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Illness

Whoever wrote about her being on oprah showing no signs of illness should take that out...the oprah show was filmed a week before she was sick when she was in chicago for her monster ball tour. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.189.247.27 (talk) 17:20, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Source? Sparks Fly 17:47, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

I changed that up a little bit. It seemed a bit bias in just replicating bias information in the source. the source did mention she was given the all clear to go on the show and perform. That statement however does not show any bias so I noted that in my edit. I however do not know if it was pre taped. No information is provided stating that so it looks like it was live. If it was not then please give a source. She was in Chicago the previous week. --Alextwa (talk) 16:57, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

What kind of bias are you talking about? Sparks Fly 17:15, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Anyway, I think that it would be notable to state that in the following day she performed on Oprah with no signs of illness. The biographical part of the article current ends with a "and what happened then?" feeling so it would, in my opinion, be necessary to put on. Sparks Fly 22:10, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

MTV's 2009 WOMAN OF THE YEAR

Lady GaGa was MTV's Woman of the Year for 1999. It is very significant as MTV is a leading broadcaster and producer of music and she also beat the likes of many other popular female artists.

"No one challenged, provoked, entertained and, well, titillated us over the past 12 months quite like Gaga." -Jem Aswad

All the descriptions and link is here: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1628490/20091217/lady_gaga.jhtml —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.82.217.37 (talk) 01:23, 30 December 2009 (UTC) As Well as a Singer GaGa is a Fashion Icon, She's a Very Beautiful Women —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.90.115.93 (talk) 06:00, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

So yeah someoneeee put in her discription!?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.82.217.249 (talk) 01:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

other influences

In her interview on the Jay Leno Show (late November 2009), she mentioned being influenced by Judy Garland and Led Zeppelin. (She also mentioned that this article says that she is from Yonkers, but it doesn't seem to currently be the case. --Walter.bender (talk) 04:05, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

That's very weird: I'm not a Lady Gaga fan (no clue who she is, really); I'm just watching this page because of an interesting word usage oddity in the encyclopedia, a page lots of Lady Gaga fans inevitably watch I'm sure, yet here I am, an actual Walter Bender fan. —Aladdin Sane (talk) 05:01, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure of the exact time and date of the interview with Jay Leno Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page)., but she mentioned that she is not from Yonkers and that she couldn't correct wikipedia, which prompted me to try and help her in this regard. by jbmmasters, creative title Juan Magas, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbmmasters (talk • contribs) 23:31, 1 January 2010

Actually, after that interview, Yonkers was removed. Check what's currently the #5 reference in the article, "The Jay Leno Show - What's the rumor that bugs her the most? - Video." —C.Fred (talk) 05:37, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Does Anyone Think Heartbeats Should Be Included Somewhere?

Lady Gaga designed in-ear headphones called Heartbeats. They're Beats By Dr. Dre featuring Monster Tangle-Free Cables. Does anyone else think this should be included somewhere? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diforeverf (talk • contribs) 00:56, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Have you got a source that says she designed them? —C.Fred (talk) 01:16, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Here's a whole article... http://digital.asiaone.com/Digital/Reviews/Story/A1Story20091230-188834.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diforeverf (talk • contribs) 01:59, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

So should we add it or not?--Diforeverf (talk) 21:43, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

YES!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.82.217.249 (talk) 21:26, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Birthplace, Gaga claims to be Mnahattan born

But a celebrity may wish to have otters believe that they be born somethplace else than where she is born. Will not trust her as a source because of this self-serving nature. Lingust (talk) 01:30, 3 January 2010 (UTC) Anyone have an impartial source?

New CD, X-posed

I know it exists, they sell it at Walmart where you can pre-order it. It comes out on 02/16/2010, does anyone else think this should be added to the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diforeverf (talk • contribs) 01:56, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, interesting, I can buy it at lots of retailers (with varying claimed release dates), but I don't find news about it, and I don't trust the alleged cover image which is just a montage of an existing image, http://cassettecouture.com/wp-content/uploads/lady_gaga.jpg.
Anyhow, as long as there's noting in reliable sources out there, we can't add it to the articles, even if several retailers agree on existence and name. They just aren't reliable enough with that kind of information (never mind the release dates, that's often just guesswork). Amalthea 02:07, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Guess we'll see whenever it's released, if it's released. I'll Keep Looking! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diforeverf (talk • contribs) 02:31, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

This CD was already brought up- see Talk:Lady_Gaga/Archive_5#Third_Album_X-Posed.

It's interviews, maybe it's not that relevant.--Diforeverf (talk) 21:45, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

If you take a look at the allmusic source, they state it is a spoken word album. On the Wallmart site, enlarge the cover and it says "Over an hour of interviews with the girl herself.. Includes colour booklet and poster." This is not a new studio album, it just consists of interviews. That is why this CD is titled "X-Posed" because the artist is exposed in these interviews. • вяαdcяochat 00:02, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

O.K., so case closed? Or maybe it is important? Guess we'll find out when it comes out! :)--Diforeverf (talk) 21:49, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

{(Resolved)} —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.100.120.205 (talk) 22:49, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Diforeverf (talk) 01:53, 24 January 2010 (UTC)Resolved

Resolved
 – Diforeverf (talk) 17:48, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Rilke???

