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San Lorenzo Port??? NOT!!

The Maritime Transport section of the article states that "There have been plans to build a new megaport on the island of San Lorenzo known as the San Lorenzo Megaport Project. This port is planned to become the largest of Latin America."

This is just a blatant lie.

There's no official project to build a port in San Lorenzo Island. The current official project in San Lorenzo is about housing, NOT ports (http://www.proinversion.gob.pe/0/0/modulos/JER/PlantillaFichaHijo.aspx?ARE=0&PFL=0&JER=4096). As a matter of fact, the so called San Lorenzo port project has no backing technical studies whatsoever and has never been picked by the Peruvian government, due to the fact that it's not economically feasable at all. It has never been considered. The only port project currently taking place in Callao is the Dubai Ports World "Muelle Sur" project, which is under development. According to the National Ports System Act (Ley 27943), for a public port project to be developed, it has to be included in the National Ports Development Plan, which is not the case with San Lorenzo. For more info (in Spanish) check out the National Ports Authority of Peru's website www.apn.gob.pe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supermellowman (talk • contribs) 15:37, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Coordinate error

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longide coordinate value for Lima (PE) city is incorrect, please check. Real is around 77ª. BR

201.230.72.10 (talk) 07:03, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

And 77 deg is what is already given in the infobox. If something else is given somewhere else in the article, I can't find it. Coords appear to be correct, unless I'm missing something. Regards, TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 22:26, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

oscar anemo// yousif shamasha

Lima är en fin stad men det luktar inte gott :S —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.200.163.36 (talk) 10:44, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

First section is illogical

The first section has some statements that I believe are opinions and difficult to justify objectively. "... one of the most important cities in the world leveled with Tokyo, New York, Paris, London, Sydney and Dubai." Based on what measurement?

The following statement makes no sense: "Lima's Commerce and economy are classified as the biggest percentage in South America." Percentage of what? Finally, this statement is logically inconsistent: "Along with Santiago, São Paulo, Buenos Aires, and Caracas, Lima is the second most important city in South America after São Paulo." Marzolian (talk) 15:06, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

It's been improved. Nice job. Marzolian (talk) 22:03, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

It still needs improvement. It states that as a "major beta world city" it is on the same level as New York, London, Paris which are obviously ranked as "alpha cities". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.230.53.116 (talk) 12:19, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Events section needs to be trimmed

I'm seeing that the events section is becoming a laundry list of high profile acts who have played in Lima. Is this really necessary? Couldn't we just put "many high-profile acts have played concerts in Lima," and just leave it at that? I would like to think we could put in an example of a high profile act, but there's no way to determine who should make the cut, vs who doesn't, and then people would just do all over again what's already been done: make this a laundry list. Another thing is that this section strongly favors American and English recording acts, when Lima is obviously going to have major Spanish speaking/South American concerts and such that don't seem to be recorded. Anyone have any thoughts on this before we make some changes? Hires an editor (talk) 13:50, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

70% White and White-Amerindian

According to a 2008 survey by the Instituto de Opinión Pública de la Pontificia Universidad Católica del Perú, 70% is considered White and White-Amerindian, 30% are considered by other groups. http://iop.pucp.edu.pe/images/documentos/2008%20ENERO%20LIMA%20LIMA.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vasco-peruano (talk • contribs) 01:05, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

  • That's not true. I clicked on your link, and it says 7% white, 63% mestizo, 18% amerindian. You apparently created your own categories? etc. etc. Rafajs77 (talk) 02:06, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

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Collage in Infobox

It is usual Wikipedia practice to include a collage in the Infobox of place Wikipedia articles — city, country… —. It does not disrupt reading at all, and it illustrates the subject. Illustrating is an important part of Wikipedia, and of all other encyclopedias. The collage in the Infobox informs and makes the page look nicer and makes the page more attractive and more pleasant to read.

