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History

The history section is not accurate. It fails to emphasize the role of the French Revolution (and subsequent Napoleonic armies) in spreading the ideals of liberty and equality throughout the Continent; French revolutionaries were the first to abolish the "crime of sodomy" as an "imaginary offence". Second: there's no mention of the German gay rights movement! Gay liberation started in 1969 in America, but in Europe it started much earlier, especially during the Weimar Republic. No mention of this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.215.252.239 (talk) 00:43, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Republic of Ireland

Same-sex civil union is forthcoming in 2008.


Single gay people may adopt children (a same-sex couple cannot adopt)


Same-sex couples may foster children as there is a dire need for foster parents at present. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.71.252.193 (talk) 17:21, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

It is 2010 and the Civil Partnership Bill has not passed as usual - but then again Ireland is a conservative Catholic country, so I will assume that civil partnerships will never become legal in Ireland, because Irish politicians still stuff around on the issue! - First of all: Your opinion is ridiculous. Ireland is not a conservative Catholic country. What are you on? Look at the figures regarding support of LGBT rights before passing opinion on the Irish public. Secondly: The Civil Partnership Bill was signed into law by President Mary McAleese on the 19th of July 2010. UGH.

Constitutional ban on same-sex marriage in Serbia

Hi. I'd just like to clarify why I removed the line on Serbia having a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage. There is no mention of same-sex marriage in the Constitution of Serbia, and there is no explicit exclusive definition of marriage being solely between "one man and one woman" (i.e. Federal Marriage Amendment). Article 62 of the Serbian Constitution states, "Marriage shall be entered into based on the free consent of man and woman before the state body." That does not mean a constitutional ban; in fact, most countries in Europe use similar wording in that regard. Ronline ✉ 01:21, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Serbia does have a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage. This is the original text of the Serbian constitution in Serbian language. I realize that the English translation you read is a bit ambiguous, but the original version in Serbian (which I speak, btw.) is completely unambiguous on the matter and it could be translated better as “one man and one woman”, if that would clear things up. The ban on same-sex marriage, which was introduced in the Constitution in 2006, is well known to LGBT organizations in Serbia. If you have some doubts and spare time, you can always contact them. I do appreciate your effort to contribute, and your obvious optimism, but I guess the only thing we on Wikipedia can do is report the situation correctly, even if we would like things to be different.--Midjungards 23:11, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Changing Central Europe to Western Europe

I'm being bold here and changing the title of the third chart to Western Europe. France, to take one example, has never been considered part of Central Europe in the English language (and I suspect, not in any other language). For comparison, see the articles under those names; also, see the UN-designated statistical areas in the map at Europe#Territories_and_regions.--Textorus 19:38, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Would you mind if we will just connect al these regions? It' better to view it that way and compare countries.

--Rejedef (talk) 20:45, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Public Opinion around Europe

In the section "Public Opinion around Europe" the difference in public opinion between different parts of Europe is desribed by:

Legal recognition and social acceptance of gay rights in Europe vary among different parts of Europe. Western Europe is considered to be the most liberal in regards to gay rights; Northern Europe is more moderate (with Scandinavia and the UK being more liberal), and tend to focus on less controversial issues such as taxation and adding anti-discrimination laws for homosexuals in certain areas. Southern Europe tends to be slightly more conservative (with the exception of Spain), but is more accepting of gay rights than Eastern Europe. East Europe is the least accepting of gay rights, the populace there being strongly influenced by the Orthodox and Catholic churches and some containing former communist countries.

Now, the difference between Western and Northern Europe on one hand and Southern and Eastern Europe on the other can be seen very clearly, both in the Eurobarometer poll cited and the legislation tables. Yet the difference in the text describes this difference (or perhaps only the difference between Northern and Southern Europe) as "slightly more conservative". Any clear difference between Western and Northern Europe, on the other hand, is harder to find in those two sources. Yet Western Europe is described as "the most liberal" and Northern Europe as "more moderate". Northern Europe is said to "focus on less controversial issues such as taxation and adding anti-discrimination laws for homosexuals in certain areas".