Hahahaha. I do not believe that Rilke is quoted in an article about this Lady Gaga ... And though the information has references and is serious, well, I just had to laugh... Now mediocre people decided idolaters men of genius? Auréola (talk) 19:32, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Why is this even on the talk page?--76.100.120.205 (talk) 20:45, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

It's your opinion, but others don't think of her as a mediocre person.--Diforeverf (talk) 02:02, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Lady Gaga

Okay first I have a few questions i would like to ask. Was Lady Gaga a brunette? Where was she born? Was she born in a small town? When is she going to come to Jackson, TN.? I mean if you think about it everybody would show up, I mean who doesn't like Lady Gaga? But yea i want Lady Gaga to come here to Jackson,Tn. But I do hear Gwen Stefani wries alot of her music. But she does remind me alot of her and Nodoubt. When i was little i use to listen to them all day, everyday and i just loved them. But I love Lady Gaga and her style its just so crazy i mena she has so many fans i wish i could be like that sometimes! But I love her and I would LOVEEEE for her to come to Jackson, TN.


--24.176.113.251 (talk) 18:11, 6 January 2010 (UTC)Chloe Bradley

CHART RECORDS

Lady GaGa is the first artists to have 4 #1's from a debut album (The Fame)! That should be input somewhere in her description!!! sources: http://www.billboard.com/artist/lady-gaga/1003999#/news/lady-gaga-sets-latest-billboard-chart-record-1004032526.story

She is also the first artist in ten years to have 2 #1's consecutively.

sources: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Lady-GaGa-Breaks-Chart-Records-with-Poker-Face-108467.shtml or http://www.billboard.com/artist/lady-gaga/1003999#/news/lady-gaga-draws-a-pair-of-no-1s-1003957967.story

Oh and now she has 5 consecutive #1's with Bad Romance!!! sources: http://www.billboard.com/artist/lady-gaga/1003999#/news/chart-beat-wednesday-lady-gaga-reba-muse-1004056847.story —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.82.217.249 (talk) 21:24, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Associated acts && Occupations.

She was also a featured artists on Wales track "Chillin" that should be added.

And she recently signed a deal with Polaroid as an "inventor" or creative director that should be added as well.

Sources:


I think Heartbeats fits in here too.--76.100.120.205 (talk) 21:15, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Gay community

Wasn't there a tiny bit more about her relationship with the gay community before? Why was it removed?

Yeah, wasn't it something about it not for publicity? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diforeverf (talk • contribs) 21:03, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

The Monster Ball Tour

The Monster Ball was the second concert tour hosted and sanged by Lady Gaga. It started in late 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 27thechris (talk • contribs) 19:24, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

The Indiana show was not the only show cancelled. An Atlantic City, NJ, and one CT date were cancelled, with another postponed. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34882736/ns/local_news-hartford_ct/ and http://www.ladygaga.com/news/default.aspx?nid=24285. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.177.8.130 (talk) 17:49, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Is she even going to make up the shows? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.240.228.135 (talk) 17:45, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Article in today's Star-Ledger

There's an article in today's Star-Ledger (Newark, NJ based newspaper) about Lady Gaga's early career development. I'm not sure when I may try to integrate the info from that newspaper article into this one, so I'm just giving folks a heads up in case they want to track down the article and add stuff from it themselves. I don't see the text of the article online yet, so there's just the hard copy right now. --JamesAM (talk) 14:12, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Name

On a Barbara Walters interview Lady Gaga said she got the name from her friends who started calling her Gaga because she was so theatrical. This story does not match the one on the Lady Gaga wikipedia page. What do you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.100.120.205 (talk) 01:42, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Is it not the same thing? In an interview(seen on youtube) with Jonathan Ross she(Gaga) said it was from the song Radio Gaga. Freddie Mercury was very theatrical so I find the two comments consistant. SunCreator (talk) 00:32, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Red & Blue as Stefani Germanotta

I'm not sure at what point in her career she did this, but Lady Gaga recorded an EP titled Red & Blue under her real name. It's rather important that it be one here, as this was the first place I checked to try and confirm/lock down details. Oddly, it isn't on either iTunes or Lala. linkage: http://www.mediafire.com/?w4zkymnc3nm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.249.70.156 (talk) 18:25, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

See List_of_Lady_Gaga_songs SunCreator (talk) 19:22, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

gender.

I've heard rumors about her gender. Who can guarantee that she is woman? Thanks. 95.68.33.51 (talk) 20:17, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Probably her doctor could. I've also done my own original research (by watching her videos), and based on that I can confirm that she is in fact a woman. In terms of the article though, it should only include information based on reliable sources. These days it seems like there are all sort of rumors and hoaxes involving celebrities, and it would be placing undue weight on what is a (presumably false) rumor to have it in the article. –Megaboz (talk) 21:08, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
All it takes is 5 minutes of scouring the internet to pretty much confirm she is female. This is just a typical type of rumour people like to spread when they are jealous of someone. Look at the videos of her before "Lady Gaga". Either way, as far as the article is concerned she is a woman, no guarantee needed. Several "guaranteed" sources however would need to be included if anything about her gender came in to play. No such sources exist. SpigotMap 23:03, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary sources. For the extraordinary claim that she is not female, several compelling sources with above-reproach reliability would be required. In the absence of such sources, it is fair to present her as female in the article. —C.Fred (talk) 01:29, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Also, although Snopes.com isn't necessarily a source in and of itself, they do include the sources they use, and cover the rumor (as in logically prove it's not true) here: http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/ladygaga.asp Esprix (talk) 22:30, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Also she confirmed it on a Barbara Walters interview. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyw7 (talk • contribs) 2010-01-27T15:53:37

