Talk:List of Christmas films/Archive 1

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What the initial creator of this article has to say

I'm sorry about the lack of information. You want to delete it? Wait. People will eventually ad to it. Me too once I think of what TO ad.

This article is a stub please help me and Wikipedia by expanding it—Preceding unsigned comment added by Wuffyz (talk • contribs) 21:23, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

What Santa Clause Martinez, a reader of this page has to say.

I don't think it should be deleted, because people need this information.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.134.239.34 (talk) 07:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

It's a Wonderful Life?

I'm wondering how much Christmas is intigral to the plot in It's a Wonderful Life. It seems to me the same movie could be told at any time of the year. Joseph wouldn't have sent Clarence if George Bailey was contemplating suicide on October 2? George would not realize how wonderful his life truly is unless it were Christmas Eve?

Before editing, though, I would like some feedback from others Scott 06:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonpraises (talk • contribs) 06:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I hear you. According to film critic Roger Ebert: "Frank Capra never intended "It's a Wonderful Life" to be pigeonholed as a 'Christmas picture.' This was the first movie he made after returning from service in World War II, and he wanted it to be special--a celebration of the lives and dreams of America's ordinary citizens, who tried the best they could to do the right thing by themselves and their neighbors." But I disagree with you that the "same movie could be told at any time of the year." The makers of the film, who were working from a story that was at first printed on holiday greeting cards, stuck with the holiday setting for the climax of the film for a reason. Christmas is essential to the success of the film. As the film goes on, director Frank Capra added layer upon layer of drama. The final, backbreaking layer is Christmas. It is a time when all in Bedford Falls are supposed to be happy but Jimmy Stewart's character, drown in self-pity is not. It is the 'Christmas innocence' of his children that finally breaks his cycle of self-destruction and he lifts himself out of the depression. If anything, it's a particularly heavy-handed use of Christmas as a plot device. -- Ego Nemo 24.211.185.0 (talk) 19:34, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm on the fence. BTW, it was released on December 20 1946, so I suppose that adds weight to the argument that it's a specifically Christmas movie, even though Christmas factors into only about 5% of its runtime. Softlavender (talk) 22:59, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

On Merging with 'Christmas television specials'

AGAINST: This article, Christmas Films, was originally intended -- and remains intent -- on keeping the focus on cinematic features that whose first run were in theatrical release. In other words, movies shown in movie theaters. The current section on "made for TV movies" should be merged with Christmas television specials. -- Ego Nemo 24.211.187.175 (talk) 20:43, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

TV specials aren't the same as TV movies. I can see a good argument for cutting all the non-notable TV movies, most of which aren't worth mentioning anywhere in Wikipedia.--Prosfilaes 17:38, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

On Merging with 'Christmas in the media'

AGAINST: It appears it was already merged, and none of any text or images from this page was transfered to Christmas in the media. This page has so much useful info and it made me sad to see it all go away. Then I reverted it. --Wuffyz 21:01, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Can you revert the Tevlevision Specials page?—Preceding unsigned comment added by DanDud88 (talk • contribs) 21:23, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

    • What do you want me to do? Be more specific. Wuffyz 04:51, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

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The Night Before Christmas

There are a couple of Russian plays linked to from The Night Before Christmas (disambiguation), which are adaptations of the Gogol story, but I'm not familiar enough with the story to place them in category one or two.--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:01, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

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Categorization

Right now, I have an objection to the categorization. It's a great idea; two seperate sections for movies that either directly involve Christmas, or don't directly involve Christmas. But I would like to see a better definition of the two categories. Right now, Home Alone is placed in category 2, which is not directly related to Christmas. Let me make it clear that I don't think Home Alone is directly related to Christmas, it is about a boy who is left home and needs to fend off burglars, it could take place in the summer and still be a great movie, although one reason he really feels bad about his family's abscense is because it is Christmas. But I still think it is a category 2, because it is not directly related to Christmas, however, it is directly related to many Christmas traditions, such as traveling, which is why Kevin got left at home. This is why I would like to see a better definition so it would be easier to categorize these. Right now, I agree that it is a category 2, but it's on the border.

Should there be a category 3? That way we could leave Home Alone where it is and move others that only feature a brief occurance of Christmas, such as Cast Away. Still, I would like to see better definitions of the categories.

On a side note, category 1 is organized by release date, whereas category 2 is organized by name. Is there a reason or should I fix that? --Wuffyz (talk) 00:32, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

  • I've moved the Home Alones, since you and I (see below) both commented that they aren't specifically Christmas movies. Softlavender (talk) 23:02, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
I think a category 4 may be in order, to siphon off films like Citizen Kane which only have the tiniest passing reference to Christmas. Softlavender (talk) 02:09, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Home alone is a Christmas movie, LoL BTW, I think this list wld be better if it was in order by date!? (Also it's a wonderful life is also a Christmas movie!) Just my opinions, blessings SandcastleLyndy (talk) 02:01, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Need some sort of confirmation for all these films

I specifically would like confirmation for:

These (mainly thriller/action films) don't seem to apply, and require some sort of substantiation that they are shown broadly, somewhere, around Christmas-time. Unverified films may be challenged and removed. Softlavender (talk) 02:09, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Seconded! Actually, most of the movies in Category 3 need some sort of explanation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.204.135.33 (talk) 04:31, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't see any explanations on any one of the Category 3 movies at all. Wuffyz 02:53, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
  • See below -- I've removed that entire category and placed it in a subpage. Softlavender (talk)

Are the "Home Alone" movies Category 1?

