Talk:Kalinga Institute of Social Sciences

Regarding What information we can provide in this article?

Respected @BrownHairedGirl:, Can you look at the contribution history of this article. Recently i added some information to this article. But User:Muhandes continuously reverting my edits. Saying the source and information i provided is about Institute not about University. And my contribution to the article are unconstructive! (We have some argument in talk section – See here)

The fact is that Kalinga Institute of Social Science is NGO (funded by KIIT University) based educational institution, have multiple campus (the satellite campus are in partnership with others govt body or subsidiary of industrial company). The institute is providing education from standard-1 to PhD level. In 2017, UGC awarded Deemed University status for 12th to PhD level education and the remaining are under institute.

The problem/argument is that this article is grown up as Education Institute and now almost converted University article. And now the User:Muhandes only saying about the university but not about the institute. (No hate/disrespect to the user but I think the user is putting some ownership in this article) So my question is should we regard this article as University article and create another article for Institute (article name like Kalinga Institute of Social Science (school) or Kalinga Institute of Social Science (campus)). Or consider this article as one article University and Educational Institution ?

catch:
Institute website — kiss.ac.in
University website — university.kiss.ac.in

Waiting for your response.
Thank you
MaxA-Matrix (talk) 00:23, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

I am amazed when Controversy details are removed from the article! (🤔😯)
MaxA-Matrix (talk) 00:35, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi @MaxA-Matrix, and @Muhandes.

I have just spent a few minutes reviewing the edit history, and also looking at User talk:MaxA-Matrix#July_2022 (permalink).

It seems that the kernel of the dispute is whether we are dealing with:

1. A University called "Kalinga Institute of Social Sciences" which shares the same name as a set of secondary schools
2. An educational body with multiple levels of education under one umbrella, i.e. both schools and a university.

After reading both your contributions, I am unsure which is the case. I have not done my own research, because I lack tany contextual knowledge.

This is unfamiliar territory to me. I am used to the structures in Ireland and England, where educational bodies usually occupy one level at a time. The exceptions are some schools which include both primary and secondary division, but the boundary between secondary and higher education is rigid. Some universities in both countries had their origins in secondary or further education (see e.g. Technological University Dublin and University of Bradford), but in every case that I am aware of, they have occupied only one level at any given time.

That does not appear to be the case in India, where educational structures have followed a different set of paths, to reflect the greater diversity of circumstances in India. I am not familiar with those Indian structures, so it would be foolish to for me to offer any opinion on how to view the structures in this case.

I suggest that input should be sought from WP:WikiProject India, where I hope that there are some editors with a solid overview of the educational frameworks and experience of how Wikipedia has documented similar educational institutions.

Good luck! BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:07, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

I think we all agree that the name "Kalinga Institute of Social Sciences" is used for both a deemed university and a multiple-level educational institute. As MaxA-Matrix pointed out, this is easily demonstrable looking at the top and logo on this and this. When I approached the article it was very clearly dealing with the deemed university, and this seems to be the case for most of its short history. I think there is agreement (or at least no objection) that the deemed university is notable. Therefore, there should be an article about the university.

Having said that, there is nothing stopping MaxA-Matrix from creating a separate article about the educational institute, if they think it is notable. If they don't think it is notable, their argument really makes no sense; why overwrite a notable subject with a non-notable one? --Muhandes (talk) 09:53, 25 July 2022 (UTC)