In that interview with Barbara Walters she says she is bisexual. Nothing more. Maybe issue is people don't know that bisexual is not an issue of gender? SunCreator (talk) 03:09, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
I saw the interview, and this was a different question from the one you refer to. Walters asked Gaga about rumors that Gaga was not one gender. Gaga did not issue a categorical denial but indicated that the rumors did not offend her as she enjoys propagating a public image of androgyny. I note that some online versions of the interview omit this question and I cannot locate a transcript of the full interview to point to the exact language of the question. Robert K S (talk) 03:50, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
A quick Google search turned up this report which quoted the relevant portion of the interview. [1] Robert K S (talk) 03:56, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
That links seems to be fiction, quoting the Daily Telegraph. Here is the Daily Telegraph article and a Google search shows only that Daily Telegraph article. Nothing about her gender. I question the reliability of linkive.com. SunCreator (talk) 12:31, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Can you point out the exact time of the gender discussion in this youtube video? SunCreator (talk) 12:36, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
It's not "fiction", and that YouTube video represents an incomplete version of the interview, as I've already told you. Robert K S (talk) 17:37, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
If it's not fiction, where is this Daily Telegraph article? The Lady Gaga interview Barbara Walters on youtube says Full Interview. SunCreator (talk) 18:51, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
I can't speak to the Daily Telegraph article, but since it's not the source of the quotation, it's immaterial. Your "full version" may have been the "full version" of just one edit of the interview, but it assuredly is not the full interview. I watched the full interview and saw the excerpted portion which is quoted in the link I gave above. It's available on YouTube here (at 5:25) and also here (at 5:13). I trust this resolves the issue. Robert K S (talk) 21:55, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Okay, your correct it seems the youtube I watch above was incomplete despite it saying otherwise. So thanks for this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_AQqiluNHY#t=5m23s link. It does clear things up. So Gaga was asked and said no. SunCreator (talk) 22:27, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Snopes has weighed in on The Rumour today, branding it false and citing the Barbara Walters interview mentioned above. [2] —C.Fred (talk) 04:40, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Esprix pointed that out above. Robert K S (talk) 19:35, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Early life

Have there been any articles about her life at NYU or before? Quotes from friends, classmates or teachers?--The lorax (talk) 02:56, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Her Dog

She has a dog called Gaga which she named after herself. It is a Springer Spaniel and will be 1 on the 15/02/10 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Poperdom (talk • contribs) 16:22, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Source? —C.Fred (talk) 16:42, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

I read it in her autobiography and I thought more people would like to know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Poperdom (talk • contribs) 19:08, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Move proposal

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. Jafeluv (talk) 19:52, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Snow? Wheee!

Lady Gaga → Lady GaGa — It is GaGa that she uses in her videos etc., therefore it makes sense to go with what she uses. Cdhaptomos talk–contribs 22:07, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

  • Agree. I agree with the proposed change of "Gaga" to "GaGa" on the grounds that it draws from the actual inspiration for her name from the Queen song "Radio Ga-Ga". Granted, we're still talking about the same woman. Nonetheless I believe that the change should happen. Drakehottie (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:40, 29 January 2010 (UTC).
  • Oppose. Per WP:MOSCAPS#Mixed or non-capitalization, we are not obliged to use spellings that vary from standard capitalization; Lady Gaga is the preferred spelling according to the rules there. Additionally, when this was discussed before, it was noted that all official sources such as her label and her website used the Gaga spelling. Accordingly, how she styles her name in her videos is not a compelling reason to change the article. —C.Fred (talk) 22:22, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose Same argument as C.Fred. --Labattblueboy (talk) 23:56, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose per C.Fred. Also, it appears that the majority of sources use "Gaga" and not "GaGa" when referring to her. –Megaboz (talk) 00:19, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose. As above. I thought this discussion had been cleared up. Anyway Cdhaptomos, doesn't Lady Gaga use capitals most of the time? The only time I have seen 'GaGa' was in the "Poker Face" video when she is wearing her screen sunglasses, which seems to be more of a technical reason, rather than styling (everything is shown in both lenses). Adabow (talk) 00:23, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose. As per her websites Lady Gaga : Official Site, Lady Gaga (ladygaga) on Twitter, Facebook, MySpace, Interscope etc. When mixed case is used, it's 'Gaga'. —Machine Elf 1735 (talk) 02:55, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose per MOS:TM 70.29.210.242 (talk) 05:01, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose as per the comments by C.Fred. Seth Whales (talk) 20:23, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Per MOS:CAPS. John9988 (talk) 03:59, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Death?

Where did this information come from?: "On January 29, 2010, Lady Gaga died in a tragic accident on a freeway outside of London after taping her "London LIVE" performance. Police are currently investigating." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Keli88 (talk • contribs) 04:52, 30 January 2010 (UTC)


It's obviously not true --68.199.153.241 (talk) 05:02, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

It was just a vandal who placed in that fake information. --Esanchez(Talk 2 me or Sign here) 05:08, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Sounds legit to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.28.154.33 (talk) 05:35, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

This has been confirmed by many reliable news sources including CNN and BBC. This piece of information should be re-inserted into the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Babetted (talk • contribs) 09:42, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

No she is really HI!, limo was hit by a drunk driver, I just saw it on BBC —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.194.250.225 (talk) 10:01, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

I saw that she had died on many relaible english news sources, I think that it is reasonable to include a death section at this point —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.131.216.75 (talk) 10:06, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

