenuous for you to leave this article as is. To not correct the championship count from 15 to 16 through the article when it is mentioned leaves the reader to question which is the correct number. As I stated though, it should be 16 total regardless of the 1 championship being with the NBL. This is not an article from the NBA, this is an article in Wikipedia giving insight of the Franchise (Lakers) efforts, accomplishments and status. To not acknowledge the team as having 16 championships is to only copy what NBA.com has on the Lakers which defeats the purpose of reading this article on wiki entirely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.255.237.41 (talk) 22:02, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

But of course, when editing the article, facts must be recorded. There is no more authoritative source on the internet for facts concerning the Los Angeles Lakers then their official website. Their official website is directly associated with NBA.com, however unfortunate that might be.Reigndog (talk) 19:50, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Mistake in the opening paragraph and NBA title counts

The opening paragraph reads, "The Finals victory gave the franchise their 15th NBA championship, placing them second in NBA history behind the Celtics' 17." The 2010 championship was the Lakers 16th NBA title. I am not sure why on the right column it states that the Lakers won a BAA title in 1949. The BAA and NBL merged to form the NBA in 1949. These two statements contradict other parts of the entry where it states that Lakers have won 16 titles. Moreover, it contradicts conventional wisdom that the Lakers are currently behind Boston Celtics by one title.

12.186.229.34 (talk) 18:37, 23 May 2011 (UTC)Anonymous

Fixed. NBL titles are not counted, but BAA titles should be counted in the total. So, 16 is corrected.—Chris!c/t 19:27, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Someone put a section in all caps on the article 2011-2012 Los Angeles Lakers season. That is not appropriate on Wikipedia. Could someone take a look at that and remove it if necessary?

--ILikeWatchingFights (talk) 21:16, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Excerpt from the "BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA LEAGUE MINUTES 1946-1949" as they are documented by "The Association for Professional Basketball Reaserch" (google search: apbr org baaminutes)

"MINUTES OF SPECIAL MEETING OF BAA BOARD OF GOVERNORS AT MORRISON HOTEL, CHICAGO, JULY 1, 1949 1. President reported on conferences with Ferris and Duffey to consider merger or affiliate agreement. General discussion of the possibilities. 2. After a preliminary committee session, Board of Governors of BAA convened and adopted a resolution that each team play not more than four exhibition games during the season. 3. Later, Ferris, Duffey and (Mangus) Brinkman of the NBL returned for conference with executive committee of BAA and said NBL was interested only in a merger, not any other type of agreement. They said eight teams of the NBL wanted to merge. The BAA's Governors said because of the number of teams, merger not feasible.

MINUTES OF SPECIAL MEETING OF BAA BOARD OF GOVERNORS AT HOTEL MORRISON, CHICAGO, AUGUST 11, 1949 1. The agreement for merger with NBL was read. 2. Had lunch with members of NBL."

BAA and NBL merged as two equal leagues in 1949 and the first season of the NBA was the 1949-50 season. NBA decided to include the three years of the BAA in its history and to count the BAA titles of the 1946-47, 1947-48, 1948-49 seasons as NBA titles. Lakers have a total of 17 professional championships and the NBA recognizes the 16 of the 17 professional championships as championships of the league. Not as the ONLY professional championships of the Lakers. The decision was made after the merger when most of the former NBL teams weren't NBA teams any more and the BAA owners with former BAA and first NBA commisioner revised history after the merger took place. NBL championships from 1937-38 to 1948-49 counts as professional championships but not as NBA championships something that shouldn't be done with the BAA championships either. In conclusion Lakers have 16 NBA championships and a total of 17 professional Championships if our source is the Official NBA history. If our source is the history of the two leagues and the actual merging negotiations the Lakers are having 1 NBL Championship in 1947-48, 1 BAA championship in 1948-49 and 15 NBA championships from 1949-50 to 2011-2012 for a total of 17 professional championships.

CYLakers (talk) 09:15, 21 November 2012 (UTC)CYLakers

I've mentioned this elsewhere but the Los Angeles Lakers organization states that they have won 16 championships as of this current date. 16 not 17, as NBL records are not counted in anyway as official history by anyone. The Lakers organization does acknowledge that the NBL, (the 1930-1940's version), did exist but the statistics of the NBL should not be applied to their franchise. The history but not the statistics. Only BAA / NBA stats count, that is not disputed by anyone in a position of authority to make such a determination. Not anyone with the NBA or the Lakers. Regardless of how the decision was made, NBL records and statistics do not count today. Really, no one with a valid say in the matter has yet to state that the Akron Wingfoots or the Oshkosh All-Stars should be recorded as winning championships in today's NBA. And please look at the info box, it says "League champs". What league? There is only one league, the BAA / NBA. Reigndog (talk) 20:04, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 May 2013