Can someone either motivate how one can see this difference between Western and Northern Europe in the statistics supplied or back it up with some other citation? I also wonder what the more controversial issues are that Western Europe is more focused on than Northern Europe. I saw in the history that the same text used to read similarly but with the word "progressive" instead of "moderate". This distinction between Western and Northern Europe might be more appropriate, (although I'm not quite sure what the difference between liberal and progressive would be in this context) but I still think we would need a source. Jkej 18:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

The table for Eurobarometer 2015 appears to have multiple issues. Firstly, the figure quoted is not those who "totally agree" with the statement, rather it is the sum of those who "totally agree" and those who "tend to agree". This summation is confusingly called "total 'agree'" in the Eurobarometer country factsheets. Also, Russia was not included in the Eurobarometer survey, so the source of Russia's 23% score is unclear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gobbleblotchit (talk • contribs) 13:58, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Wouldn't be Australia more accepting continent

Then Europe ? After all they are countries in Europe like Poland which aren't very accepting of LGBT people.--Molobo 20:05, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

But countries like Sweden, Norway, Denmark, UK, France, Germany, Belgium, The Netherlands, Spain (you get the idea) that are more accepting than Poland...and I would dare say Australia.EvilEuropean (talk) 09:22, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Please do not confuse Australia with Austria.

Austria and Hungary are in Europe. Australia and New Zealand in in Oceania. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.207.230 (talk) 08:16, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Italy

I'm Italian and live in Italy. In Italy there is no registered or unregistered partnerships. The v in the box is incorrect! In some cities the major of the city has instituted a registry. But these registries don't have any legal value, they are only paper with no value for the state of Italy. It's only publicly for the progressiveness ideas of the major. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.55.82.176 (talk) 05:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

non descrimination laws in EU

I was looking for more information on the provisions of Treaty of Amsterdam and Charter of Fundamental rights of the European Union that ban discrimination based on sexual orientation, as is noted in scattered mentions in articles on Germany etc , seems nothing here is said on this. Perhaps such information could be included? Im not sure why it is said that all discrimination based on sexual orientation is banned in Croatia; a law to make it such is just in procedure in our parliament, and theres a lot of contraversy about it, the church is complaining ; this is why I searched info on european legislative practices on the field, to see what is church FUD, and what might be legitimate complaints... 193.19.223.139 (talk) 15:25, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Legislation section

Shouldn't this section be split into a separate article, and the legislations of autonomous regions added? There are for instance differences between the legislations of Denmark and its autonomous region the Faroe Islands. I'm sure this applies to other regions aswell. Mulder1982 (talk) 23:38, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Andorra

Just wondering but is the country of Andorra not on the any of the lists or is it just me???Rump1234 (talk) 13:42, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

You're right. I will add Andorra to the list immediately. LightPhoenix (talk) 15:49, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

U.K. Crown dependencies

Does anybody know when male homosexuality was legalised in Jersey and Guernsey (incl. Alderney, Herm and Sark)? LightPhoenix (talk) 15:48, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Note: female homosexuality or lesbianism was never illegal in all of the British Empire, the list of the legalisation of male homosexuality in the UK and its territories as follows -

  • England and Wales in 1967;
  • Scotland in 1980;
  • Guernsey (part of the Channel islands) in 1982;
  • Northern Ireland in 1983;
  • Jersey (part of the Channel islands) in 1990;
  • Isle of Man (a little island between Ireland and Wales) and Gibralter (in southern Spain) in 1992;
  • Ireland (not part of the UK at all) in 1993;
  • Bermuda (just of the US Coast of Virginia in the north Atlantic) in 1994;
  • All other UK territories in 2000.

UPDATE:

The age of consent is NOT equal in two UK territories of both Bermuda and Gibralter, where it is set at 18 for gay men, 16 for lesbians and heterosexuals.

Gunersey now has an equal age of consent of 16 for all individuals (inline with the UK, Isle of Man and Jersey) since March 2010 [1] (local source to confirm this).

Position of the UK, The Isle of Man and The Republic of Ireland

I just came across this really good page however, I'm not too sure that the UK, the Isle of Man and the Republic of Ireland should be placed in the Northern Europe Section, but rather in the Western Europe section. From what I have read, the definition used by the United Nations Statistics Division (designed during the Cold War period) was used to position these states but it would seem more reliable and accurate to use the more up to date definition from the CIA World Factbook (whose page on the UK/Isle of Man/ROI was updated in 2009) to represent these states more fully culturally, economically and politically within their Western Europe identity/background. Buyguy (talk) 20:14, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