I just checked CNN and BBC, and neither is reporting anything about her. For that matter, TMZ is quiet on the issue, and they'd be one of the first with a story like this. I'm going to call it a hoax at this point. If anybody wants to refute that, they'll need to provide the URL for the CNN or BBC story, not just "I saw it on BBC." —C.Fred (talk) 14:30, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Educational History - NYC

Can an established user please add to the page that she attended the "Convent of Sacred Heart" in Manhattan. She attended there for many years and most of her education (including high school?). This is a product of original research, since I knew of her growing up in Manhattan. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PeterD1361 (talk • contribs) 04:07, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Hermaphrodite Section Should be removed. (now: intersexual / Walters interview)

I agree in addressing the issue but you don't need to put it in a huge bolded section of its own. She's obviously not and the section doesn't even state she isn't! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.228.139.26 (talk) 04:16, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

There's no "obviousness" about it. It is quite significant and notable, and we have no way of proving that she isn't. Cdhaptomos talk–contribs 21:57, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Although this is very silly, it is considered to be notable enough to have its own Snopes article at [3]. Gaga was even asked about it in an interview with the venerable Barbara Walters. I vote to put in the article somewhere with reliable sourcing, if only to prevent silly additions and edit warring.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 13:07, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Is there anyone who strongly objects to mentioning this? If Gaga and Barabara Walters are prepared to discuss it, why airbrush it out of Wikipedia?--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:28, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
With the Snopes page and Walters interview, it probably deserves some mention. Maybe a sentence or two, but not a full section. —C.Fred (talk) 16:42, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
WP:BRD was deliberately invited here. The article's regular editors have created a stalemate by parroting the same old arguments against inclusion. Time for some new thinking here. Look at the sourcing, folks.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 20:43, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
I would not normally support the inclusion of rumours, but this a notable one. There's plenty of sources and she's denied it herself. The fact that she denied it makes it notable enough for inclusion in to the article. I don't see how one sentence is putting undue weight on the subject. SpigotMap 20:55, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
BRD does not mean you revert the same problematic material back into the article again and again. If we err on inclusion of a data point during a discussion, we need to err on the side of responsibility to the article subject. You have added it three times in the same day despite being aware that there is consensus against the material and it is against Wiki policies including WP:WEIGHT and WP:BLP. Dismissing that as "the same old arguments" is not adding anything to the discussion, and is not taking anything away from the validity of those arguments. Just because a subject comments on a rumor does not elevate said rumor to biographical notability, regardless of the sourcing, particularly in a bio as brief and broad as this. If she stated something that reliable sourcing can prove she was incorrect about, then that is where sourcing debatably trumps other issues, but in this case, the notability of Barbara Walters has nothing to do with it. There is some material that, despite being accessible elsewhere in the media, will never be appropriate or properly weighted in so brief a biography. To the issue of "denying it herself", denying a rumor does not make it notable to someone's biography, as has been stated again and again.
Do not re-add this material or you will be in violation of WP:3RR as well as the consensus as painstakingly expounded on across the archives of this page. Abrazame (talk) 21:07, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
This is an example of the regular editors trying to overrule the wishes of outsiders. See other comments in this section.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 21:10, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

(←) I would probably support a paragraph (not a section, that would be WP:UNDUE) of the rumor somewhere in the article, provided that it is reliably sourced, handled carefully, and makes explicit mention that the rumor is false (as the subject has denied it on at least one occasion). This rumor is obviously very high profile and is likely why many people are coming to this article. It has received coverage in multiple reliable sources and to exclude it is irresponsible and quite fansite-ish. Here's how I propose such a mention, with citations as well:

Throughout 2009, a rumor that Gaga was intersexual began circulating around the Internet after she was reportedly quoted by a gossip website as stating that she had "both a poon and a peener".[1] Further speculation occurred after she updated her Twitter account with a message saying that she went home to perform autofellatio on her "hermie d*ck [sic]" after a concert.[1] However, in a January 2010 interview with Barbara Walters on American newsmagazine 20/20, she claimed that the rumor was false, adding that while she at first found the rumor strange, she eventually didn't mind because she felt she portrayed herself as androgynous.[2]

If more references could be found, that would be great. I'm not so sure about the reliability of Yahoo!, but I'm sure a more reliable source discussing the 20/20 interview could be found if it is not. The rumor definitely should be addressed in this article as it is very notable and has been covered in multiple reliable sources. Excluding it from the article would be like excluding the fact that Michael Jackson was accused of child molestation from his article. –Chase (talk) 22:39, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

