Talk:Joey Jordison/GA2

GA Review[edit]

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In the gear section, there are mistakes. If you go to http://www.pearldrum.com/Artists/Drumset-Artists.aspx?id=16, you will find that joey uses 2 p-1000 pedal,not a iron cobra double, and that he uses a 14x6.5" referance snare. Ive seen slipknot live so ive seen the drums he uses and ive been playing the drums for years so i know what im talking about. You can also include that he uses Pearl Referance drums with a Piano Black with Slipknot S and gold hardware, which is also found on his page on pearldrum.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.24.173.72 (talk • contribs) 27 August 2009

Your actual Good Article review follows.

GA review (see here for criteria)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS):
Prose issues are bellow. I think the lead could stand to be a bit longer. And can the gear list be made multi-column to save some space?
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
I've not yet looked over sources, but the formatting looks fine. On the surface, the article does not appear to have any OR issues. (Update: Sourcing issues below.)
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
In terms of prose, this article is strictly biographical in nature. A more comprehensive article would most likely detail his musical style (drumming style, etc.), and critical reception of him as a musician. I saw that the last reviewer noted a lack of details on his personal life, but I understand your response. This is a short article, but looking around at other musician GAs, there are plenty of this length, some with only biography and some with multiple things. For GA, what's here is probably fine, but going forward I'd suggest looking into other aspects of Jordison's career.
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It would seem you have some conflicts regarding the gear list. Since what musicians play probably changes occasionally, listing the "standard equipment" detailed in this interview is a good idea.
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
As the previous reviewer said, a closer headshot would be nice, but not needed.
Overall: Failed because issues were not addressed within two weeks.
Pass/Fail:

I'll be back later to talk sources. For now, some writing issues to consider:

Lead:

The meaning of the "#1" is a bit confusing until you reach the Slipknot section. Any way you can clarify what that means here?
How is Jordison's relative height to other members of Slipknot important?

Early life:

The whole first paragraph feels choppy, with a lot of short sentences.
2nd paragraph: Did the band only release their demos after all the lineup-changes had stopped?
3rd paragraph: What exactly is a "Sinclair garage"?
~~3rd paragraph: Jordison was also involved in a band that was formed partly as a joke and called Anal Blast with Paul Gray. This sentence is awkward to read. Can it be rearranged?~~

I tried to change this myself, although it isn't ideal: Jordison was also involved in a band with Paul Gray, formed mostly as a joke called Anal Blast. --gakon5 (talk)

Slipknot:

1st paragraph: Can you expand on what "lost" means? Was Jordison lost in life?
1st paragraph: Clarify that early Slipknot held its meetings at the Sinclar garage.
1st paragraph: First to arrive and last to leave... practice?

Murderdolls:

While touring Ozzfest in 2001—while supporting Slipknot's album Iowa—Jordison... Reword this to not have two "while"s.

My version: While touring Ozzfest in 2001 to support Slipknot's recently-released album Iowa --gakon5 (talk)

How does the band "use" horror movies to inspire lyrics? Is it the themes, or the action, or what?
Where did the Murderdolls return from in 2002?

Other musical endeavours:

3rd paragraph: Expand on what Roadrunner United is. In the second sentence you mention "the album" but have given no context for what this album is.
Jordison wrote and produced music for RU "as a team captian", but did he also perform drums as a part of his role as "team captain"?

Citations:

The whole second paragraph of the Slipknot section is unreferenced, as indicated by the {{fact}} tag already there.
Jordison's filmography should be cited, most likely with something from IMDB.
What is that weird sentence tacked-on at the end of Equipment doing? It's confusing, oddly formatted, and has no source.
Source #6[1] This review of a Slipknot album doesn't well affirm that Jordison is "one of the most dedicated members of the band."
Source #7[2] ...and is reportedly "the first to arrive and the last to leave." This suggests that someone else said this about Jordison, when this was actually Jordison talking about himself.
That whole sentence puts Jordison in a more positive light than you can back up with either of those sources.
Source #8[3] Link doesn't seem to lead anywhere useful.
Source #10[4] Acey Slade isn't mentioned in this article. It looks like the following source covers that, though.
Source #11[5] If you mean to link to the official biography, fix the link, which currently goes to the Wikipedia mirror.
Source #15[6] Later in the year, Manson revealed that Jordison had been working with him on his new album The Golden Age of Grotesque. Jordison had in fact worked on guitars but the track did not appear on the album. Can you better source the second sentence? The article linked only says the tracks "may or may not" be on the album, as this was before the album was released.
Source #25[7] According to the linked article, Jordison set a record as the "only artist to play the festival multiple times in four different high-profile bands," not "the first musician ever to perform on five different occasions at the Download Festival in England."
Source #30 Your source to Drummer could stand to be more filled out. I can't even find what this magazine is online.
WP:RS: The only sites I found sketchy were MusicOMH[8] and The Gauntlet[9] However, each have conducted interviews with major bands, and MOMH has been around for a long time. At the same time, the MOHM review is being used to cite the idea that Jordison is the most dedicated member of Slipknot. You could stand to have better backing for that statement.

I plan on copyediting the article myself, since it's got a number of minor issues not related to content. --gakon5 (talk) 21:41, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Added source issues. I will scrutinize the reliability of each source... tomorrow. Most of them seem fine, though. I will also get to that copyedit tomorrow. --gakon5 (talk) 02:19, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've said all I can for now. Just waiting on some changes. --gakon5 (talk) 01:03, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's been nearly two weeks and nothing has happened to this article, so it will be failed for now. When you seek to improve the article in the future, hopefully this will be a good reference. --gakon5 (talk) 04:40, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]