The Republic of Poland

Something good happened in Poland. Gay partnerships are under political consideration again (the third time). Third time lucky! Buzek, a serious candidate for European Comission is pro, the Catholic Church in person of bishop Nycz has no objections. http://www.innastrona.pl/magazyn/bequeer/zwiazki-partnerskie-2009.phtml

Change the map, please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.158.199.69 (talk) 23:14, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Left Democratic Alliance Party will propose the recognition of the same-sex relationship project similar to the French PACS. And the definition of the hate-crimes (according to sexual orientation). http://www.sld.org.pl/aktualnosci/p-r-m-a-6875/aktualnosci.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.255.91.210 (talk) 17:39, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Protection of sexual orientation in article 21 by Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union

On 1 December 2009 the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union comes into effect. In article 21 the sexual orientation is protected. GLGermann (talk) 00:11, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Map is biased

Why only Central and Eastern European countries are marked as "countries with constitution that limits marriage to man-woman"?For example Greek constitution also recognize marriage as a ""matrimony between a man and a woman with the intent of forming a family".(cited). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.79.86.16 (talk) 20:21, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Can somebody please mark Greece red too since it recognize marriage as a union of man and woman? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.79.90.169 (talk) 00:13, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

no. the Greek constitution doesn't limit a marriage as an union between a man and a woman!!!

French constitution also limits a marriage as an union between a man and a woman but the partneship is present in French law and France is "blue". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.253.179.71 (talk) 10:10, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Kosovo

The map and its related country information needs to be updated by reflecting the partially recognized Republic of Kosovo. They have their own constitutions too! Piasoft (talk) 01:38, 10 February 2010 (UTC) However the map should recognize that legally the U.N. and E.U. are status neutral on the issue of Kosovo, and according to current standards on accuracy the dispute should be reflected on the map, as the constitution of Kosovo is not internationally recognized and the Serbian Constitution then would legally be able to have an affect on marriage in Kosovo. The map itself is not status neutral in this regard as it should have Kosovo be a lighter shade of orange to reflect the dispute and the border should be dashed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.21.222.230 (talk) 20:47, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

LGBT rights in Ireland

On 1 July, 2010 the Civil Partnership Bill passed all stages.[2]

Therefore the map needs to be updated to mark Ireland as "Other type of partnership". (Rasbora100 (talk) 14:48, 12 July 2010 (UTC))

EU discrimination laws

As a member of the EU do you not need to ban all discrimination on the basis of sexuality? A lot of the countries in the EU are listed as banning some instead of all. is this correct? Rctycoplay (talk) 19:20, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

This is correct. Ron 1987 (talk) 19:28, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Liechtenstein

On 16 March, 2011 Liechtenstein parliament passed legislation to allwow civil unions. 92.252.112.31 (talk) 15:22, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

"gay people enjoy far greater acceptance in Europe than on any other continent"

Does it include Australia?--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 17:56, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, at first glance, I see the entire first paragraph is verbatim from http://www.gay-europe.eu/ .... however, looking at older versions of Wikipedia the wording is different, so I believe this is one of those situations where they copied from us, not us from them. So there's no plagiarism problem. But on the other hand, that seems to be the only relevant content on that site, which means that citations to gay-europe are essentially citations to Wikipedia and therefore it must be removed. —Soap— 18:05, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

By country instead of regions?

Hey, could we possibly make a lost of all countries in one table? It's very cionfusing t actually find a country in all these regions? --Rejedef (talk) 20:42, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Sweden does allow MSMs to donate blood

Since 2010-04-01 Socialstyrelsen (The National Board of Health and Welfare) has changed the regulation to allow for MSMs to donate blood if they haven't had sex for 12 months. (Though blood donor centers have received dispensations to give them time to adapt to the new regulation, but since november 2011 no new dispensations are given out and centers around the country will have to adapt during 2012.)

Sources (Swedish) http://www.socialstyrelsen.se/fragorochsvar/blodgivningforandradereglerfra http://geblod.nu/press/blodcentralerna-oppnar-upp-for-man-som-har-haft-sex-med-man-att-provas-som-blodgivare/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.227.235.11 (talk) 16:20, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Table headers

You may be interested in the discussion at Talk:LGBT rights by country or territory#Consistency of table headings across the continents regarding the column headers of the tables included in this article. - htonl (talk) 19:23, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Orphaned references in LGBT rights in Europe

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Reference named "ILGA 2012":

  • From LGBT rights in Azerbaijan: State-sponsored Homophobia A world survey of laws prohibiting same sex activity between consenting adults
  • From LGBT rights in the European Union: Ottosson, Daniel. "State-sponsored Homophobia: A world survey of laws prohibiting same sex activity between consenting adults" (PDF). The International Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans and Intersex Association. Retrieved 30 September 2012.
  • From LGBT rights in Kazakhstan: "State-sponsored Homophobia: A world survey of laws prohibiting same sex activity between consenting adults" (PDF).
  • From LGBT rights in Denmark: State-sponsored Homophobia A world survey of laws criminalising same-sex sexual acts between consenting adults

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 04:49, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Gender identity - check or X mark where sterilisation required?