I went to great lengths to avoid WP:UNDUE on this, but it is worth a passing mention as it has become a notable urban legend that Gaga herself has commented on. The Snopes cite has a link to the video of the Walters interview, and is arguably the best single source in this area.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 22:44, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
I'm not saying addressing the rumor would be undue weight, I'm saying a section would. I'm fine with how the rumor is addressed right now, but it needs to be moved to the main biography section (it has nothing to do with her musical style and/or influences) and the text needs to be edited to state that she was rumored to be intersexual. Hermaphrodite is a term used to refer to plants and animals, and I'm fairly certain Lady Gaga is neither... –Chase (talk) 22:51, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
This was added to the Musical style and influences section since it seemed to fit in with the discussion of her sexuality there. However, it could be moved elsewhere, hopefully without setting off a fresh round of WP:BRD.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 22:59, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
I gather the initial quote was falsely attributed to her, but the new wording doesn't make that clear - given that both she and her management denied it, and that Snopes found the original source, perhaps rather than "she was reportedly quoted ...", we'd be better off with "after she was falsely quoted ...". It is a stronger claim, which is a problem, but based on Snopes and the official responses to the quote, it would be more accurate. - Bilby (talk) 23:10, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
I have no doubt in my mind the quote was false, the source even claims it came from a gossip blog which is totally unreliable. But as she has never said whether she said that or not, and she was reportedly quoted as saying such, we cannot say she was falsely quoted without proof. For all we know, she may actually have said that with a sarcastic sense of humor that was taken the wrong way. Unless she says that she never made that claim (as obvious as it may be), we cannot say she was falsely quoted. –Chase (talk) 23:57, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Actually, the MTV source being used as a reference states that her management team has "flat-out denied the story and the quote". While coming from her own lips would be better, that seems enough to make the stronger claim. - Bilby (talk) 04:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
  • There is absolutely no reason why this section should be removed. Wikipedia is not about which rumors are legit or not. Wikipedia is not about what is and not important information. Wikipedia presents all of the facts. The herm. rumor should be included into wikipedia. Anyone who disagrees is biased in favor of Lady Gaga, unless if you can present a legit argument.--Jerzeykydd (talk) 23:20, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
"Wikipedia is not about what is and not important information." Since when wikipedia became a soapbox?
Anyway, I still don't see why it's so important to insert it here. Putting silly things that at the end of the day are not true just doesn't work for me. In the day that it reaches the level of the Lake Ness' monster then we can start to talk about notability. User:Bookkeeperoftheoccult would be the best person to shot it all down, but he seems to be off. So, since I'm the minority, I won't try to argue and leave it alone.
And please, put this information in her main biography above. There's no need for a personal life sections and also it accumulates too much fancruft. I think that it would be good for the article if we always try to follow great article examples such as Elvis Presley. Don't try to separate personal and professional lives because we do know that events will happen in the artist's ordinary life that would probably affect sales and etc and it would be hard to make it clever when the two things are separated. Sparks Fly 03:41, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
This appears to be a WP:IDONTLIKEIT argument. I would not have added this unless Gaga had commented on it herself, which shows that she did not mind addressing an issue which was picking up a lot of media coverage in 2009, true or not. By all means move the information elsewhere in the article, but please don't remove it, or we will all be having the same debate next week and the week after that.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 03:57, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
I think the two lines added for the legend is absolutely fine as it doesnot give WP:UNDUE importance. However, I have removed Personal life section and added the part in the influences, because being a gay activist and icon, is a part of the influence one indivitual has over the community. It should be there. Personal Life sections are target for fancruft and ultimately become hot-bed for gossip. Please see valid GA and FA class musician articles like Michael Jackson, Janet Jackson, Madonna, Kylie Minogue. I would just like to say that this discussion needs to end and not go on for infinite times. --Legolas (talk2me) 04:08, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
I for one don't mind if it has a section of its own or it doesn't, as long as the information is kept there. The rumor stopped to qualify for WP:SOAP when it got coverage in reliable sources so it has to be here. --uKER (talk) 07:22, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Having a separate section is what is making it WP:UNDUE. --Legolas (talk2me) 07:54, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Why is the rumors and sexual orientation stuff in the Musical style and influences section?--Jerzeykydd (talk) 21:10, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
User:ianmacm, just because she dismissed the argument herself does not make it worth; she only said what she said because she was asked for, Barbara Walters could make any kind of rumor by herself in that minute and Gaga would obviously dismiss them. If she had any input of dismissing it by herself, with no one asking for, it would be a different history, maybe she even didn't know it in like, one minute before she was asked. But I'll say it again because it seems to have not worked: Since I'm the minority, I won't try to argue and leave it alone.
As I said before, put this information in her main biography section because it's where rumors appear to belong (see Michael Jackson, for example). Sparks Fly 21:49, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
I agree with you Sparks, I'll try to assemble it in the bio. --Legolas (talk2me) 04:41, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
I wasn't going to say any more about this, because there has been enough shin kicking about it already. However, some urban legends, like Paul is dead, attract enough attention to be notable in their own right. This is what has happened with the Lady Gaga hermaphrodite story, and it is interesting to hear what Lady Gaga had to say about it.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 13:59, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

citations

  1. ^ a b James, Sarah-Louise (10 August 2009). "Gaga's Penis: The Truth". MTV. MTV Networks. Retrieved 4 February 2010. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |work= (help)
  2. ^ "Lady Gaga dismisses hermaphrodite rumours". Yahoo!. Yahoo India Pvt. Ltd. 27 January 2010. Retrieved 4 February 2010. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |work= (help)

Addition to early life and education

As a performer in high school, Lady Gaga appeared on the Regis High School stage, directed by James Lyness, choreographed by Kristin Cupillari, and under the musical direction of Jim Phillips. She played Filia in "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum," and starred in "Guys and Dolls" as Adelaide. All involved agreed that she was destined for stardom. Jlyness (talk) 03:48, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

National Equality March photo—undo revert?

Previously, this photo Image:LadyGaga-EqualityMarch-Crop.jpg was included in the article. I think it should be added back once again, (second to last paragraph). It was last removed without explanation on 2 Februay 2010 by User:Tearitdownsmash.

