Talk:List of ambassadors of Great Britain to France

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The United Kingdom and Great Britain are basically the same state, I suggest that this be somehow merged with the UK list of ambassadors to Paris. --RJR3333 (talk) 18:32, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I respectfully disagree. The United Kingdom and Great Britain are fundamentally different - for instance, Great Britain never included any part of Ireland. In my view, the heads of missions to France before the creation of the UK do not belong on a page which includes 'United Kingdom' in its title. Moonraker (talk) 20:59, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well in a merged article we could still point out the difference between the Kingdom of Great Britain and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, having three separate articles for each successor state seems ridiculous to me. --RJR3333 (talk) 21:44, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not quite sure whether this proposal includes merging English and Scottish ambassadors to France to the same list? In theory, they could all go into a single page with a suitable new name, which would not specify "United Kingdom", such as List of ambassadors of England, Scotland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom to France, or else (without Scotland) Ambassadors from the Court of St James's to France, but for me the neatest way to deal with the quite different historic states within the British Isles is what we have. The differences between England, Scotland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom are as great as those between Bavaria, the Holy Roman Empire, East Germany and Germany. Moonraker (talk) 00:12, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the difference between England, Scotland, and Great Britain is large, but not the difference between Great Britain and the UK. Scotland was an independent kingdom until 1707, Ireland was just a British colony. And it didn't play a substantial role in UK politics until the 1820s. Also are we going to then create a separate article about the UK of Great Britain and Northern Ireland's ambassadors to France? --RJR3333 (talk) 01:57, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On a point of detail, Ireland was not a British colony, although its limited degree of self-government did not go so far as the sending of ambassadors. When you say "it didn't play a substantial role in UK politics until the 1820s", the very creation of the UK was the fall-out of the Irish Rebellion of 1798. Moonraker (talk) 02:43, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On a point of detail when Ireland was a "kingdom" it had less independence than some of Britain's North American colonies. --RJR3333 (talk) 23:05, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]