I've just added information on gender identity in Denmark and I've aligned it to Finland, i.e. an X mark for recognition only with sterilisation. But then, when you look at Belgium or France, for instance, they get a check mark for the same situation (sterilisation required). There should be a uniform way of doing this. As far as I'm concerned, both ways are okay (even a "check mark-slash-X mark" solution), but it should be uniform. (And BTW: The template talk page suggests to post this here, although this page says I should post this in the template talk page...) Sigur (talk) 23:11, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

"More progressive than any other continent"

The lead paragraph states that LGBT rights "are widely diverse in Europe per country but considered more progressive than any other continent". Considered by whom to be more progressive? Where is the reliable source stating that it is the most progressive? Absent the provision of some sources, this claim violates WP:V and should be deleted. It's also a debatable claim, given the state of LGBT rights in some countries in central and eastern Europe. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 19:00, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

You are correct. Rossoh (talk) 21:45, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Okay, I've removed the portion of the sentence at issue. It was added fairly recently, on April 28 of this year by an anon, and strikes me as an inappropriate synthesis of some of the facts in the lead paragraph. Stating that an entire continent is more progressive than anywhere else seems dubious factually, and it certainly doesn't meet our policies. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 17:56, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

"The only inhabited continent to do so"

This is blatantly false. One only needs to look at Australia, which is a country and continent to see that this sentence makes no sense. In addition, depending on how you define the America's, one could argue that all of North America has decriminalized same-sex relations. I know people like to "prop up" Europe for being progressive, but this is just a bit ridiculous. Chase1493 (talk) 03:19, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm not all that bothered by the statement, at least in terms of other continents. Although there is no clear consensus as to what constitutes the Australian continent (see Australia (continent) and Oceania), I believe that it is generally understood to be more than just the country of Australia, and there are countries (Solomon Islands, Papua New Guinea) where homosexuality is illegal. And while I agree with you that the term North America is often colloquially used to describe just Canada-U.S.-Mexico, I think the most common view is that it includes the Caribbean and Central America. The irony, of course, is that laws against homosexuality in all the above-noted regions are, as I understand it, the vestiges of European (in this case, British) colonialism. Thanks, Europe.

If there is an problem with the statement, I think it relates less to other continents, and more to whether homosexuality is truly legal in jurisdictions with anti-LGBT propaganda laws. I'm not sure that one can truly say that same-sex sexual activity is truly legal, when there are vague laws on the books prohibiting the "promotion" of "non-traditional sexual relationships". That issue does trouble me. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 13:08, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Same-sex sexual activity is illegal in Transnistria, which is in Europe. Although Transnistria is a partially recognized breakaway republic and so might not 'count', so is Northern Cyprus -- and this article states that Northern Cyprus was the last European country to decriminalize it. So either partially recognized countries 'count' and the European continent has not completely decriminalized homosexual acts, or they don't 'count' and the date should be revised to the last fully recognized country that decriminalized. My understanding is that the ban in Transnistria is 'real' (i.e. is in their 'laws' and enforced by the 'state') and that Transnistria is de facto operating as an independent country. DanTrent (talk) 15:27, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Please look at the Criminal Code of Transnistria that came into force in June 2002, that are no separate laws for prosecuting same-sex sexual acts other than the article that prosecutes committing 'sexual intercourse, sodomy and lesbianism' with a person under 16.
All the articles related to sexual crimes, have mentioned 'sexual intercourse, sodomy and lesbianism' at the same time.
Thus, same-sex sexual activity is LEGAL in Transnistria. Jonathankwanhc (talk) 06:22, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned references in LGBT rights in Europe

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Reference named "ILGA 2013":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 13:45, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Legality of gender change in Slovenia