In the text of "Sixteen Hall of Famers have played for Los Angeles, while four have coached the team. Four Lakers—Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Magic Johnson, Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant—have won the NBA Most Valuable Player Awards for a total of eight awards" Should instead read "Sixteen Hall of Famers have played for Los Angeles, while four have coached the team. Four Lakers—Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Magic Johnson, Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant—have won the NBA Most Valuable Player Awards for a total of eleven awards". This is a simple correction changing the total to the correct total. 68.2.85.174 (talk) 05:15, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.—Bagumba (talk) 07:46, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Eight is correct: Abdul-Jabbar received three MVP awards as a Laker, Johnson won three, O'Neal won one, and Bryant won one. Perhaps you were mistakenly adding the three MVPs Abdul-Jabbar received as a Milwaukee Buck. — Myasuda (talk) 07:53, 5 May 2013 (UTC)


QUESTION: latest article says 18 Hall of Fame players have played for the team. Should it not be 19? Adrian Dantley also played for the Lakers for 2 seasons in the late 70's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.217.244.162 (talk) 18:13, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Championship Confusion

The Lakers have won exactly 16 Championships, not 17. The BAA Championship was won by the Minneapolis Lakers, not the LA Lakers. Even though they had the same name, they are part of 2 different leagues, therefore making them 2 different teams. Please change this immediately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.21.193.190 (talk) 01:44, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

As most basketball fans know, the BAA was the direct progenitor of the NBA. The BAA and NBA history is merged because they are considered to be the same league. — Myasuda (talk) 02:58, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
Sorry I meant NBL Championships.
Ah yes, the NBL is a different matter. The NBL did merge with the BAA in 1948 (to form the NBA) and the NBL history is ordinarily kept separate from that of the NBA. The Lakers were a part of the NBL, however, so the franchise (which this article covers) did win the NBL title in 1948. The infobox does take care to list the NBL championship separately from the BAA/NBA championships (which is appropriate), but the editor who set up the infobox chose to aggregate the total . . . which I agree is a somewhat debatable decision since it's perhaps misleading to a casual reader of this article. I don't really have a strong opinion regarding the aggregation. Perhaps other editors can chime in and give their thoughts. — Myasuda (talk) 13:04, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
1)The Lakers were founded in the summer of 1946 in Detroit by the name "Gems" and played in the NBL. So the first edit must be that. The 1947 must change to 1946 as the year of their foundation.

2)Lakers played 2 years in the NBL. The first as Detroit Gems (1946-47) and the second as Minneapolis Lakers (1947-48). In 1948 they won their first Professional Championship. After the season the Lakers with the Royals the Pistons and the Kautskys (played as Jets in the BAA)changed leagues from NBL to BAA. The Lakers went on to win the BAA championship in 1949. That was their second professional championship. In the summer of 1949 the two leagues merged to one league, the NBA as we know it today. The Lakers won a third straight championship in 1949-50 NBA season, the first season of the league. 3)The two leagues had the same chances to fold after the 1949-50 season if if they didn't merge then. The official NBA history revised that fact to fit the "history" that the founders of the BAA wanted to be known. Thats why today the league celebrates only BAA figures and not NBL too. Until the 1977-78 season the league was giving the Walter A. Brown NBA Championship award (1st Celtics owner, former BAA team). The Eddie Gottlieb Rookie of the year award (1st GM and coach of the Philadelphia Warriors, former BAA team) and the Maurice Podoloff Most Valuable Player award (Commisioner of the BAA and 1st commisioner of the NBA) are given until today. None of the founders/owners of the NBL are mentioned in the history of the league. 4)The NBL was established in 1937 and lasted through the 1948-49 season. In the 3 years of co-existence of the 2 leagues the NBL had the better/biggest star-players by a margin of 85-90%. It was until the Lakers and the Royals changed leagues that the BAA acquired the big stars like Mikan, Pollard, Bob Davies and Arnie Risen. 5)The NBA by recognising the BAA as the sole predecessor of the NBA, treats the NBL players and teams as expansion players and teams. If they treated history as the should the NBA would have its first year in 1949-50 and the teams of the NBL would have their whole history recognized and the NBL as a league would be, with facts, the better league (as it is but not recognised). So the owners of the former BAA teams (Knicks Celtics Warriors) wouldn't have that preeminent status in leagues history. The NBL Championship in 1948 not only counts as a Professional championship but also someone can argue that the Lakers and the Royals for example were always playing in the best league something that the Knicks, Celtics and Warriors can't argue. 6)The history of the Lakers must be: 1) FOUNDED 1946, 2) PLAYED IN THE NBL AS DETROIT GEMS FOR THE 1946-47 SEASON 3)PLAYED IN THE NBL AS MINNEAPOLIS LAKERS FOR THE 1947-48 SEASON. THEY WON THE NBL PROFESSIONAL TITLE. 3) CHANGED LEAGUES AND BECAME A BAA FRANCHISE FOR THE 1948-49 SEASON. THEY WON THE BAA PROFESSIONAL TITLE. 4) THEY WERE ONE OF THE 18 TEAMS THAT MERGED TO SHAPE THE NEW LEAGUE BY THE NAME OF NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION (NBA) THEY WON THE FIRST NBA TITLE IN 1949-50. 4) CHAMPIONSHIPS: 1 NBL, 1 BAA, 15 NBA TITLES, TOTAL PROFESSIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS 17. That way it will be shown the fact that those titles are equal something that the official hIstory of the league ignores, dimminishing not only the 1947 and 1948 NBL titles but the whole history of the NBL. 6.1)A former NBL franchise that would be transferred from Oshkosh to Milwakee (All- Stars) folded when the owners found out that they couldn't run the team properly in Milwakee. Then the NBA decided to reassign the 17 remaining teams to 3 divisions. The Western, Eastern and Central. NBA history states that from day one the league had 17 teams, not 18. 7)In 1952 when many of the NBL teams already abandoned the league for financial reasons and the former NBL owners didn;t have at least some form of power, the BAA owners and former BAA commissioner Maurice Podoloff established their supperiority by honoring ONLY "the players of the NBA that was in the league from its foundation in 1946". That means that players like Mikan Pollard Davies Holzman Risen and other great players weren't honored. From then on the league celebrated its 25th aniversary in 1971, its 35th anniversary in 1981 and its 50th anniversary in 1996, continuing to reaffirm the revisionist history the BAA owners established.

