Talk:Kiss Me (Sixpence None the Richer song)

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Klingon cover version[edit]

Improvised Star Trek has released a Klingon version of this song (link). The song has received publicity from sites such as MTV Geek!, The Mary Sue and Gizmodo France. As a big Klingon fan I don't feel I'm objective enough to decide if this is notable enough for a mention in the covers section, so I figure I'll leave it here for others to decide. --Tesseraktik (talk) 20:02, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Avril Lavigne cover[edit]

I have searched for proof of the existence of a cover by Avril Lavigne, but found none convincing. Of course, you can find a lot of youtube videos, but they all are hoaxes, reusing the Sixpence None The Richer - Kiss Me acoustic version. I compared the musical footprint and they are exactly the same. So if you get the urge to had back the cover, please cite a good reference. 89.83.73.89 (talk) 19:12, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have found one old video from RomanLine Ent. where she did a cover of this song when she was about fifteen. But doesn't change the fact that it's not quite an acoustic version, and all other videos are most likely hoaxes. 89.83.73.89 (talk) 01:59, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Unclear move[edit]

This article was recently moved because "another Wikipedia page has the same song title". I don't see that article or the title. Can someone shed some light on this? Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:10, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

At the top of the article, it clearly states this: For the song by Stephen Duffy, see Kiss Me (Tin Tin song). --IPadPerson (talk) 20:21, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I thought it was something that you had recently added, but it was there for a while. There's a reason why there was no DAB, this is clearly the primary topic. Does anyone see a reason why it shouldn't be moved back? Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:44, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Why I think it should not be moved back is because those who searched the article before I moved it may have gotten mixed up with the Tin Tin song and the Sixpence None the Richer song of the same name and may not read what is on the top of this song's article, and may wanted it to be moved beforehand.--IPadPerson (talk) 21:10, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:Primary Topic. The DAB hatnote takes care of the few readers who may have stumbled across this version looking for the other. I'll see if I can find stats. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:37, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Article 2014-03 2014-04
Kiss Me (Tin Tin song) 549 387
With Every Heartbeat (film) 3857 2797
Kiss Me old title 15291 9802
Kiss Me (Sixpence None the Richer song) 228

The original had nearly 30 times the page views. The new article has nearly double the page views in less than half a day compared to the Tin Tin song's page for the entirety of last month. Similarly https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikiviewstats/ supports those numbers. I'm moving this article back if there are no further questions. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:47, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just a note that "old title" above is only Wikipedia "old title", the film is still retailed on DVD in Europe Amazon.co.uk Kiss Me DVD] with the European release title. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:18, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested moves[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 23:12, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]


– I originally moved this in August, because it's quite clearly the primary topic. It gets more than 10 times the number of views of the other pages.[1][2][3] Unreal7 (talk) 17:45, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It would not be WP:PRIMARYTOPIC because it doesn't have more longterm encyclopedic significance than every other "Kiss Me" since the 1929 Noel Coward song through to the 2011 Swedish Kiss Me (film) combined. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is not restricted to what articles en.wp editors create because we have a massive overload to post-2007 entertainment subjects, but to what is encyclopedic. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:14, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If something isn't notable enough to at least have some useful information about it on another article releated to it (not necessarily an independent article, e.g. Niall Horan, Zayn Malik and Liam Payne - or in this case a cover version such as the New Found Glory version of this song), then it's not notable: i.e. since only the two songs with articles have any useful article information, only they are notable (I haven't ignored With Every Heartbeat or Mambo No. Sex BTW, but that's not either of their real titles and almost no one is viewing them under the alternative titles anyway - they're searching for the real titles).[4][5] And since the SNTR song is more notable than the Tin Tin song, it IS the primary topic. Unreal7 (talk) 22:43, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support per nom. Agree based on pageviews, commercial success, use in film and television, and covers, but not completely certain. Melonkelon (talk) 02:09, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd like to see statistics for views of this page compared to the others. If it is the primary topic, it would make sense to move it, otherwise, no. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:25, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    Here you go.[6][7] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unreal7 (talk • contribs)
  • Oppose nominator does not list all values of "Kiss Me" found at the disambiguation page, and only chose songs. There are other values of "Kiss Me" which are not songs on the disambiguation page, such as the Swedish film released in Britain as "Kiss Me", etc. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 07:57, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    This gets more than double the film too.[8] And as for the album, need I say more?[9] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unreal7 (talk • contribs)
    Clearly, then this is not the primary topic per your own stats. It doesn't greatly exceed all other values. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 03:54, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per WP:SONGDAB. This one particular song is NOT more significant than all all others with this title and therefore fails WP:PRIMARYTOPIC --Richhoncho (talk) 20:08, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    How is it not? Just stating that it isn't proves nothing. Unreal7 (talk) 22:24, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support as clear primary topic (pageviews, chart significance, etc). Simply asserting that the song is not the primary topic means absolutely nothing. Pageviews make it pretty clear. I thank In ictu oculi for a good laugh; bemoaning that WP is biased towards post-2007 material while opposing the primacy of a song that came out in the 90's was enjoyable (granted, it did make logical sense in context, but that's not how I originally read it, and I found it funny). Red Slash 23:46, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The point about "2007" is the 2007 cover Kiss Me (New Found Glory song) which would be bumping hits for the original. Again, User:Red Slash how many hits for this song in Google Books compared to all other subjects for "Kiss Me" combined? In ictu oculi (talk) 00:06, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Simply stating "pageviews, chart significance" means absolutely nothing without supporting it with metrics. I asked for them above and still don't know how to find them. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:05, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
What? I replied to your comment by giving the other two article page stats above! (the original three are in the lead - sorry for shouting BTW). Also, this song had far more chart success than the Tin Tin song - that one you can surely see for yourself (so it was already very popular prior to the 2007 cover). What other evidence do you want? Unreal7 (talk) 23:29, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
What? That's only 2 entries from the list of more than 20. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:11, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Those have only just been put on to the disambiguation page, do you seriously think they're going to have any traffic? Unreal7 (talk) 07:34, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No clue. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:40, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support. By any criteria, this is the primary topic. On the other hand, it's such an obvious and popular song title that it's probably only a matter of time before it loses this primariness. This doesn't count as an argument against the move, see WP:BALL, but it means that leaving it where it is probably does no long-term damage. Andrewa (talk) 20:35, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. All evidence suggests this is the primary topic.--Cúchullain t/c 18:35, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Really? I've been asking for proof so what have you seen? Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:29, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      • Evidence has been provided on several occasions. -- Calidum 17:54, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I have not seen convincing evidence that this is the primary topic. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:58, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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We performed it that night! I went down into his room and we made love. It was an instant hit with fans, but it was still like a year and a half before we done it.

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