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Contradicting Info

In the introductory section I read, "With a population fast approaching 9 million, Lima is the fifth largest city in Latin America, behind Mexico City, São Paulo, Buenos Aires and Rio de Janeiro"

This seems to contradict the population estimates in the overview section on the right-hand side for these cities. Lima's population is listed at 7,605,742, while Buenos Aires is listed at 2,891,082, and Rio de Janeiro is listed at 6,323,037. I know population depends on how you measure it, but this is confusing and Buenos Aires doesn't even seem close (although I would have thought it would be more). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aknittel (talk • contribs) 19:17, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

The problem isn't population, but where it's defined as being. Metro area or city limits? There should be a way to make all the entries use the same concept for the definition in various articles about cities...but I think that may be too hard...Hires an editor (talk) 17:07, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Callout for a NEW main Lima Image

The Main image of Lima,Peru 'the top of Cerro San Cristobal' was taken on the 21st of September 2003. I think this photo is considerably outdated, and a much recent photo would suffice in portraying the city of Lima more accurately......... VineViVenci (talk) 13:18, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

I totally agree, that image is a disgrace. Untill a new one is found, it should be taken down. 203.134.11.248 (talk) 10:29, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Why is it disgrace? It shows the city's core from one of it's most traditional vantage points. I think it's alright. --Victor12 (talk) 13:52, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

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New Lima Main Image

The pic of Lima from the San Cristobal Hill should be replaced. It just shows one view of the city, while Limaperu1.jpg feels like a proper city collage highlighting the most important parts of the city, like in various other city articles. What do you guys think?

File:Limaperu1.jpg
I think that the image we have is fine, and should stay the same. It shows an unvarnished view of the city, as a previous poster indicates, in an iconic way. We should not attempt to make this article about a city into a brochure. Wikipedia is not a guidebook. Wikipedia is not a means of promotion. The edit history of this article over the last few years has been a basic edit war to prevent this article from becoming full of "peacock images". There are various images that demonstrate notable things about Lima in the article already. Another reason for leaving the image alone is that we don't need to imitate other articles, which is an argument that has been made before. Just because other articles do it, doesn't mean we need to do it that way here. Hires an editor (talk) 14:44, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Actually infoboxes of cities across wikipedia are slowling being changed to this sort of image because it better represents the locations that are the subject of the article. Infoboxes are supposed to give quick summaries of the article and these do a better job of that then a single image. It also helps cut down on the number of images in the main body of the article which often creates clutter. This certainly isn't the only page where this style is used and eventually most will likely be converted to this style. Now in saying that I don't know if these are the best landmarks to show. Usually the images put in a cities collage show a mix of history, culture and current. So if its the pictures that are the problem its easy enough to find better representative pictures. But we definitely should make the change. It drastically helps out the page. -DJSasso (talk) 13:30, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
One of the better examples I know of is File:Calgarymontage4.jpg because it has an image of a very unique landmark, then it has a picture indicating some of the cities culture which is of the Calgary Stampede, the worlds largest outdoor rodeo and what the city is best known for, then it has another shot of the Olympic Winter Games ski jumps which shows its past as an Olympic Host City, and then it has some images of other history buildings to show its past and then it has a a good picture that shows its greenspaces. Overall it gives a quick well rounded outline of the city in a single image, which is what the purpose of the infobox is. It has also helped drastically cut down the number of images that would get thrown into the body of the article cluttering it up. -DJSasso (talk) 13:50, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

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Blake24 - Images

I'd like to try to understand the images issue, because I'm not. Why keep adding images? Hires an editor (talk) 03:06, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 10 February 2013 Ubicacion de LIMA en el Mapa

La Ubicacion de Lima , capital del Perú , en el mapa esta erronea , sale cerca de YURIMAGUAS y no en el lugar que le corresponde. 85.49.251.211 (talk) 22:10, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

State your request in English, please. RudolfRed (talk) 22:40, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 13 February 2013

I need your help; Why Lima, Peru "[1]" on the map of Facebook appears in "Yurimaguas-Loreto, Peru" need to be changed! Thanks in advance for your answers and modifications. 200.106.105.154 (talk) 17:41, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, Wikipedia does not control Facebook content. Rivertorch (talk) 20:27, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Language - edit request

The text currently reads: "Lima's Spanish is characterized by the lack of strong innotations..." Does someone know what "innotations" is a typo for? This should be fixed. Jd2718 (talk) 17:20, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