Conclusion) So, no my friends. Lakers don't 15 or 16, they have 17 worthy professional titles already and they are the only team that they had a three-peat in three different professional leagues. Detroit Gems, Minneapolis Lakers and Los Angeles Lakers are the same franchise. If they weren't 1)George Mikan wouldn't be a player of the Lakers when the PBLA, the league that was playing into folded, because the Lakers wouldn't have the worst record from last year (Gems, 4-40 in 1946-47) so they wouldn't have the 1st pick in the dispersal draft too. 2) They wouldn't have the 2nd pick in 1960 draft with which they drafted Jerry West. The Lakers earned the pick from their last Minneapolis season and they drafted West as Los Angeles Lakers.

[1] History of the NBL - an Interview with Murry Nelson

[2] The BAA-NBL merger and the question of the NBA's birthday

— CYLakers (talk) 05:44, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

With all due respect, you are simply wrong. The NBA does not count the history and the statistics of the NBL, only the BAA. You can make an argument over how this is some kind of injustice but that is all you can do. You can not change the facts as they are. You can not have two different world champions each year from 1946-1950. You use the word "should" in reference to how you think NBL titles should count. They simply do not, regardless of what you or I or what anyone else might want. This is Wikipedia after all, not some barroom argument, we can't just make the facts change simply because we think they "should" be different.
Even the Los Angeles Lakers organization itself only counts BAA / NBA statistics. They state on their website that they "only" have 16 World Championships. That is a more authoritative source than anything you quote or could ever quote. I put the word only in quotation marks as it is a pretty good achievement and second best in NBA history.
Furthermore, I'm not sure why you are confusing the issue. No one is arguing that the basketball team that played in Minneapolis in the BAA in 1948-49 and in the NBA from 1949-1960 is not the same team that has played in the NBA from Los Angeles since 1960. I do not know why you mentioned the 1960 draft pick. That has nothing to do with this. Reigndog (talk) 18:39, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

The reference to the 1960 draft pick has to do with the fact that despite the relocation from Minneapolis to Los Angeles we are talking about the same franchise. The reason why i referred to the fact is because the no1 pick that the Detroit Gems had in the 1947 NBL draft AND the no 1 pick in the PBLA dispersal draft the same year that landed Mikan to the Lakers is, along with the 1960 pick, what makes the Detroit Gems the Minneapolis Lakers and the Los Angeles Lakers one team relocated in 3 cities and founded in 1946 in Detroit.

Also, the franchise didn't play in two different major professional leagues but in three different major professional leagues. NBL (1946-48), BAA (1948-49) NBA (1949-2013). The francise and the league count what it is part of the NBA history and the teams can present in NBA arenas ONLY what it is recognized as part of their NBA history. Teams can account and present only their stats/championships won while they were participating in the BAA the ABA and the NBA. Five current NBA teams have a part of their history dating back to the NBL and the Lakers are one of them. This article is about the Lakers franchise and their whole history should be presented. Not only what the NBA as a league recognizes as its own history.

We are not even speaking about the injustice here. This is a TEAM wiki page not an NBA franchise page. The franchise is dated back in 1946 and from that date on every fact and team accolate must be accounted for the history of the team to be presented precisely and in full extent. Is wikipedia connected with the NBA? If there is any connection that would justify that the wiki NBA team pages should only contain what the NBA considers its history then we should only have the BAA and NBA part of the Lakers franchise history included. If there isn't any connection the franchise was founded in 1946 and it has a total of 17 major professional championships while playing in 3 cities (Detroit Minneapolis Los Angeles) and in 3 major professional leagues (NBL, BAA, NBA).