—Machine Elf 1735 (talk) 10:40, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. --Legolas (talk2me) 10:49, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Please correct link

Please correct link nr. 33 with http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/lady-gaga-makes-top-40-radio-history-62202332.html 80.126.124.145 (talk) 14:36, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Done. Nymf talk/contr. 15:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
This gives the source as Interscope Records, which leads to a WP:SPS issue. Is this OK?--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:08, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
No, that WP:SPS is not okay. The Interscope Records release is self-promotional. World-wide figures are not easy to get wp:RS for, this issue is compounded here because in some regions The Fame Monster sales will be counted with The Fame sales and in other regions that are kept seperate. I suspect the World-wide sentence will eventually be removed as unsourceable and replaced with sales amount for different regions. SunCreator (talk) 16:29, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
I believe the source and sentence might be outdated anyway, as this reference says that the album has sold 8.4 million copies. It should probably be removed or rewritten. Nymf talk/contr. 16:36, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Good reference you turned up there. It says 8 million records, not useful for the 3 million copies of The Fame album but a good reference to perhaps add to the article elsewhere. SunCreator (talk) 17:25, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
If it's the whole problem we got here then Daily News of New York City can solve it; In a little over a year, her debut album, "The Fame," has sold more than 8 million copies. Sparks Fly 19:16, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Although it seems unlikely that The Fame sold 8.2 mill worldwide, as opposed to shipped, I'll take teh reference as reported by a reliable source. --Legolas (talk2me) 04:27, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Missing Persons

Additional inspiration and perhaps emulation of the 80's band "Missing Persons" more specifically lead singer Dale Bozzio. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mccuffster (talk • contribs) 05:14, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

And why? Please provide reference. --Legolas (talk2me) 05:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Adding a Missing Persons album repeatedly to the article only casts more doubt upon this assertion. —C.Fred (talk) 05:51, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Calling her "Gaga" against WP:MOS?

Surely dubbing her Gaga throughout the article, and other Wiki pages, is a WP:MOS violation as it is not her surname but rather a shortened down version of her nickname? It's the same as calling Lady Sovereign "Sovereign", Dizzee Rascal "Dizzee" etc. I believe that it should be changed to "Lady Gaga" instead of the "Gaga" colloquialism. WossOccurring (talk) 20:13, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

In the lyrics to many of her songs (Monster, Bad Romance, Lovegame) she refers to herself as Gaga, so I don't regard it as a colloquialism. --uKER (talk) 20:34, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
50 Cent refers to himself as "Fiddy" in his songs. However, we aren't writing a lyrics archive, we are writing an encyclopedia. WossOccurring (talk) 20:37, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
I admit to finding this a weird and interesting conversation. My own preference, as a reader with "little or no knowledge of the subject" (ahem), is that the editors please keep that person in mind (the reader with little or no knowledge of the subject) when editing the article. —Aladdin Sane (talk) 20:43, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
That's where my concerns were first aroused; it smells of WP:NOT#FANSITE to me. WossOccurring (talk) 20:45, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. "Gaga" is too informal. It's like referring to the Big Bopper as simply "Bopper". — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ  Contribs. 21:02, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Gaga is used in the papers. [4] [5] SunCreator (talk) 22:29, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
So is SuBo, Macca, Chezza, LiLo and so on. We are writing an encyclopedia, not a newspaper. WossOccurring (talk) 22:36, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
What you cited are nicknames, and not surnames adoted by the media. Sparks Fly 22:43, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
And Wikipedia is not a newspaper. The media may be reliable sources for the fact that she's informally called simply "GaGa" sometimes (or however it's spelled this week), but WP doesn't call anyone informally. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ  Contribs. 22:48, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, I still can't see any problem referring her only as "Gaga", and I think that this topic is a bit trivial, similar to the Gaga/GaGa discussion we had some months ago. However, the consensus here is clearly already done. In my opinion, calling her "Lady Gaga" throughout the article will make the lecture too repetitive and tiring, but I won't even discuss because I know that it's not a worth-point because people will obviously argue that "Gaga" also makes so, which, by the way, I don't agree. So, just do it. Sparks Fly 00:34, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Not yet, guys. Since you all are jumping into the WP:OSE, I'm going to take this boat too. Alicia Keys, a clearly better article to take as example compared to those of you, reads "Keys" all over the article. It is a GA, which means that there wasn't a problem with this topic on its nomination process, which would be the same here. I might call User:Explicit and/or User:Bookkeeperoftheoccult, who are experienced users, to give a hand on this subject. Sparks Fly 03:49, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Alicia Augello Cook takes the stage name Alicia Keys, and we explain this to the reader early on, and use the formal "Keys" in the rest of the article. Ramón Gerardo Antonio Estévez takes the stage name Martin Sheen, and we explain this to the reader early on, and use the formal "Sheen" in the rest of the article (except in the early life section, where he is Estévez). Informally they may be called Alicia and Martin (we won't be doing this in articles if I can help it, but I have caught editors doing just that in the case of some more obscure actors). Hmm, weird (does his mom call Sheen "Ramón"? I haven't a clue).
Does the informal Lady make sense in this context? Doesn't seem like it. My conclusion is that "Lady Gaga" must be something other than a stage name. A nickname maybe? It seems to me what type of name it is must be established before figuring out what to do about it. One article that comes to mind, though I'm not sure it applies in the case is Honorific nicknames in popular music. However, it leads me to Sobriquet which may be closer to the mark. The See also sections of those articles provide plenty of info to understand the subject better. —Aladdin Sane (talk) 04:40, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Probably because Alicia Keys is a name, where as Lady Gaga is more like a title. I can name 1000 people with the first name Alicia, and 1000 with the last name Keys, but I would not be able to find anyone with the first name Lady and/or the last name Gaga. WossOccurring (talk) 15:25, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
The same that Alicia did by adopting her "Alicia Keys" as her name, Gaga did the same with "Lady Gaga". I know that it's a uncommon name, and funny at the same time but it's true. This topic has a similar issue, she adopted "Lady Gaga" as her name and now uses it both in her professional and personal life. As an user pointed: they go by those names exclusively - and that is something that is well documented. Sparks Fly 17:05, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
I cna't believe you people are arguing about this. She is very commonly called "Gaga". Why shoudn't we use it in the article? As long as it's clear who we're talking about, why does it matter? It's not quite the same as calling her by her last name (or adopted last name) only. But close. Why did the OP link the MOS? I can't find anything there that applies. -Freekee (talk) 06:06, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
I agree. She is referred to as "Gaga" quite often, so I don't see what the issue is. John9988 (talk) 00:42, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