It is suggested in this article that gender changes are not legal in Slovenia, backed by a reference to an article from Gay Star News, which in turn references a chart by Transgender Europe (TGEU), which states that gender change is not possible. However, information to the contrary can be found in plenty of articles in reliable Slovenian news outlets (RTV Slovenia, Delo, Mladina, Dnevnik) as well as in a legal journal (Pravna praksa). I realize all the sources are in Slovene, however, even a quick Google Translate treatment will reveal that legal gender change is indeed possible. edolen1 (talk) 23:45, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

The fact that they are in Slovene is not a problem. Feel free to change it with adding the Slovene references - as long as they really talk about legality of gender change in Slovenia. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 15:39, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Kosovo de jure same sex marriage

  • The Constitution of Kosovo does not define marriage between a man and a woman, and in fact says that anyone can enter into marriage.[1] In 2014, the President of the Constitutional Court said that Kosovo de jure indeed allows same sex marriages.[2]
  • The "Family Law of Kosovo" or Law nr. 2004/32 was published on January 1 2004 by the UNMIK, so it's invalid with the adaption of the new constitution in 2008, and therefore can't be a justification that same-sex marriage isn't de jure legal in Kosovo.[3]

--PjeterPeter (talk) 12:37, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Article 37: Based on free will, everyone enjoys the right to marry and the right to have a family as provided by law" (PDF). Constitution of Kosovo/Kushtetuta e Kosoves.
  2. ^ "Same-Sex Marriage Legal in Kosovo?". Human Rights Campaign. September 12, 2014.
  3. ^ "FAMILY LAW OF KOSOVO - Law Nr.2004/32".
Adoption of the constitution does not mean that the family law is invalid. The law was approved in 2006, not 2004, and it was done by the Kosovo's parliament. Citation from the Kosovo Assembly site: "Law is approved by Assembly of Kosovo, date 20 January 2006 and promulgated by UNMIK Regulation no. 2006/7 of date 16 February 2006". It is on the list of laws on the Ministry of Justice website. No information about invalidation. See [3], [4]. Ron 1987 (talk) 20:20, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

The map should be updated as it shows that Slovenia only recognizes civil partnership even though it legalized same-sex marriage in 2015. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.205.21.133 (talk) 18:22, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Commercial Surrogacy

I've noticed that on many of the individual pages, many countries are listed as having a ban on this practice. It also clarifies that it is illegal for heterosexual couples as well. Since it's illegal for anyone, regardless of sexual orientation, then it isn't a right denied. I've begun removing these from the tables on each country, unless there is a discrepancy as to who can have access, it shouldn't be listed. Chase1493 (talk) 21:43, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Conversion therapy ban for minors

Conversion therapies harm the mental health of the person, who should get "cured" of his non-heterosexuality to become heterosexual, which is not possible from a scientific point of view. Some countries have currently discussions if such "therapies" should be banned for minors. While adults could decide for themselves that they don't want to participate in such therapy, minors could be forced by their legal guardian(s).

A ban on conversion therapy for minors would ensure, that nobody could be forced into such treatments and to fight against the prejudice, that homosexuality (or any other non-heterosexuality) is a disease, which can be cured.

I suggest that "Conversion therapy ban for minors" is getting add to the legal summaries throughout this articel as well as in the country specific "LBGT rights in ..." articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by INooby (talk • contribs) 12:19, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

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Belarusian and Lithuanian Constitutions do not have an actual wording banning same-sex marriage!

My conclusion is made after reviewing the changes in the Armenian Constitution.

Before changing constitutional change in Armenia, the Constitution (perceived by the Armenian lawmakers and the LGBT groups) did not have a definition of marriage. Article 35 of the (old) Constitution of The Republic of Armenia stated that: 'Men and women of marriageable age have the right to marry and found a family according to their free will. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and divorce.' It was until the approval of the Constitutional Amendments in Armenia in December 2015, the wording was changed to explicitly ban same-sex marriage. Article 35 was replaced by Article 34 of the (current) constitution, which states that: 'Men and women of marriageable age have the right to marry with EACH OTHER and found a family according to their free will.' Thus, the current Constitution is limiting the freedom of marriage to opposite sex.