The description "World Championship" is something that the NBL was using too and it isn't a way to legitimize something. The only thing that makes the BAA titles accountable while the NBL titles are not is the decision of the NBA to connect its history only to the BAA. This does not mean that the 5 teams (Pistons, Kings, 76ers, Hawks, Lakers) that were founded before entering the BAA or the NBA should have a part of their history and success in major professional leagues not be accounted.

The way you describe things is the way the NBA does. What it is recognized by the league it is major professional basketball history and what it isn't recognized by the NBA it isn't.That's the way people think noy what the historycal facts show. While the BAA and the NBL coexisted the BAA had two champions now recognized by the official NBA history that weren't better than the 1946-47 NBL Chicago American Gears and 1947-48 NBL Lakers and didn't won in a better league than the NBL of 1946 to 1948. It isn't about what it is worthy to be considered professional or not. It is what the NBA recognizes as its own history. And as i said this is a wiki basketball franchise page and not a wiki NBA franchise page.

Some weeks ago basketball-reference.com added an NBL section. Not connected with the BAA/NBA section of course. But now we have a glimpse of the history of every single current NBA franchise in major professional basketball competition.

CYLakers (talk) 21:52, 27 May 2013 (UTC)CYLakers

I do not want this to become an issue. I don't have the deep, emotional stake you obviously have in this matter, obvious from your user name. But it is difficult to understand what you are saying in some cases, in other cases you are simply incorrect.
First, once again, I do not know why you keep talking about the 1960 draft. No one is arguing that moving from Minneapolis to Los Angeles makes one team a different team. Once more, that has nothing to do with anything.
Second, the Lakers franchise never played in Detroit under the name "The Gems". That is incorrect information. The team was disbanded, which means it ceased to exist. The only thing of physical substance that went from Detroit to Minneapolis were basketball supplies. Draft rights in and of themselves do not turn two different teams into one. The Los Angeles Lakers franchise does not even mention the Gems whatsoever in their official history.
Wikipedia also requires verifiable sources. In this particular case, again, there is no source more reliable than the Los Angeles Lakers organization itself. They say 16 championships, the only men's professional basketball league says 16 as well. You can't say 17 simply because you want it to be so. The NBL records simply do not count as official statistic today in any sense. You can mention the NBL history of course, indeed you should, I do as well! But statistics are to be kept separate, according to the citations and sources.Reigndog (talk) 15:37, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
I agree that Detroit Gems should not be considered a part of the Lakers franchise without reliable sources that explicitly make the connection. While there is a connection with Detroit, I see no evidence that the Gems and Lakers are one in the same. We cannot right great wrongs unless they are reported first. While we do not blindly follow the Lakers and NBA self-published version of their history as they are not independent, we do need to give due weight to what all sources say. As far as I can tell, most third party sources are also consistent with the versions provided by the Lakers and the NBA.—Bagumba (talk) 16:55, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your in-depth citation of Wikipedia policies. As I see it, you and I are in basic agreement. My main issue is that while the history may not be strictly determined by the franchise or the league itself, the official statistics and official records surely must be. So much of athletics is based on numbers and figures, so finding reliable citations and sources is very important. Given the nature of many sports fans, a Wikipedia article, which is often the first place a person looks for quick information, can turn into a free-for-all. And while I would still hold to the franchise and the league being the most obvious place for a reliable citation or source, as you correctly state, even significant third-party sources and citations back up the statistics and records of both the NBA and the Los Angeles Lakers.
As far as I can tell, CYLakers bases his/her edits solely on personal opinion as a Lakers fan when it comes to the statistics, records, championships, etc, putting things in the most favorable light for his/her chosen team. With the issue of the Gems-Lakers disbandment/move, he/she is on slightly more solid ground, including excerpts that are supposedly from published books. However, a published work is not necessarily an accurate or significant source, especially when the particular edition of the work cited is already out of date and not available for review and when the author is not a notable person. In addition, the supposed excerpts provided do not clearly indicate that the Gems and Lakers should be considered one in the same, only that the time frame between the Gems being disbanded and the creation of the Minneapolis Lakers was heavily condensed and somewhat unclear. I do not think that CYLakers does his/her position justice by supposedly quoting book excepts and then inserting personal opinion. I understand why he/she did it, the excepts do not speak for themselves, one must do some serious interpretation. But mixing opinion with facts hardly does anything to help establish trust or good faith, which I think is very helpful, decidedly so when the topic of discussion is partially murky. But thank you again Bagumba for your help here! Reigndog (talk) 18:25, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
I see no reason not to assume good faith on CYLakers' part. Minority views are fine, but must be dealt with neutrally. NBA Rookie of the Year Award is one example where we don't just blindly present what the NBA says.—Bagumba (talk) 22:30, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
To be clear, I only raised the issue of good faith in the context of mixing facts with opinion. Sports history is not akin to Bible interpretation and commentary, one usually expects things to be more cut-and-dried with athletic history. The case here requires even more caution because the sources given for the Gem-Lakers issue are partially inaccessible to us, as at least one of the books is out of print. It was not my intention to suggest anything more ominous than that. If anything more did seem to come through in my text, I regret it.
The issue of the Rookie of the Year Award is an interesting one, as it actually helps to illustrate my point on more than one account. First the 1947-1952 list is kept clearly and strictly separate from the main 1952-2013 list. Secondly, unlike the NBL statistics and records which were never recognized by the BAA/NBA, the 1947-1952 RotY Award list was retroactively recognized by the NBA as official in 1994 and 1995. It is unclear what the current status of the 1947-1952 list is, according to the NBA, but at the very least, it had 1-2 years of official status. That alone might merit it's inclusion, even if one wanted to hold firm to only NBA views on the matter and exclude all others.
Honestly, the matter on the whole is of somewhat limited interest to me, apart from a desire to be useful to others. I hope I have done some good here, I do love official history of all kinds.Reigndog (talk) 05:00, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