I share WossOccurring concerns and fully understand the counterargument as well. My first instinct would have been to use Germanotta but that too would be incorrect.

WP:LASTNAME: People who are best known by a pseudonym shall be subsequently referred to by their pseudonymous surnames, unless they do not include a recognizable surname in the pseudonym (i.e. Madonna, Snoop Dogg, The Edge), in which case the whole pseudonym is to be used. For people well-known by one-word names, nicknames or pseudonyms, but who often also use their legal names professionally (i.e. musician/actors Beyoncé Knowles, André Benjamin, Jennifer Lopez; doctor/broadcaster Dr. Drew Pinsky), use the legal surname.

Based on the above, would say Lady Gaga closely resembles Snoop Dogg rather than a recognizable surname such as Tina Turner. Therefore I recommend using Lady Gaga as opposed to Gaga. Also, in terms of Manuel of Style, I would also suggest using pronouns whenever possible to cut down on the use of her name. The reader (whether an obessive fan or some who knows absolutely nothing about her) should realize the article is about Lady Gaga - we don't have to use her name in every sentence.

The Lead section as of now:

Lady Gaga (born Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta; March 28, 1986) is an American singer, songwriter and performance artist. She began performing in the rock music scene of New York City's Lower East Side. Lady Gaga soon signed with Streamline Records, an imprint of Interscope Records, upon its establishment in 2007. During her early time at Interscope, Gaga worked as a songwriter for fellow label artists and captured the attention of Akon, who recognized her vocal talent, and had her signed to his own label, Kon Live Distribution.
Her debut album The Fame was released in August 2008 and was a critical and commercial success. In addition to receiving generally positive reviews, it went number-one in four countries, also topping the Billboard Top Electronic Albums chart in the United States. The album's first two singles, "Just Dance" and "Poker Face", co-written and co-produced with RedOne, have become international number-one hits, and the former was nominated for Best Dance Recording at the 51st Grammy Awards. In early 2009, after having opened for New Kids on the Block and the Pussycat Dolls, Gaga embarked on her first headlining tour, The Fame Ball Tour. By the end of 2009, Gaga released The Fame Monster, an extension of The Fame, containing eight new songs with the global chart-topping lead single "Bad Romance", as well as having embarked on her second headlining tour of the year, The Monster Ball Tour.
Gaga is inspired by glam rockers such as David Bowie and Queen, as well as pop singers like Madonna. She is also inspired by fashion, which she has said is an essential component to her songwriting and performances. To date she has sold over 20 million digital singles and more than four million albums worldwide.

Recommendation:

Lady Gaga (born Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta; March 28, 1986) is an American singer, songwriter and performance artist. She began performing in the rock music scene of New York City's Lower East Side. She soon signed with Streamline Records, an imprint of Interscope Records, upon its establishment in 2007. During her early time at Interscope, she worked as a songwriter for fellow label artists and captured the attention of Akon, who recognized her vocal talent, and had her signed to his own label, Kon Live Distribution. ::*After New Heights Entertainment signed Lady Gaga to Def Jam and then they subsequently dropped the contract, New Heights Entertainment principal recognized the unique talent in the then unknown artist in NYC in 2007 and introduced her to their long time client RedOne in order to produce a new sound they believed was needed. This was a turning point.
Her debut album The Fame was released in August 2008 and was a critical and commercial success. In addition to receiving generally positive reviews, it went number-one in four countries, also topping the Billboard Top Electronic Albums chart in the United States. The album's first two singles, "Just Dance" and "Poker Face", co-written and produced with RedOne, have become international number-one hits, and the former was nominated for Best Dance Recording at the 51st Grammy Awards. In early 2009, after having opened for New Kids on the Block and the Pussycat Dolls, she embarked on her first headlining tour, The Fame Ball Tour. By the end of 2009, she released The Fame Monster, an extension of The Fame, containing eight new songs with the global chart-topping lead single "Bad Romance", as well as having embarked on her second headlining tour of the year, The Monster Ball Tour.
She is inspired by glam rockers such as David Bowie and Queen, as well as pop singers like Madonna. She is also inspired by fashion, which she has said is an essential component to her songwriting and performances. To date she has sold over 20 million digital singles and more than four million albums worldwide.

