Talk:Jason Xenakis

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-- regarding "citation Needed"; I came across Xenakis, Jason, “Hippies and Cynics”, Apopira Publications, Athens, 1976, introduction by Leonidas Christakis, p.8, However, I don't have the primary source. For more details see:Christopher Lee

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https://modernstoicism.com/a-biographical-sketch-of-jason-xenakis-1923-1977-by-christopher-lee/

States “Writing in the introduction of ‘Hippies and Cynics’, Leonidas Christakis had called Xenakis, ‘The Philosopher of Suicide’ while a biographical note to the second edition of his book on Epictetus, published after his death, referred to him as ‘a theorist of suicide’.”

I am working on locating and verifying these primary sources. These are currently paywalled to me, and so if you have access to the primary sources please verify.

-- regarding "citation Needed"; I came across Xenakis, Jason, “Hippies and Cynics”, Apopira Publications, Athens, 1976, introduction by Leonidas Christakis, p.8 Emoritz2017 (talk) 20:30, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's fair to ask Why the interest in Jason Xenakis? While researching the concept and process of Understanding, and its use in AI for a recent essay I wrote, I came across the books, "From The Way Things Are" by Percy Bridgman.

Percy Williams Bridgman was one of US' premier physicists; He is responsible for the field of High Pressure Physics; Physics Nobel Prize 1946, FRS 1949. Here's the quote from his book that got me going with this

"Never ask “What does word X mean?” but ask instead “What do I mean when I say word X?” or “What do you mean when you say word X?” To agree to talk about meaning only in this sort of setting constitutes a considerable curtailment of conventional linguistic usage, which uses such expressions, for example, as “The word X has such and such a meaning.” An instructive exhibition of the many linguistic contexts in which the words “mean” and “meaning” occur is afforded by a paper by Jason Xenakis in Methodos 6 (1954), 299-329.  But, although we may renounce the possibility of saying many of the things which Xenakis says, I do not believe that we are making any essential surrender if we agree to talk about meaning in this book in such a way that it is only you and I that mean something when we say something, the physical utterance having no meaning as such. "

When someone like Bridgman takes the time to cite someone explicitly, it's definitely worth following up and sharing.

By the way, I am trying to locate that Methodos (1954) paper, seems invisible to the Web, If you have a pdf of it, Let me know Emoritz2017 (talk) 20:45, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]