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You don't see that Osama bin Laden is defined in the opening statement as a terrorist although throughout the World "He's most known as a" terrorist.93.138.9.151 (talk) 16:20, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Rated start-Class today. Requires infobox, image if possible, re-write suspect section on "in popular culture" which may be perceived as a trivia section in its present form. Ref ^(chew)(do) 18:56, 22 April 2008 (UTC) Uprated to B-Class after re-write, addition of infobox, and good quality image (not of the subject himself). A slim B. Ref ^(chew)(do) 18:43, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 18:43, 24 April 2008 (UTC). Substituted at 20:15, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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His motivation???[edit]

Did they ever figure out his motivation? I guess he never volunteered one since he maintains his innocence. What did the psychiatrists say? Thanks in advance to anybody who has information on this.Betathetapi545 (talk) 17:21, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

His daughter has said that he received some kind of sexual gratification from setting the fires. Bratsj (talk) 18:43, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

He investigated his own crimes and found points of origin. No one else could because he started the fires. 192.198.57.217 (talk) 04:04, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Update on Pseudonym: For what it's worth, The American Prison Writing Archive at Hamilton College has entries written by John L. Orr published under the pseudonym of Bryce Canyon with prisoner number P-13502. --Legomancer (talk) 05:13, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Orr is in the the California Department of Corrections inmate database.[edit]

There is a John Leonard Orr in the California Incarcerated Records and Information Search (CIRIS) database, which contradicts with the last line of the Trial and Conviction portion of this article. Here is the link to his page in the database: https://apps.cdcr.ca.gov/ciris/details?cdcrNumber=P13502 2601:646:4300:780:1CAE:4589:D087:C3AF (talk) 06:12, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]