This should be adopted throughout the article, the only time you would need to mention her name again is at the beginning of a new subsection, or following a direct quote from someone other than herself to be clear on who is saying what. Other than that, when we say "she" or "her" the reader should already understand we are talking about Lady Gaga. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 03:38, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Why isn't referred to as Germanotta? It's formal and explained earlier in the article.
I agree with The Bookkeeper (of the Occult). Whatever is finalized here should also be applied to other artists with pseudonyms. Currently, Lady Sovereign's write-up shifts back and forth between "Lady Sovereign" and "Sovereign." Doc2234 (talk) 00:56, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Lady Sovereign is an interesting case because she refers to herself, at times, as "Miss Sovereign." So, she seems to use her pseudonym as a surname. Does Lady Gaga do similarly? —C.Fred (talk) 01:29, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Interesting since in the edit summary of an edit two weeks ago I thought "Gaga" to be a recognizable surname per WP:LASTNAME; the "Lady" title suggested that for me, similar to Lady Addle or many others. Of course now that I think of it, there are countless counterexamples as well, e.g. Lady Ada or Lady Di. Consequently I don't have a strong opinion about using either "Gaga" or "Lady Gaga", they both seem appropriate to me as long as we're consistent. Hmm, although, now that I've checked newspaper articles mentioning her, the NY Times for example never shortens the name to just "Gaga", so I'm favoring the Bookkeeper's change now.
I very much agree with the MOS that "Germanotta" shouldn't be used. I personally wasn't familiar with her birth name, and tend to skip around articles when I read them - referring to the topic by that name would confuse me and, I believe, other readers as well.
Amalthea 15:51, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
I approve Bookkeeper's recommendation as well. John9988 (talk) 23:42, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
You may also want to refer back to the Queen Latifa page which I think most closely relates to this Gaga discussion. Queen Latifa's entry refers to her has Latifa following initial introduction. The "Queen" in her stage name, as with the "Lady" in Gaga's, can be seen as a self-applied honorific; in which case, gramatically, it may be removed after initial introduction. -CM, 67.180.210.94 (talk) 21:39, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Oprah: "So, what do you like to be called?"
Gaga: "Gaga."[1]
Oprah: "Gaga…"
Gaga: "Ya."
Oprah: "So I don't have to say Lady Gaga…"
Gaga: "No, I don't like that actually. I don't know why but… it feels so weird when people call me Lady."[2]
Oprah: "Lady… Lady…"
Gaga: "Ya… so formal."[3]
Oprah: "So Gaga."
Gaga: "Ya."
FYI—Machine Elf 1735 (talk) 06:10, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

100% agree with The BookKeeper. --Dweller (talk) 14:08, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

I think Machine Elf 1735 is right, she calls herself Gaga so we should too.--Diforeverf (talk) 17:07, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Just to clarify, I think the The BookKeeper's approach, as well as what was done for Queen Latifa, are both good solutions.—Machine Elf 1735 (talk) 17:17, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


I think the use of she throughout the article would be unencyclopedic and unnatural both for readers and ediors. The use of Gaga or Lady Gaga as used currently in the article is fine. SunCreator (talk) 18:14, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


Whoa! Bookkeeper quoted applicable policy and then took a U-turn from it in his recommendation.
I'll clarify:
People who are best known by a pseudonym shall be subsequently referred to by their pseudonymous surnames, unless they do not include a recognizable surname in the pseudonym (i.e. Madonna, Snoop Dogg, The Edge),
As has been established, Lady Gaga is frequently referred to in press releases and media articles as Gaga - the pseudonymous surname. Referring to her as 'Lady' simply doesn't work. The situation isn't analogous to Snoop Dogg as he is regularly referred to and recognized as Snoop (a fine example of how the WP:LASTNAME policy hasn't been very well thought out, as its application is not universally justifiable).
All that being said, I actually agree with Bookkeeper's recommendation. Not because of WP:LASTNAME policy, however - going by that, Gaga would be acceptable. She should be referred to as either Lady Gaga or Germanotti (depending on the circumstances) throughout the article because that is encyclopedic...the policy is not.
--K10wnsta (talk) 23:39, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

"Gaga" is no more a pseudonymous surname than "Dogg", "Edge", or "Loaf". The Hero of This Nation (talk) 00:03, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
You're going to find examples of stage and adopted names that create an exception to any rule. I'm not sure why people are arguing over this. Regarding semantics, a surname is absolutely not required to be the "last name," although westernization has made the position close to universal. As stated before, "Dogg" is not the "surname" of "Snoop Dogg," as the subject refers to themselves as "Snoop." You cannot use "Meat Loaf" as an example, due to it's implied meaning (meatloaf). None of these cases will fall into any form of universal categorization. To even attempt to create a standard rule is a waste of time. The stage name must be taken on a case by case basis, and used in it's cultural context. I believe there are enough sources here that support "Gaga" as an appropriate reference. I suggest someone populate the alias field in Infobox musical artist, similar to other artists with stage names, and call it a day. --Glenn.xavier (talk) 16:24, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
  1. ^ Oprah Winfrey, Lady Gaga (January 15 2010). The Oprah Winfrey Show (Broadcast syndicated talk show). Harpo Studios, Chicago, Illinois: Harpo Productions, Inc. {{cite AV media}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  2. ^ Vena, Jocelyn (2010-01-15). "Lady Gaga Pledges Haiti Earthquake-Relief Donation On 'Oprah'". The Oprah Winfrey Show. MTV Networks. Retrieved 2010-01-25. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
  3. ^ "Lady Gaga's First Oprah Show Appearance - Oprah.com". The Oprah Winfrey Show. Harpo Productions, Inc. 2010-01-15. Archived from the original on 2010-01-24. Retrieved 2010-01-25. {{cite web}}: |first= missing |last= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
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