2011–present: Post-Jackson era and the "Big Four"

This section needs to be improved, it has more information than the 2004-2007 and 2007-11 sections. Also the title "Big Four" should be removed since it seems like POV statement. This section can put the article's GA status in jeopardy, hopefully someone has suggestions to fix the section. GoPurple'nGold24 04:58, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

I cleaned it up a little, I think it still need work, please make any improvements. GoPurple'nGold24 05:24, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Can we rename this "The Dark Times" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.157.64.167 (talk) 05:04, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

First sentence

Shouldn't the article say The Los Angeles Lakers is a professional..... It is singular despite the s at the end of Lakers Robert4565 (talk) 05:33, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

"Are" is correct. In American English per MOS:PLURALS, "the major exception is when sports teams are referred to by nicknames that are plural nouns, when plural verbs are commonly used to match."—Bagumba (talk) 08:26, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

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Season-by-season records Further information: List of Los Angeles Lakers seasons Since the Lakers were established in 1948, the team has missed the playoffs just five times. [3] That number is up to 7 at the end of the 2014-2015 season 71.176.20.66 (talk) 06:04, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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•Suggestion to be added to the, "Team History" section, at the end of subsection "2016-present: Post-Bryant era". Being the most impactful, and by far the most exciting news in recent Laker history, coupled with the fact that I, along with every news report I've seen, feel this will be a turning point for the franchise. The sudden shift in direction, combined with how significant Magic Johnson is to the Lakers, I think this worthy of a mention in Laker history.

•On Tuesday, February 21, 2017, Los Angeles Lakers fired general manager Mitch Kupchak. Lakers owner Jeanie Buss, also announced the removal of her brother, Jim Buss, from his position as executive Vice President of basketball operations. Mitch Kupchak had been with the Lakers since 1986, and serving as the GM since 2000. Jim Buss had been with the Lakers for 19 years, serving as Vice President of basketball operations for the last 12. Jeanie Buss also announced that, Hall of Fame member, and former Laker point guard, Earvin "Magic" Johnson, would serve as the new President of basketball operations. Several hours later in the same day, It was also announced that Rob Pelinka, best known for having been Kobe Bryant's agent, would be taking on the roll of General Manager for the Los Angeles Lakers.

•Reference source-http://www.montenews.com/news/20170221/lakers-put-magic-johnson-in-charge-of-basketball-ops Michael Anglin (talk) 20:01, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

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D'Angelo Russell Trade

Should we include the D'Angelo Russell trade in the post-Bryant era section? Nintendoswitchfan (talk) 03:59, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Team History

I believe that we should summarize the team history on this page, instead of practically listing the full team history which the article on the Lakers' team history provides. Nintendoswitchfan (talk) 17:23, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 March 2018 (to clarify number of championships)

It would be useful to distinguish clearly between the Lakers franchise and the Lakers in Los Angeles when giving the number of championships. Adding four words would suffice. The sentence in the introduction that currently reads

The Lakers are one of the most successful teams in the history of the NBA, and have won 16 NBA championships, their last being in 2010.

could be changed to

The Lakers are one of the most successful teams in the history of the NBA, and have won 16 NBA championships (11 in Los Angeles), their last being in 2010.

Thank you for your time! 209.179.95.97 (talk) 23:12, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Specifically, please present reliable sources that there is any need to distinguish between the Minneapolis Lakers and the Los Angeles Lakers. As far as I am aware, it is universally acknowledged to be the same franchise and the NBA officially considers the history of the team in Minnesota to apply to the current team. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 15:27, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm afraid you've misunderstood the point of the change: Indeed, the Lakers franchise is a continuous whole. But the text up to the point in question only says "Los Angeles Lakers", not the "Lakers franchise", making it appear that all the championships mentioned were won in Los Angeles. I just want to avoid the currently misleading expression. Aren't the four words I suggest true, verifiable (by information already in the article) and clear? If you don't agree, I'll let this be. Thank you again for your consideration.

