Talk:James Nesbitt

Citizenship Clarification

Based on recent acceptance by the British Gov that people born to Northern Ireland are entitled to be Irish, without also being British, I have changed a couple of notations. Since James carries both a British and Irish passport I added "Irish" under citizenship, and removed "British" from the opening sentence as this label for people from Northern Ireland are invariably a point of contention, and with him accepting both it is disingenuous to refer to him as only "British." It seems to me in other articles saying both Irish AND British seems to create the same sort of arguements so leaving it as "from Northern Ireland" seems the safest option. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.102.70.174 (talk) 13:02, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

people born in Northern Ireland ARE automatically British, and it has nothing to do with the Good friday agreement, people cannot be born without a citizenship people in NI are British citizens with the option of being Irish citizens but its not automatic its a personal choice 2A02:C7C:4098:D700:BC21:8247:33CC:20AA (talk) 21:11, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Sarcastic comment?

The opening comment "an actor and presenter from Northern Ireland known for his extensive range of accents all from Northern Ireland" is obviously sarcastic and does not have a place here.

Native of which town?

Nesbitt didn't actually grow up in Coleraine, from what I remember my uncle (another actor) telling me. He comes from a nearby town, and I forget the name of it. If anyone knows the town, please replace Coleraine with it. --Mal 20:09, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Have now changed it to Bruogshone I love you James Nesbitt your hot really hot even if your old no Afence

James Nesbitt next Doctor who?

Look at the link I've provided. It seems to suggest that James Nesbitt may be the next Doctor Who when David Tennant steps down. Would this be worth including in the article?

http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/02082007/21/nesbitt-new.html

Looneyman 20:35, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

The rumour appears to stem from The Sun, so I've sourced that. Please remember that newspapers "know" who the next Dr Who will be every time the current one looks like quitting. This should be treated as a rumour until confirmed or denied by the BBC (albeit a notable rumour). Brad 07:47, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

It's a rumour started by a comedian on a forum.

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:James Nesbitt/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

   Definitely the strongest part of the article excellently written and flows well.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   At the very least the claims regarding "wokring on the arched eyebrows" are not supported by either citation although sources are reliable although the most "controversial" statement regarding cocaine is well sourced

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   Nothing obvious stands out as NPOV

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   Both non free images properly tagged

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   Currently requires fixing of sources or removal of claims in lead, otherwise will pass Passed! BigHairRef | Talk 00:31, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Response The "arched eyebrow" bit is supported by both citations:

• Rees: "Many of Nesbitt's career choices have been devoted to the cause of proving that there is more to him than an arched eyebrow and a knowing twinkle"
  
• Dowle: "Nesbitt laughs when I suggest that it is all in the wicked way he uses his eyebrows. "I did a lot of work on my eyebrow at grammar school to impress the girls and I knew it would come in useful one day," he says.

Bradley0110 (talk) 17:02, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

:I've put the above Dowle quote as a ref after the eyebrow sentence. There is no link to the article on the Times website (unless it's in their subscription archive). I found the article on Lexis Nexis. If there are any other ambiguous refs please say so. :) Bradley0110 (talk) 09:40, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I've removed the sentence altogether; it isn't mentioned or elaborated on in the main article, so just looks shoehorned into the lead. Bradley0110 (talk) 15:37, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Source

• Smith, Lynn (2005-01-23). "Should he stay or should he go Hollywood?". Los Angeles Times. Tribune Company.

Bradley0110 (talk) 20:32, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

• Egan, Barry (1 March 2009). "It's good to talk, James". Irish Independent (Independent News & Media).

Bradley0110 (talk) 12:43, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

• Tinney, Aaron (14 June 2009). "Jimmy's pain for mum May". Belfast Telegraph (Independent News & Media (Northern Ireland)).

Bradley0110 (talk) 07:46, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

PR checklist of individual comments

For my benefit so I don't have to keep returning to the PR Bradley0110 (talk) 22:28, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

