Talk:List of tallest buildings in Detroit/Archive 1

regarding the criteria for inclusion, any building 15 storeys or taller will be mentioned. 14 storeys and below will NOT be mentioned. Raccoon Fox • Talk • Stalk 03:53, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of image[edit]

I beleive that the last image in the Tallest buildings section should be removed. Being number 32 is not very important. Also, it is creating an empty space to the left. --Leitmanp 22:28, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the image is "unimportant" for being a lower rank than other buildings; not only the tallest buildings should be displayed. However, the white space is a problem; my browser does not show any, but apparently this is not true for all browsers. ~~I therefore agree that it should be removed.~~ Rai-me 22:53, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Now after removing the image, I see a very large amount of white space to the right of the screen, much larger than on any other building list. Does any other user have this problem? Rai-me 22:59, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I use Internet Explorer. Before the image was removed, there was a large empty space below the list. After the removal, everything lined up. After reading what happened with your browser, I opened up Safari. With the absence of the image, I see an empty area where the image should be. I then looked at the archives to see how the page looked with the image. On Safari, there is no blank space. So, everything depends on which program you use. --Leitmanp 23:18, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I also use Internet Explorer, and yet still see the space without the image, whereas it appreared perfectly lined up with the image in place. What would your overall assessment be - remove or keep the image? Rai-me 00:07, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It would be better to have an empty space on the side of the page than in the center (where it would be more obvious). I think we should keep it how it currently is. --Leitmanp 01:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, that sounds fine to me. Rai-me 01:55, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

RenCen story count and floor count[edit]

Renaissance Center is 73 story tower with 70 floors. [1]. The reason is that the restaurant atop the RenCen takes up the three floors at the top in layers. Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 15:48, 21 August 2009 (UTC)Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 15:47, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That article says it the Marriott is a 74-story building, and I don't see anything about 70 floors. A floor and a story are the same thing, so how can the floor count be different? If the restaurant takes up additional floors, then those floors should be added to the floor count. Cheers, Rai•me 15:50, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, we have a bit of a problem. Emporis gives a count of 70, as does Structurae. The link above from the developer gives a count of 74, but the Renaissance Center's official page gives a count of 73 floors. I'm not sure which one to use in this case, but we have to use only one. Cheers, Rai•me 15:55, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are 3 more floors for the restaurant and lounge making 73 the correct number. If you are saying that story is the same as floor, then the correct number is 73. The RenCen says "73 floors". [2]. The elevator definitely goes above 70 floors. The restaurant and lounge are tiered and open. Emporis is not always right. Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 16:14, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I never said Emporis was always correct - I just said that if you change the story count to 73, you need to provide a ref to source the new floor count for the information to be verifiable. Neither Hines nor the RenCen's official website are suitable to use in the list, as they are both primary sources that are not independent of the subject. But yes, the floor count is the same as the story count. Note that sometimes the 70th floor could be marked as "73" (for example, if the building skips the 13th floor or counts a basement floor as floor 1), so if that is the case, then a floor count of 70 is correct even if the elevator is marked with 73 floors. -- Rai•me 16:27, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Raime, wasn't saying you were saying that Emporis was always right. Merely pointing out that I've encounted incorrect figures on emporis in the past. On one hand, Emporis does admit that the restaurant and lounge are on the 71st and 72nd floor, so they are contradicting themselves using the 70 number. Skimore Ownings and Merrill architects claim the Renaissance Center has "75" stories on their website.[3] Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 16:44, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I misunderstood :) But like I said above, it isn't necessarily a contradiction - the 70th floor can be marked as the 73rd floor if basement floors are numbered and the 13th floor is excluded. I would say that we should leave the 73 count, with a note saying that the count is disputed within a range of 70 to 75. I'm curious to know what SkyscraperPage puts as the official count - unfortunately, that building database will be down for a few days. Cheers, Rai•me 17:43, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agree we should use the 73 story count. Portman, web page lists the Peach Tree Plaza as 73 stories and the two towers are supposed to be architectural twins with the Renaissance Center one meter taller. The height of the complex is officially figured from the main entrance along Atwater Dr. Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 17:57, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I changed the count throughout the article. Doers this sound good for a note to add next to the count in the main Tallest buildings list? "General Motors, the owner of the Detroit Marriott at the Renaissance Center, maintains that the building has 73 floors. Hines Development, the developer of the building, gives a floor count of 74, while architect Skidmore, Owens, and Merrill gives a floor count of 75. Emporis and other building database sites usually give the floor count as 70. This table uses the floor count of 73 as stated officially by the building's owner.

Note sounds good except Hines is the property management firm. Emporis took a long time to correct their old inaccurate height figure for the Renaissance Center too by the way.Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 18:15, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The source: Meyer, Katherine Mattingly and Martin C.P. McElroy with Introduction by W. Hawkins Ferry, Hon A.I.A. (1980). Detroit Architecture A.I.A. Guide Revised Edition. Wayne State University Press. ISBN 0-8143-1651-4.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link), states that the Renaissance Center has 73 stories, which is probably the correct number since its architectural twin the Peach Tree Plaza also lists. The main entrance for the Renaissance Center is at ground level riverside along Atwater Street.Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 20:12, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I only signed up to correct an error which I am now asking, hopefully in the right place, someone to do for me as I don't want to intrude or do something rude. Anyway, the timeline of Detroit's tallest buildings incorrectly states the Saint Josephs catholic church was the tallest from 1871-1877. You need only read the reference cited to know this is false. The bell tower and spire were added much later. This building was never the tallest in the city. brbg

Cadillac Square Building[edit]

This building should be listed and isn't. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:37, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cadillac Square Building was 22 stories tall, and was torn down. Not sure on its height.7&6=thirteen (☎) 00:35, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean this building should be listed in the Timeline section? Is there a reference supporting the claim that it was the tallest in the city? Cheers, Rai•me 00:20, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't tall enough at 250ft roof height and 295 structural height to fit into the timeline.Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 01:28, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]