The actual text says: {{tq| The Lakers ... have won 16 NBA championships...} No Los Angeles, no geographical identification at all. Three sentences later, in the very next paragraph, it says: The new team began playing in Minneapolis, calling themselves the Minneapolis Lakers... and in the body the full Minneapolis/Los Angeles history is extensively detailed. While I understand the intent of the suggestion, we can expect some level of basic comprehension skills from our readers and there is no reason to hand-hold them quite as much as you suggest. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:00, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Now I think you are being disingenuous. It does say "Los Angeles", three times, before the point you decided to start quoting. It's in the title of the article! A reader unfamiliar with the subject would assume that they were reading a statement about the Los Angeles team, not the historical franchise. In fact, Google Search is confused by this article: If you enter a search for "How many NBA championships have the Los Angeles Lakers won", Google uses this article to say "16". So misinformation is being spread as a result of the lack of clarity. But reasonable people may, apparently, differ. I promised to let this go, so I'm done here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.179.95.97 (talk) 23:51, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

I think your request is reasonable. Thanks for explaining your rationale. I'm going to go ahead and make the change. —Myasuda (talk) 00:37, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 July 2018

Lebron James signing with the Lakers. It's not even remotely hard to find a reference. Ikeitha (talk) 13:36, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: The transaction becomes official when the team itself announces the signing. – Sabbatino (talk) 13:49, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

LeBron James is on the Lakers

I am not really demanding that anything be changed right now, but do consider that eventually when the season starts, and the Lakers supposedly start making some noise with LeBron on the team, perhaps then it will be time to put in a new header for the LeBron James era (2018–present: LeBron James era). Karl Malone the Mailman (talk) 07:16, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

I have no issue, other than "Joe Blow era" is a cliché heading.—Bagumba (talk) 08:27, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

hey @Karl Malone the Mailman, yes that's what I've been telling them for months and others too, the Post-Bryant era ended when the Lakers signed LeBron July 9th, 2018. Post-Bryant era 2016-2018, it's a new era, but they won't put that for some reason, I don't know if they want to wait till the season starts or wait to put something in the LeBron era first to post imformation or what, but it needs to be 2018-present: LeBron James era — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Speller (talk • contribs)

Let history define eras, not current fan opinion. Let's just step back for a season and see what happens instead of speculating that LeBron suddenly fixes their pre-existing issues (FYI, he might be able to, but he might not. Even professionals are unsure. See [1] and [2], including doubting himself.) Yosemiter (talk) 21:52, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

do you think the one I put on the Kobe Bryant era I made good for everyone? The Speller (talk) 16:33, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

@The Speller: Personally, I say absolutely not. It violates WP:NPOV and WP:CLICHE. "The lean years part 2" (whatever that means) and "The dark ages" are inherently non-encyclopedic. If eras had specific names, then they must have been widely used and defined by sources. That is why so many time periods are simply generalized by a player or manager that defined that time period instead of some fan-made name. I am going to say it again, put the stick down and just wait a year or so for this era to define itself. Yosemiter (talk) 17:31, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

I think we'll have to have a new header by March, especially if they're doing very good, players and record wise The Speller (talk) 23:37, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2019

I want to add LeBron James and Lonzo Ball to the injured list. Finlayhogan (talk) 10:13, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Babymissfortune 13:12, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2019

Under Retired Numbers Kobe Bryant's Tenure is incorrect. Robgarcia5 (talk) 20:00, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Please provide the correct information you want included, including a citation to a reliable source. RudolfRed (talk) 20:14, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
@RudolfRed: The tenure for Bryant is correct in the "Retired numbers" section. He wore the no. 8 jersey in 1996–2006 and the switched to no. 24 in 2006–2016. – Sabbatino (talk) 20:25, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Leadership

Would like to see all sports team Wikipedia articles include a simple table . . . . 

         Coach(es)        GM(s)            Owner/Ownership Group
         -----------      -----------      ---------------------
1947-48 
1948-49 
1949-50 
1950-51 
 * 
 * 
 * 
 * 
 * 
 * 
 * 
 * 
2010-11 
2011-12 
2012-13

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Alpha-60 (talk • contribs) 01:54, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Lakers retired numbers image

This image should be updated to include #34 (Shaq), #8 and #24 (Kobe).

Megacheez (talk) 23:11, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Post-season wins record

There is something that needs to be corrected across every single mention of the 2000-2001 Lakers post-season record. I would like it to start here.

The record for the post-season performance is 16-1, not 15-1.

The NBA post-season does not consist of 16 games. It consists of four best-of-seven series -- three per conference (played in tournament style) and one between the winners of the eastern and western conference playoffs. A team can play as little as 4 games (if they are swept in the first round) and as many as 28 (if every series they play goes through all 7 games). In order for a team to win a championship, they have to win 16 games. An NBA champion, at least in the modern era and under normal circumstances, will win exactly 16 games. No more. No less.

