Talk:Lillian La France

Photos

There are some great photos here: http://theselvedgeyard.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/she-ripped-and-she-roared-epic-women-of-destiny-determination/#more-12219

if any one cares to do the homework on finding out where they came from. By their age I think most are out of copyright but I don't know their original source to fill in the upload form. --Bridge Boy (talk) 19:25, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

References

Some books are cited, but the inline citations should include page numbers rather than just identifying the book. Edison (talk) 19:33, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Please go ahead, be my guest and fix it. Definitely noteworthy. Women motorcyclists, especially early ones, are unrepresented on the Wikipedia but my free time is limited. The books are widely available. --Bridge Boy (talk) 19:46, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

"Foremost woman rider"

The Harley-Davidson Reader merely says La France was "well known"[23]. If she were not well known as a stunt rider, then this page wouldn't need to exist at all. Going beyond that and saying she was the "world’s foremost woman motorcycle stunt rider" is not justified by the source, and directly contradicts WP:PEACOCK. Instead of piling on adjectives, cite facts which prove that she was that great, such as awards, honors, achievements, etc. Such as

• Peacock example:

• Bob Dylan is the defining figure of the 1960s counterculture and a brilliant songwriter.

• Just the facts:

• Dylan was included in Time's 100: The Most Important People of the Century, where he was called "master poet, caustic social critic and intrepid, guiding spirit of the counterculture generation". By the mid-1970s, his songs had been covered by hundreds of other artists.

--Dennis Bratland (talk) 02:06, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

You make a mistake, again, of presuming I don't understand policy. I understand policy perfectly. I just don't share all your opinions. I'd say the first person to drive a car on a wall of death was "notable".

Just the facts? "Michael Jeffrey Jordan ... is the greatest basketball player of all time". All time? Jesus, time must have stopped while I wasn't paying attention.

Have fun arguing with the hoop heads.

I'd say that there was a women motorcycle stunt riders travelling all around the world in the 1920s is notable and a lot more interesting to me personally than Theobald Dillon, 1st Viscount Dillon. I think what set her apart is that she did travel the world at that time. --Bridge Boy (talk) 23:43, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

That the Jordan page is actually a quote. If you have an expert to quote, then quote them. That would be super. I think putting the opinions of recognized experts into Wikipedia articles is a good idea. Just not editor's opinions. The Michael Jordan page goes on to list actual achievements. This article on La France doesn't tell us she was the first of anything, or was awarded anything. It just tells us she was the "foremost" and offers no evidence. Wikipedia isn't written that way.

Also see WP:OSE. We all know there are some bad articles out there and I'm not going to stop trying to fix the article in front of me because of some other article's flaw. I don't know what the point is about Theobald Dillon, 1st Viscount Dillon. Lillian La France isn't up for AfD. Just stick to what the sources say and don't embellish. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 00:29, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

References