FRANCISCO PIZARRO, FOUNDER OF LIMA There should be a picture of Francisco Pizarro, the founder of the city of Lima.--83.34.142.186 (talk) 07:33, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

PIZARRO FOUNDED LIMA There should be a picture from Francisco Pizarro, the founder of Lima.--83.37.96.205 (talk) 20:21, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Fair use/non-copyrighted or otherwise questionable ownership collage

I think I've been persuaded that a collage of images of Lima is a good thing, but over the last few years collages have been removed for violation of copyright or unsure ownership - if we put another one, can whoever it is that is making them follow the proper procedure to make sure they are properly showed as owned/fair use images or whatever is required to make sure it doesn't get deleted again? Hires an editor (talk) 17:33, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Additional Info for Lima Article

Hello everyone, I am a Peruvian born and raised in Lima, currently studying in the US. I want to improve the Lima article in English with a focus in the points below. In general, I believe we could add more specificity and precision to certain key aspects to understanding the city. Please let me know what you think:

1. More specific demographics – There is not a detailed account of the distribution of ethnic, religious, and socioeconomic backgrounds in the city and more specifically in different areas of the city. This sentence is very general and imprecise: “There are also numerous Jews of European descent and Middle Easterners”. We should instead include the % of them from the entire Lima population. In addition the total population of the city has not been updated since 2007 and there is not a breakdown of population per district, which is key to understand the relative size of the city and the differences between the districts.

2. Recent history – Although there is a History section in the article, I find that the history is focused mostly up to the 1970's, with little information about recent history. The only information about the twentieth century is regarding immigration from Europe and less about the key historical events like terrorism in the 1980’s and the recent wave of immigration from the inner regions of the country in the last 30 years.

3. Political system – This section is also weak in that it does not include any specifics about how the city hall governs over the city and the relationship between the elected mayor of the city and the mayors of the specific districts. It also does not include the key events or developments in the city by past mayors, or even the recount of the mayors in the past 30 years.

4. Urban challenges – In reading the article, it would seem that Lima has very little social problems or challenges, when this is not the case. Therefore I would include more about security and crime challenges, access to basic services by district (like water and electricity), and results in level of education, at least. This information can be backed up by data to add precision in the overall picture of the city. Finally, there could be more information about the environment in the city. Here, there could me a mention about environmental concerns, for example with respect to air, water, and percentage of green space.

5. Food & Culture - Talk about the blend of cultures in the city and how this has been represented in food and other cultural representations.

6. Education – In this section there is only a mention of higher education institutions, and nothing about K-12 education. There is no mention about how the K-12 education system is organized in Lima (who is responsible for what) or any result in this arena. There could be a portrayal of the types of schools present in the city and in what proportion (private, public, charter, etc.).

7. Sports - I would also increase more detail in this section with regards specifically to soccer and volleyball (which are mentioned briefly).

Thanks, Atiykuy (talk) 20:30, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Timeline of Lima

What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 16:44, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Current collage has fraudulent image?

In the collage, there is an image of San Isidro with three modern skyscrapers: the Westin hotel is on the far left and the Banco GNB is in the middle. Then on the right there is another skyscraper, the tallest of the three. Please correct me if I'm wrong but I believe this building simply does not exist. I don't know if this was photoshopped or what but it should not be allowed on the page. Dawei20 (talk) 19:05, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

There have been repeated issues with the image collage, usually for copyright violations. If this image is in the commons, I suggest you request that it be deleted for the reasons you state above. Otherwise, you can do it at the page's source here...Hires an editor (talk) 00:42, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
the image is nice!. AlfaRocket (talk) 12:23, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

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The demographics are incorrect.

I am from Lima. So I know the majority of people in Lima are indigenous with little foreign blood, and then there are mestizos who you can see they have some mixture, but I have rarely seen a white or black person unless it's on TV. Can't we choose a more truthful source? The picture chosen to represent us is wrong. Why was the girl who looks like a minority chosen instead of someone with our Inca roots? That is very European centric and partial. Frandalila (talk) 13:57, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

And the picture of the school children also does not represent us. I don't even think that is from here. 

Frandalila (talk) 14:00, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
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