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Regardless of whether using just an image of the dustjacket of a book is potentially a copyright violation that requires a fair-use rationale in order to avert, the fact is that the image here couldn't possibly be an image of a 1901 edition as stated: For one thing, the typeface at the top didn't exist in 1901. It's actually an image of the cover of a 1983 edition. The image caption needs correction. Wbkelley 14:08, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Collaboration with Havelock Ellis

The article does not mention Symond's role as a collaborator and co-author with Havelock Ellis for Sexual inversion (1897), which was a pioneering work in sexology. I think this is more relevant than who might possibly have had a crush on his daughter.129.177.213.54 (talk) 13:19, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

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Greek love material

I'm pasting here some referenced material from Greek love since it specifically deals with Symonds. Please use it here where it properly belongs. McOoee (talk) 00:05, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Symonds and Greek ethics. Merged  Done

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John Addington Symonds, in a photo he signed for Walt Whitman

In 1873, the poet and literary critic John Addington Symonds wrote A Problem in Greek Ethics, a work of what could later be called "gay history," inspired by the poetry of Walt Whitman.[1] The work, "perhaps the most exhaustive eulogy of Greek love,"[2] remained unpublished for a decade, and then was printed at first only in a limited edition for private distribution.[3] Although the Oxford English Dictionary credits the medical writer C.G. Chaddock for introducing "homosexual" into the English language in 1892, Symonds had already used the word in A Problem in Greek Ethics.[4] Symonds's approach throughout most of the essay is primarily philological. He treats "Greek love" as central to Greek "esthetic morality."[2] Aware of the taboo nature of his subject matter, Symonds referred obliquely to pederasty as "that unmentionable custom" in a letter to a prospective reader of the book,[5] but defined "Greek love" in the essay itself as "a passionate and enthusiastic attachment subsisting between man and youth, recognised by society and protected by opinion, which, though it was not free from sensuality, did not degenerate into mere licentiousness."[6]

Symonds studied classics under Benjamin Jowett at Balliol College, Oxford, and later worked with Jowett on an English translation of Plato's Symposium.[7] When Jowett was critical of Symonds' opinions on sexuality,[8] Symonds asserted that "Greek love was for Plato no 'figure of speech,' but a present and poignant reality. Greek love is for modern studies of Plato no 'figure of speech' and no anachronism, but a present poignant reality."[9] Symonds struggled against the desexualization of "Platonic love," and sought to debunk the association of effeminacy with homosexuality by advocating a Spartan-inspired view of male love as contributing to military and political bonds.[10] When Symonds was falsely accused of corrupting choirboys, Jowett supported him, despite his own equivocal views of the relation of Hellenism to contemporary legal and social issues that affected homosexuals.[11]

Symonds also translated classical poetry on homoerotic themes, and wrote poems drawing on ancient Greek imagery and language such as Eudiades, which has been called "the most famous of his homoerotic poems": "The metaphors are Greek, the tone Arcadian and the emotions a bit sentimental for present-day readers."[12]

One of the ways in which Symonds and Whitman expressed themselves in their correspondence on the subject of homosexuality was through references to ancient Greek culture, such as the intimate friendship between Callicrates, "the most beautiful man among the Spartans," and the soldier Aristodemus.[13]

  1. ^ Katz, Love Stories, p. 244. Katz notes that "Whitman's knowledge of and response to ancient Greek love is the subject for a major study" (p. 381, note 6).
  2. ^ a b DeJean, "Sex and Philology," p. 139.
  3. ^ Katz, Love Stories, p. 244. A Problem in Greek Ethics was later published without attribution in Havelock Ellis's Sexual Inversion (1897); see Eric O. Clarke, Virtuous Vice: Homoeroticism and the Public Sphere (Duke University Press, 2000), p. 144.
  4. ^ DeJean, "Sex and Philology," p. 132, pointing to the phrase "homosexual relations" (here as it appears in the later 1908 edition).
  5. ^ Katz, Love Stories, p. 262.
  6. ^ As quoted by Pulham, Art and Transitional Object, p. 59, and Anne Hermann, Queering the Moderns: Poses/Portraits/Performances (St. Martin's Press, 2000), p. 148.
  7. ^ Robert Aldrich, The Seduction of the Mediterranean: Writing, Art, and Homosexual Fantasy (Routledge, 1993), p. 78.
  8. ^ Dowling, Hellenism and Homosexuality, p. 74, notes that Jowett, in his lectures and introductions, discussed love between men and women when Plato himself had been talking about the Greek love for boys.
  9. ^ Aldrich, The Seduction of the Mediterranean, p. 78, citing a letter written by Symonds. Passage discussed also by Dowling, Hellenism and Homosexuality, p. 130 and Bart Schultz, Henry Sidgwick: An Intellectual Biography (Cambridge University Press, 2004), p. 381.
  10. ^ Dowling, Hellenism and Homosexuality, p. 130.
  11. ^ Dowling, Hellenism and Homosexuality, pp. 88, 91.
  12. ^ Aldrich, The Seduction of the Mediterranean, p. 78.
  13. ^ Katz, Love Stories, pp. 243–244.

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"egalitarian" linked to gay article

Any reasoning behind this? Gay has no mention of "egalitarian" being a synonym for it. --2605:A601:4372:6B00:E9D8:4AB7:F03:465B (talk) 23:42, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

"Legacy" section has inappropriate tone

A large part of John_Addington_Symonds#Legacy seems copied from this 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica entry and uses flowery language. --2605:A601:4372:6B00:E9D8:4AB7:F03:465B (talk) 23:47, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Symonds case history in Sexual Inversion by Havelock Ellis

According to Rictor Norton, Symonds case history is featured in Sexual Inversion by Havelock Ellis, as Case XVIII. — AnnaBruta (talk) 18:59, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

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