Talk:Jessica F. Cantlon

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Reason Article[edit]

So "funded by koch" obviously means that he is the direct editor? Or is the person who reverted that reverting changes based on conspiracy theory mumbo-jumbo. If Koch funded a study of gravity it wouldn't discount the findings of the study. This is soo immature that I need an adult to come in and lecture that person please. You can revert the changes all you want, but your reasoning is immature and the language you used in the reverts also shows an immaturity to the process of, you know, cataloging information.If anyone would like I would love to see the rebuttal of Hertzog's reporting plus a list of the factual inaccuracies of Reason.com which should be easy to find. Except for it's incredibly high standards of fact checking. I assume were they so-known as conspiracy peddlers then their Wikipedia entry would say so. 73.60.59.91 (talk) 19:39, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source is not credible -- no plaintiffs were interviewed, its based on only the testimony of Jaeger and a report taken down by the university, was published in a magazine with right-wing funding. Nimchimpski (talk) 05:22, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Can we get someone to ban this sockpuppet? My apologies but information is not destroyed or lost just because a college was afraid of lawsuits and wanted an issue to go away. For instance if a wife abused by her husband decides to forgive and stay with that person it doesn't mean that the abuse never happened. These (multiple) reports exist and are linked. They were done by actual investigators and as far as anyone can honestly say were done in good-faith. Removing them because of your own individual and particular bias and conspiracy theories about funding is not good justification. ```` 73.60.59.91 (talk) 18:47, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is noteworthy that two users, with no edits except to Celeste Kidd, Richard N. Aslin, and Jessica F. Cantlon are working to suppress and hide all evidence of the Reason article that shows that the investigation against Florian Jaeger was apparently malicious and without merit. At worst, this is sock-puppeting from one of those three individuals (or their close associates); at best, it is a politically-motivated attempt to avoid any counter-narrative -- which seems in keeping with the actions of Kidd, Aslin, and Cantlon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.42.21.228 (talk) 19:13, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is unsettling and interesting and I would love someone at wikipedia to weigh in on it. ```` 73.60.59.91 (talk) 02:46, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ANYONE ACTUALLY WANT TO USE THE TALK PAGE??73.60.59.91 (talk) 16:05, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I’m going to add in the information from the white report[edit]

And reference Katie hertzog’s reason article. Anybody have an issue with that? 174.192.6.133 (talk) 17:33, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I came here after reading the Reason.com article. Anything you can add based on reliable sources is welcome, but of course it would be best to add references that have no political leanings. Be careful not to take things out of context, because there could be yet another blowup of this thing. IBE (talk) 21:16, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
174.192.6.133@, @It's Been Emotional:, this page seems to be monitored pretty heavily by either user:nimchimpsky's socks or persons interested in pov-pushing the same whitewashing viewpoints. I've placed it on my personal watchlist, but it'd be a good idea to raise it on wp:AN as well if the povpushing continues. 142.157.236.100 (talk) 03:57, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BLP complaint[edit]

There was alledgedly a BLP complaint against the following content, reproduced here.

Extended content
A March, 2022 article by Katie Herzog in Reason Magazine called the narrative against Jaeger into question, noting that several in-depth investigations into Jaeger's conduct found that he had not violated any university policies, and that his accusers, including Cantlon, appeared to engage in a protracted smear campaign, including threats of deportation based on claims that were "largely without factual basis," and had been "embellished," "distorted," or "unduly sensationalized" in an effort to "demonize" Jaeger.[1] However, Herzog did not interview the plaintiffs nor draw on the evidence in their legal documents. Herzog's article also, repeatedly referenced the investigations that cleared Jaeger without noting that in response to the plaintiff's reporting of how these investigations were flawed, the university revamped its investigative processes [2] Herzog's piece also did not address the complaints form other students at the University of Rochester about Jaeger, some of whom have spoken out publicly[3][4] nor the problematic behavior found in Jaeger's case, including his sending an unwanted picture of his penis to a student ("one of the women characterized the photo she received as an attempt by Jaeger to get her attention, which initially angered her, while the other was uncomfortable with the picture and believed it was meant 'to taunt her,'"), commenting on the vagina taste of another, and other actions that caused students to miss educational opportunities[5] which were credited in the University's reports.[6]

I don't think this complaint is valid. In the interest of getting consensus however, I'd like to leave a straw poll open.

  1. Re-include this section in the article
  2. Do not include this information as written in the article, but add wording to the effect that her and co-plaintiff's allegations have been called into question, and that no trial of the facts was taken before the university settled
  3. Do not include this information in the article at all.


I think that we should go with 2, and include the exonerating investigations. The section is meticulously well-sourced, does not raise any BLP issues (certainly not defamation, whereas the allegations against dr. Jaeger in the same article could certainly be a BLP issue itself!), and is a very important update on previously mentioned information. 142.157.236.100 (talk) 04:07, 13 March 2024 (UTC) 142.157.236.100 (talk) 04:07, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Herzog, Katie. "How an Academic Grudge Turned Into a #MeToo Panic". Reason Magazine. Retrieved March 14, 2022.
  2. ^ "Status Update on the White Report Recommendations". University of Rochester. Retrieved March 22, 2022.
  3. ^ Issen, Laurel (2017). "University systems allow sexual harassers to thrive". Nature. Retrieved March 22, 2022.
  4. ^ Gorman, Kris (2018). "U. of Rochester Report on Professor's Alleged Harassment Gets Mixed Reviews". Chronicle of Higher Education. Retrieved March 22, 2022.
  5. ^ Piantadosi, Steven (January 23, 2018). "Letter: White report moves UR, and women, backward". Retrieved March 22, 2022.
  6. ^ Debevoise & Plimpton, LLP (January 11, 2017). "The Report of the Independent Investigation" (Press release). University of Rochester.
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