The concept of this record is better described as "the Lakers needed 17 games/attempts to get their 16 wins". I understand the human mind's need to frame the postseason as a record out of 16, thereby making 1 loss read internally as 15-1, but at the same time it's as simple as going back and counting the number of wins the Lakers achieved if the concept of 16-1 is too hard to digest on its own. They won 16 games, and lost 1. 16-1.

I am expecting a lot of pushback on this, which is why I am explaining this so aggressively, in so many different ways. TheEndlessFrog (talk) 23:45, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

@TheEndlessFrog: The first round of the playoffs back in 2001 was a best-of-five series. Therefore, the 15–1 designation is correct. – Sabbatino (talk) 10:08, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2020

On March 6, 2020, when the Lakers beat the Milwaukee Bucks 113-103, the Lakers clinched their first playoff berth since 2013. LioTig90 (talk) 14:50, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 15:51, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 June 2020

197.231.201.241 (talk) 07:30, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. TheImaCow (talk) 07:32, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Kobe Bryant era

Here's what I think it should be

1996-2004: Return to glory - O'Neal and Bryant dynasty

2004-2007: Rebuilding

2007-2011: Return to championship form

2011-2013: Lean years - Part 2

2013-2016: The dark ages

2016-2018: Post-Bryant era

2018-present: The LeBron James era

— Preceding unsigned comment added by The Speller (talk • contribs) 04:57, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

I agree with everything, except one little exception: "the return to championship form". It seems like a rethoric strategy to make it look like Kobe won the rings as the only NBA star of the team, completely dismissing and disrespecting the six-time All-Star, 4 times all-NBA team and future Hall of Famer Pau Gasol in that sense. Gasol has more All-Star appearances than some legends of basketball such as Reggie Miller. The Lakers won 0 rings and reached 0 NBA finals in 2005-2007 in the post-Shaq era before the arrival of Gasol. No Gasol, no rings. It is a fact that the arrival of Gasol was what bring back the rings to the city, when the Kobe-Pau duo was created. And, just like the Shaq-Kobe duo is mentioned in the headlines, so whould be the Kobe-Pau duo.James343e (talk) 17:28, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
I'd recommend expediting the change of era from Post-Bryant to Lebron James/Anthony Davis or something of that sort. Especially if these guys are gonna be playing for a championship in a few weeks which as of now it certainly seems to be trending that wayManjolis (talk) 01:12, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
This isn't a fan site. The "LeBron" change has been suggested since 2018, and look how that last season went. The Lakers are not measured by trips to the conference finals, and Anthony Davis is a free agent after the season. Let's see how it plays out.—Bagumba (talk) 02:06, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Laker Mascot under Wiki homepage Edit Request

Hi Wiki,

Hello, I want to suggest a small, but urgent update to the Los Angeles Lakers page; "Chuck the condor" is the LA Clippers Mascot Not LA Lakers. On the Lakers home Wiki Page it has Chuck the Condor listed as the Lakers' mascot, this is incorrect. Laker nation would appreciate the swift change. Thank you!

-Ricky — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ricky R14 (talk • contribs) 08:20, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Ricky R14: I dont see this. Please be more specific about the location.—Bagumba (talk) 09:22, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
I agree with you Ricky R14 that "Chuck the condor" is not the mascot for the Los Angeles Lakers. However, after reading through the article, I did not see that this was listed anywhere in the article. Could you specify where this is included in order to assist with the removal? Jurisdicta (talk) 19:11, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 October 2020

Change 17 NBA titles to 12 NBA Titles and add 5 NBA Titles for the Minneapolis Lakers. Teams don't usually transfer their titles. Oaklahoma City Thunder don't acknowledge their title from when they were the Seattle Super Sonics. And also remove That they are tied with the Boston Celtics for 17 NBA Titles. The Boston Celtics won all their titles in Boston. Bostonceltics2020 (talk) 04:03, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. There are reliable sources that refer to the Lakers combined 17 titles. It's not clear that it is WP:UNDUE.—Bagumba (talk) 04:23, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 December 2020

Change Lebron James era to new showtime. Lebron does not deserve a laker era 76.87.43.182 (talk) 03:10, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 03:51, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 March 2021

q — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:644:8502:9AC0:15B9:6B91:7FBB:EF06 (talk) 21:43, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

"Kobe Bryant Era"

From 1996 to 2004, the consensus best and most important player on the Lakers was 3x Finals MVP Shaquille O'Neal. It is misleading to label this particular stretch of Lakers history as being part of the "Kobe Bryant Era". Instead, 1996 to 2004 should be described as the "O'Neal and Bryant era". 2601:246:4680:8AC0:D9D:E911:5DDB:D9C4 (talk) 02:28, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm also of this view generally. Many of the other subsections in the history section are as narrow as five years, but for some reason, 1996 to 2016 are lumped into one Kobe Bryant labelled span. The period 1996 to 2004, currently labelled "1996–2004: O'Neal and Bryant dynasty" should be its own section rather than a subsection of "the Kobe Bryant era", as it a distinct period of time for the team marked by three NBA championships. Certainly as distinct as "Building "Showtime" and "Post-"Showtime" dry spell" which are their own sections rather than subsections. CeltBrowne (talk) 11:58, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 July 2021