I don't even consider Home Alone (the original) a specifically Christmas movie, even if it happens around the holidays and has a couple of Xmas tunes in the soundtrack. It's really a totally year-round entertainment movie, and I personally think it should go into the catgory of "Movies related to Christmas," because it has more in common with them. The same goes even moreso for the Home Alone sequels. Does anyone agree with this? Softlavender (talk) 11:53, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of the "not related to Christmas" movies

I propose deletion of the entire category of movies in no way related to Christmas. These movies have nothing to do with Christmas. It is debatable whether they are "traditionally" shown at Christmastime. Even if they are, or sometimes are, who cares? This ever-growing list (people are just sticking anything and everything into the list) is cluttering up an already over-large (44,000-byte and ever-growing) article. Softlavender (talk) 12:00, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I went ahead and did this and saved the category in a subpage: Movies not related to Christmas. Softlavender (talk) 12:06, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
They are back! Unless someone objects in the next few days, I will remove them again... Shadzane (talk) 04:50, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

No actors in listings, please

This article is getting way too long again, and is ever-growing. Please don't list actors or stars in the descriptions, unless perhaps there are multiple versions of the exact same title and perhaps an actor's name helps differentiate (even then it's probably not necessary). Thanks. Softlavender (talk) 13:05, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Addition

The Star Wars Holiday Special 1978 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star_Wars_Holiday_Special —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.247.160.140 (talk) 20:00, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Should White Christmas (film)(1954) be added to the list? 108.93.33.155 (talk) 22:07, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

The animated film The Snowman (1982) would be a valuable addition to the list.Gerald H -oldeststudent2004- (talk) 04:49, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Here are a few items I will add soon once I get less busy: Both South Park pilots, the Star Wars Holiday Special, The Christmas Raccoons, and Christmas Comes To Pac-Land.172.1.74.86 (talk) 23:44, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Combining pages and cleaning up

I think that the theatrically released Christmas films page should be added to this one and that page deleted and then I think that there should be a separate page for films set around Christmastime as that takes up half the space of the page but is of less importance. I think we should also get rid of the sections like "Christmas films featuring dogs" and instead just have a "Direct to DVD" section (which all of those fall under). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dilute13 (talk • contribs) 11:11, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

I have made a new page for "List of films related to Christmas" and removed them from this page. I would like to add the theatrically released christmas films to this page as there aren't very many of them and might do that tomorrow. The live action section of this page needs a lot of work as most of them are theatrically released films even though right now there is a separate page for those. Dilute13 (talk) 11:28, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Type of movies

I think we should add a column to indicate the type of movies, as in live action or animated. What do you think?--Krystaleen 16:38, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Die Hard and Die Hard 2

These two movies are not Christmas movies. Just because the film takes place around Christmas does not in and of itself make the movie a Christmas movie. Thematically, Christmas is effectively irrelevant and it could be substituted with myriad other holidays in the plots of the films. 2605:E000:3503:EC00:F8CB:79CF:ACE9:D796 (talk) 05:00, 9 December 2018 (UTC)kino connoisseur

Hear, hear! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:24D0:93C0:60A7:678E:D9C9:8A5F (talk) 02:24, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Erm, actually the Die Hard films are Christmas films. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.195.120.125 (talk) 12:11, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Die Hard 2 is a Christmas film like Die hard 1 yet when i try and add it to Christmas Action films it gets reverted why? 92.30.166.175 (talk) 15:12, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Because you haven't provided a source for your claim that it's a Christmas film, most likely. DonIago (talk) 16:09, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

I get that Die Hard IS a Xmas movie, and I get that it is NOT a Xmas movie.

What I don't get is why Die Hard is off the list WHILE Eyes Wide Shut is on it. Vincent (talk) 01:29, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

...but Die Hard is on the list... DonIago (talk) 14:14, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
So it is! My mistake. I should not comment on a page I am reading on my phone rather than on a proper PC. I'll miss things like that.
But I am still surprised Eyes Wide Shut is on the list. Vincent (talk) 15:06, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
While I personally feel this list could benefit from some more conservative selection criteria, it's worth noting that Eyes Wide Shut has an entire (sourced) section about the Christmas setting. In that regard, if anything I might argue it's more appropriate for inclusion than Die Hard. DonIago (talk) 15:38, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
"But I am still surprised Eyes Wide Shut is on the list." Have you actually seen the film? A Christmas party sets the whole plot going, Christmas decorations are omnipresent, and Christmas trees keep appearing in unexpected places. It reminds me a bit of The Ogre of Athens (1956), where the main character's poverty, loneliness, desperation, and violent death are juxtaposed with traditional festivities for New Year's Day. Dimadick (talk) 19:02, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

While this thread is seeing some activity, what are other editors' thoughts on cleaning up the "Christmas (genre) films" where the clearest relationship to Christmas is that they're coincidentally set during the holiday? As established above, sources can be provided for such films as Die Hard and Eyes Wide Shut, and per WP:LISTV likely should be, as a way of establishing that there's some coverage out there linking them to the holiday, but I rather have my doubts about multiple other entries on this list. DonIago (talk) 17:16, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Citations needed

I know nobody wants to hear this, but per WP:LISTVERIFY, theoretically every entry on this list really should have a source to establish that it is in fact considered a "Christmas film", though I think that's probably unnecessary for the adaptation entries and possibly others. Additionally, the article's been tagged for needing citations since February of this year.

Note that a linked article having sourcing isn't sufficient per WP:CIRCULAR.

In the spirit of the holidays I won't make any changes at this time, but I suspect at some point I'll come back and try to clean-up the unsourced/unclear entries. DonIago (talk) 16:29, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

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