Then, we look at the articles in the Constitution of Belarus and Lithuania. Article 32 of the Belarusian Constitution states that 'On reaching the age of consent a woman and a man shall have the right to enter into marriage on a voluntary basis and found a family.', while Article 38 of the Lithuanian Constitution states that 'Marriage shall be concluded upon the free mutual consent of man and woman.' Both articles in the current Belarusian and Lithuanian Constitution contained a similar meaning with Article 35 of the old Armenian Constitution. Based on the comparison of the content of these Constitutional Articles, if the actual effect of the Constitutional statements remains unknown and no court or Constitutional decision has been made, the Belarusian and Lithuanian Constitutions should NOT be perceived as having a ban on same-sex marriage.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathankwanhc (talk • contribs) 14:59, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Italy in ILGA 2016 report, poll numbers

Italy's poll percentage for the statement "LGB people should have the same rights as heterosexual people" have been repeatedly changed in the article, while other countries' numbers haven't been touched. I've read and re-read the source, and it seems evident that the number given for Italy is 72% (page 96). If anybody sees a reason to doubt that, we should discuss it here, because these repeated changes look suspicious. Sigur (talk) 20:09, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Agreed. I was also confused as there are several questions for each country. The header is, however, misleading as the ILGA report may be from 2016, but the stats being presented are from Eurobarometer 2015, so I'm changing the table header to reflect this. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:33, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

No more sterilisation in France

Since october 2016, sterilisation is no more requierd to change sexe in France: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/14/french-law-scraps-sterilisation-for-transgender-people/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.115.162.223 (talk) 13:12, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

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Germany

The statement "Germany bans all anti-gay discrimination" is completely false (except from some Bundesland). The first reference (to the AGG - Act Implementing European Directives Putting Into Effect the Principle of Equal Treatment) is actually not correct. Germany has an anti-discrimination law that states only a ban of distrimination in professional field but concerning Civil Rights states(AGG "Antidiskriminierungsstelle [[5]]:

"Prohibition of Discrimination Under Civil Law (1) Any discrimination on the grounds of race or ethnic origin, sex, religion, disability, age or sexual orientation shall be illegal when founding, executing or terminating civil-law obliga- tions which 1. typicallyarisewithoutregardofpersoninalargenumberofcasesundercomparablecondi- tions (bulk business) or where the regard of person is of subordinate significance on account of the obligation and the comparable conditions arise in a large number of cases ; or which 2. have as their object a private-law insurance. (2) Any discrimination on the grounds of race or ethnic origin shall furthermore be illegal within the meaning of Section 2(1) Nos 5 to 8 when founding, executing or terminating other civil-law obligations. (3) In the case of rental of housing, a difference of treatment shall not be deemed to be discrim- ination where they serve to create and maintain stable social structures regarding inhabitants and balanced settlement structures, as well as balanced economic, social and cultural condi- tions. (4) The provisions set out in Part 3 shall not apply to obligations resulting from family law and the law of succession. (5) The provisions set out in Part 3 shall not apply to civil-law obligations where the parties or their relatives are closely related or a relationship of trust exists. As regards tenancy, this may in particular be the case where the parties or their relatives use housing situated on the same plot of land. The rental of housing for not only temporary use shall generally not constitute business within the meaning of Subsection (1) No 1 where the lessor does not let out more than 40 apartments in total."


Nevertheless, in the German Constitution, there's a ban for the discrimination of people based on Gender, Religion, Language, Origin, etc. but NOT against Sexual Orientation (Deutsche Verfassung Art. 3 Abs. 3):

"(3) Niemand darf wegen seines Geschlechtes, seiner Abstammung, seiner Rasse, seiner Sprache, seiner Heimat und Herkunft, seines Glaubens, seiner religiösen oder politischen Anschauungen benachteiligt oder bevorzugt werden. Niemand darf wegen seiner Behinderung benachteiligt werden." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:6A:6B06:B8A2:C9A8:1CD9:8DE5:150D (talk) 19:55, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

The anti-discrimination provision in the German Basic Law (constitution) extends to sexual orientation as per relevant case-law, BUT this only applies to public authorities - not to the guy who is going to sell his car to someone paying less than you would have paid, just because you're gay. For the rest, the scope of anti-discrimination protection is indeed defined in the AGG as mentioned above. Is that broad enough to be "all"? I doubt it, but then I doubt even more that countries like Bulgaria or Lithuania are going as far as that. So, I guess we would first of all need to define what we mean by "all", and then agree that we need decent sources for any assertion on the matter. Until that day, I'm not going to touch that column, because it's the best recipe to get into an edit war... Sigur (talk) 21:32, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
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