1996-2016 has to be deemed the Kobe Bryant era. He stayed with the franchise for 20 seasons. Shaq while he was a massive part of 3 titles, was only a part of the overall era. 1996-2004 deemed O'Neal, Bryant and Jackson as a sub heading. 2004-07 as playoff struggles. 2007-2011 Bryant and Gasol. 2011-16 Post Jackson Era. 2016 to 2018 Post Bryant Era. 2018 present the Lebron James era. Mambacita8242 (talk) 03:42, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 04:21, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 November 2021

change staples center to crypto.com center PMac1234 (talk) 02:10, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Staples Center will be renamed to Crypto.com Arena on 25 December, but is still officially named Staples Center until then. I'd recommend changing this when the page Staples Center itself is moved (which will probably be after 25 December, because Wikipedia refers to things by their common name, which is not always their official name). Tol (talk | contribs) @ 03:03, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Crypto.com Arena

Name of the arena will change to Crypto.com Arena 2A02:A44F:9200:1:8DC1:76F4:FC16:7331 (talk) 19:24, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Paragraph 5 2nd sentence of this article states "It was not until 1996 when the team drafted Kobe Bryant out of high school and signed star center Shaquille O'Neal that the Lakers returned to dominance." Kobe Bryant was drafted by the Charlotte Hornets as the 13th overall pick. <refhttps://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kobe-bryant-and-the-draft-day-trade-that-changed-nba-history/></ref> MystrE tha One (talk) 03:26, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

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Lakers championships

they only have 12 as the LA Lakers 5 championship wins belong to the Minneapolis lakers 2001:1970:58DE:E400:206A:EE42:4958:971 (talk) 07:49, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2022

Under the “Retired Numbers” section correct Kobe Bryant’s tenure from 1996-2006 to 1996-2016. 2601:844:4180:2410:552F:A4A0:C631:89B1 (talk) 23:37, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: I think those year ranges are for when he played under #8, the table goes on to note #24 was also retired after Bryant played under that number from 2006 to 2016 Cannolis (talk) 23:50, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Minority owners

Anschutz sold his share in 2021

Lakers Valued At $5.5 Billion In Anschutz Sale To Dodgers Owners (forbes.com) 24.153.222.162 (talk) 19:37, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Four Lakers—Abdul-Jabbar, Johnson, O'Neal, and Bryant—have won a combined eight NBA MVP awards.[19]

They have won more than eight NBA MVPS combined. 142.112.237.216 (talk) 09:45, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

I've reworded, as some of Kareem's were not with LA. —Bagumba (talk) 10:19, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Kobe

It says they drafted Kobe, but they did not, they traded for him! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Random023456789 (talk • contribs) 21:41, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Seems to have been fixed?—Bagumba (talk) 10:21, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2022

The Lakers have a combined 11 MVP awards among Abdul-Jabbar, Johnson, O’Neal, and Bryant. The page states 8 MVP awards. 23.240.105.185 (talk) 19:29, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime (open channel) 19:36, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2023

Add the following teams to rivalries

Phoenix Suns Portland TrailBlazers Philadephia 76ers

These squads are bigger rivals to the Lakers than the Clippers ever could be Accubro224 (talk) 05:00, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: The only ones currently listed are those notable enough to already have a standalone article.—Bagumba (talk) 08:16, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 May 2023

The Classic uniform should be removed because it is from the 2022-23 season.75.149.78.53 (talk) 17:54, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 11:12, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

update in team/league records

It appears the Lakers' number of finals appearances hasn't been updated since they won in 2020. It currently says 31 with sources accessed in 2009 and 2010, and should say 32 with those source retrievals updated. Churdle76 (talk) 04:55, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

good work 2603:6011:2F0:1C00:5721:A551:9419:5819 (talk) 15:56, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
@Churdle76 Even the coverage of the basketball seasons in the article hasn't been updated since 2021... Stevenmitchell (talk) 20:49, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Article Needs to be Updated

Particularly for a sports article, information needs to regularly updated to maintain its currency. This article hasn't been updated since 2021, with the exception of seasonal standings. What happened to the Lakers since the off-season of 2021? That's 2 whole seasons that are missing. It's especially pertinent because the LA Lakers are about to be eliminated from the NBA playoffs. Stevenmitchell (talk) 20:55, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

there's a mistake in this line

Led by league MVP O'Neal, the Lakers won 31 of their first 36 games. They finished 67–15, the highest win total since they won 65 in the 1986–87 season. The eliminated Sacramento and Phoenix in the first two rounds of the playoffs.

The should be They 86.115.61.20 (talk) 23:05, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

  1. ^ http://blog.cleveland.com/andone/2009/06/history_of_the_nbl_an_intervie.html
  2. ^ http://www.apbr.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1910
  3. ^ http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/
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