Talk:Jean Jules Verdenal

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Notability[edit]

Verdenal may be the key to understanding a large portion of T.S. Eliot's poem, The Waste Land. He may be represented as Phlebas the Phonecian and the Hyacinth girl. This still has to be worked into the main article in an encyclopedic way. WikiParker (talk) 11:12, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not eliminate this article. Verdenal is a mysterious background presence in the early life of Eliot -- an elusive, fascinating figure. Although tangential to Eliot in history, it is possible that Verdenal's friendship was decisive in cementing the character (and debated homosexuality or bisexuality?) of Eliot. Grantsky (talk) 17:29, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Established notability by adding a section titled "Verdenal in publications." While this can be considered too much of a timeline instead of an article I hope to flesh it out more. WikiParker (talk) 19:35, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Short on detail[edit]

The article seems to be short on detail about what the evidence (e.g. letters) actually reveals of Verdenal's relationship to Eliot. Tsinfandel (talk) 14:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Birth[edit]

Book I have says he was born in 1889. Eliot got this wrong ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.246.80.219 (talk) 01:42, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. The date in the book may have come from the birth year that Eliot gave in his Prufrock dedication. This dedication date may have been a guess of Verdenal's year of birth based on their ages. For example, an example only, Eliot, born in September 1888, would have been 22 in June 1911 and at that time Verdenal, born in May 1890, would have been 21. If Eliot remembered that one year difference in 1917 when the dedication in Prufrock and Other Observations was made he could have guessed that Verdenal's birth year was in the year following his own birth. WikiParker (talk) 14:54, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]