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Chil was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 05 November 2009 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into List of The Jungle Book characters. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

Merge with The Jungle Book characters[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result was merge into List of The Jungle Book characters. -- Goustien (talk) 20:34, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support merging with The Jungle Book characters. Pages for individual characters have also been proposed (wrongly in my opinion) for deletion. I would suggest the usual Wikipedia practices are observed, and articles that are no more than a paragraph or two are also merged in here, preferably by someone with interest or expertise about Kipling, which doesn't include me. --Cedders^tk 13:31, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
'Support as nominator. See no valid reason at all to have two separate character lists. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 14:06, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
support also. I agree with AnmaFinotera here--it is better to have one list. Perhaps we should consider a sortable list, so as to have them both by name and work.DGG (talk) 05:49, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support --ElfQrin (talk) 21:33, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Merge with Colonel Hathi (and others)[edit]

Oppose - for Hathi at least, Support for minor characters with minimal articles. We already have several articles on Hathi-related topics that are Disney media related to the character (Colonel Hathi's March & Jungle Cubs for starters). If anything needs to be merged or deleted, surely it should be the trivial spin-offs first, not an article that's of reasonable size as it stands and would look elephantine(sorry) merged into a list? Andy Dingley (talk) 15:44, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The point here is not to eliminate separate articles for significant characters--the point here is only to merge the list from the disney and the Kipling, because the characters are basically identical, and the differences will be clearer if they are indicated. DGG (talk) 06:15, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's a separate merge discussion, and maybe justified for that scope. I came to this talk page from Colonel Hathi, which is also tagged for merge. I've added a header to try and make things clearer. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:25, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose. For every character. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.160.219.247 (talk) 15:17, 8 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merge of individual characters[edit]

When it comes to Kipling, we are dealing with classic fiction, not soap opera, and there is a large literature on the stories-- see WorldCat. Classic children's literature is a major field of interest in the academic world, and the sources reflect it. I think that any character with a distinctive name could probably be found discussed in the reference book, such asPage, Norman. A Kipling Companion. London: Macmillan, 1984. Certain those characters serving as more than background names should be kept separate, as well as any whose names are generally known. The best way to deal with the ones that are merged is to have about a paragraph, referring specifically as references to the exact story and the exact place in the adaptations. If there's a separate article, normally it will be more than a paragraph, & then there should be one or two sentences here in the list, according to summary style, with the full article separate. For some of the clearly notable characters in video games and soap operas there will beacademcic literature in the future, but tyhis is material where the literature is present now. DGG (talk) 05:49, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: each character deserves its page, especially because of their role in a Pack of Cub Scouts. --ElfQrin (talk) 21:34, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: agree with ElfQrin, also because these characters appear in several media and their pages can be expanded a lot. --Superchilum^{(talk to me!)} 08:26, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More etymologies[edit]

Mysa, possibly from Marathi म्हैसा mhaisā buffalo. Compare Hindi (dialect) म्हैंस mhaiṅs

Mor, from Hindi मोर mor peacock

Chikai. Compare Hindi चिक्का (cikkā) muskrat, mouse

Chil. Hindi चील cīl kite

Sahi. Hindi साही sāhī porcupine

Ko. Possibly from Hindi कोको koko crow

Thuu. Compare Hindi थू thū the sound made in spitting (cobras spit)

Hindi बन्दर bandar monkey, बन्दर लोग bandar log monkeys

درزي darzī tailor is Urdu (a Persian loan)

This information is from Platts, John T. (John Thompson). A dictionary of Urdu, classical Hindi, and English. London: W. H. Allen & Co., 1884. There is an online version

Wjvanb (talk) 14:22, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The description for Jacala the crocodile previously stated: "Jacala (Crocodile) Is killed by hunters while conversing with Tabaqui." Not true - whoever wrote that is confusing Jacala and Tabaqui with the Mugger and the Jackal from The Undertakers, which isn't a Mowgli story. Lee M (talk) 06:19, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Is Hathi Jr. Really a Baby?[edit]

Where has it been officially mentioned that Hathi Jr. is a baby? He certainly doesn't talk like a baby, but I know for sure he's young.Cbsteffen (talk) 21:37, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A reoccurring issue regarding Shere Khan.[edit]

As everyone knows, Shere Khan is the main antagonist of The Jungle Book and Mowgli's arch-enemy. However it seems either one or a very small group of individuals either take issue with mentioning this at all(such as Khan's own page, with the argument being a lack of direct sources stating such, despite pages of other main antagonists mentioning their roles as such despite also not being sourced), or mention it, but claim he "shares" the role with a minor human hunter antagonist(again with no sources backing up this false claim), or both refuse to mention Khan's role as main antagonist anywhere yet constantly refer to a different human hunter character that only appeared in a 1994 live- action adaptation as the antagonist of that film(once again with no sources).

It seems like a couple of individuals are obsessed with downplaying Khan's role in the story while exaggerating the role of human hunter characters, probably influenced by a couple of live-action adaptations that did the same while ignoring the actual source material and the vast majority of adaptions where Shere Khan is the main antagonist and the human hunter characters are either accurately portrayed as more minor antagonists or left out completely. I have no idea if this is just confusion from watching the aforementioned adaptations or false information they read elsewhere or something more malicious, but it needs to stop as it spreads false information and misleads people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:183:C100:8B:C987:E7C:EE62:191A (talk) 15:10, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessary comparisons to Disney[edit]

About the characters in "In The Mowgli Stories" section, for some reason, people keep adding comparisons to their Disney counterparts despite the fact that that information is completely irrelevant to Kipling's works. I would ask anyone to stop doing that because it is not necessary. That section is supposed to be about Kipling's representation of The Jungle Book characters, not Disney's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.160.219.247 (talk) 14:59, 8 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

father wolf have no name and two names spelled wrong[edit]

I thought Father-Wolf was nameless in the books (he's only called Rama in the Disney-version, and there's already a Rama in the form of the buffalo). Also shouldn't "Leela" and "Messua" really be spelled "Lala" and "Meshua"?184.186.4.209 (talk) 05:21, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Gajjini[edit]

This article claims that Hathi has a wife called Gajjini, who was apparently the inspiration for Winifred in the Disney cartoon. I do not recall this character appearing in any stories, nor can I find any information on her, so if this character is real which story does she appear? 109.249.185.37 (talk) 15:04, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sea Cow[edit]

It is mentioned in The White Seal that Sea Cow has only six cervical vertebrae^[1]. Now Steller's sea cows have seven as mentioned in the penultimate paragraph of Steller's sea cow#Description while all three species of manatees have only six (see Manatee#Description, penultimate paragraph), which is very rare for a mammal. I had changed the Sea Cow item accordingly but it has been reverted. I don't want to start an editing war by changing it again but please reconsider. — Tonymec (talk) 05:11, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ The Jungle Book page 163 at Wikisource: "…Sea Cow did not answer, because Sea Cow cannot talk. He has only six bones in his neck where he ought to have seven, and they say under the sea that that prevents him from speaking even to his companions;…"

Horribly lacking in sourcing[edit]

There is no meaningful sourcing for any of this, least of all the linguistic notes. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:27, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Leela Source[edit]

Where did the person who wrote this article get Leela/Lala from? I know Lala was a character in the Nippon Animation Anime adaptation, Shonen Mowgli. But where was it in the original books? I couldn't find it myself when looking up the copies of it on Archive.Org The Jungle Book : Kipling Rudyard : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive The second jungle book : Kipling, Rudyard, 1865-1936, author : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive Tcr11050 (talk) 02:57, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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