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• You need to clarify that Colin Bateman is a writer Y
• The parenthetical note is not grammatical, and in any event "latter" can't be used when the list has more than two items. I suggest you lose the parentheses and rephrase: "...Stephen Moffat's Jekyll, the last of which gained him a Golden Globe award nomination." Y (sentence removed)
• "Comedic roles are still offered him" - when is "still"? You then refer to a 2003 BBC series, which is hardly "still". I suggest you reword along the lines: "He has continued to accept offers of comedic roles, appearing with..." etc Y (sentence reworded)
• Having given his full birth date in the lead, is it necessary to include "in 1985" in the section opening? WP:Lead allows for both, though I prefer to repeat for completion's sake.
• Suggest simplify to "attended his father's local primary school" Y (sentence reworded)
• "...the audition for which his parents 'dragged' him to" is very clumsy prose. Prepositional endings should always be avoided. Try "...his parents having dragged him to the audition". Y (sentence reworded)
• "He continued to appear in Christmas productions, and received his Equity card..." First, we have no prior information of his appearing in "Christmas productions", and haven't been told what they are. Secondly, the and combines unrelated clauses in a single sentence. I suggest you rephrase the first clause, then divide the sentence. Y (sentence reworded)
• Despite enjoying..." would sound better as "Although he enjoyed..." Y (sentence expanded)
• "His part was critically praised..." - his performance, rather than his part? Y (sentence reworded)
• Which performance did the NYT find "jaunty and bemused"? Y (sentence expanded)
• He is suddenly in America. When did he go there? Information already present
• You need to say what "Central" is, rather than suddenly introduce this short form of the name. Y ("CSSD" abbrev introduced at first instance)
• He seems to be back in the UK. Again, some date informatio would help us follow this satge of his career. Y
• Breakthrough: Last line - you should insert [Claudia] before "Harrison", so we know who's being talked about without having to use the link. Y
• "The events of Bloody Sunday passd him by..." etc. Did he say this? It requires some verification. Information already present
• "Aside, the film and Nesbitt..." etc. "Aside" is not a word to use in isolation like this. The sense is "nevertheless", and I suggest you use this word instead. Y (sentence reworded)
• Unnecessary quote marks around "household name" and "celebrity status" Y
• Can you reword, to avoid "...ITV. ITV..."? Y
• "The accent was discarded after a chat between Nesbitt and the director, and when Nesbitt tried it out on co-star Daniela Nardini." Discarded twice? Y
• "...putting a distance between his previous work" doesn't make grammatical sense. "Distancing himself from his previous work" is the meaning required. Y
• BBC One is normally written "BBC 1" N No it isn't
• Try to avoid phrases that will rapidly become out of date, like "In 2009 he will appear..." Something like "His 2009 plans included..." will save you having to repeatedly revisit the article to update it.
• In the "Other projects" section, "...three consecutive occasions between 2002 and 2005" - which three consecutive years? Y
• Same section: "He will present the 2nd National Movie Awards in September 2008". That has to be past tense now, but his sort of thing illustrates one of the main problems in an article describing an on-going career. Y

• A LARGE number of your web sources don't have last access dates. They need them. N Hard-copy sources with convenience links to respective websites do not require access dates.

Nationality

Why is his nationality listed as Northern Irish, which is itself, a part of the United Kingdom? I realise being from Northern Ireland part of the UK he can choose to be called Irish or British, but if you read his biography in newspapers such as the Guardian, the Telegraph, on IMDB and even on the Northern Ireland.gov website, he is regarded as British. Why are wikipedia editors other than British ones, obsessed with supporting separatist and republican movements, albeit non-vocally. I realise Americans are pretty obsessed with the whole independence thing but it's too far when an actor even regards himself as British and you don't allow it.

Do you have a reference that "[he] regards himself as British"? RashersTierney (talk) 14:01, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d_AFzqoIMc and http://www.filmclub.org/behind-the-scenes/details/313/james-nesbitt-and-aidan-turner

In neither of these 'refs' does Nesbitt say he is British. Checking them out proved to be a waste of time. RashersTierney (talk) 20:16, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Furthermore I have to add, if someone doesn't say they are British but also doesn't say they're not, are we now to assume every British Citizen isn't British until they say they are? Or every person is a supporter of Irish Nationalism until they say otherwise? That's a bad precedent to set. He has never said he supports a United Ireland or Irish Nationalism, under the Good Friday agreement he can identify himself as Irish or British [not Northern Irish]. It's utter tosh frankly that he is being displayed as a nationality that doesn't exist simply so as not to upset the few nationalists that haunt these boards. Son of the Isles (talk) 16:40, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Please note this page is not 'a board'. RashersTierney (talk) 20:16, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

If that's the one thing you pick out of my above post I'm seriously starting to worry about the preservation of sense on this website. It's clearly slipping when we start referring to people as nationalities that don't exist, and calling cities such as Londonderry by names that aren't even legally certified in the countries they're a part of. Son of the Isles (talk) 16:40, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Unless you draw some legalistic distinction between 'nationality' and 'national identity', then a significant proportion of the population of Northern Ireland do give their nationality as 'Northern Irish', according to the recent census release. RashersTierney (talk) 17:52, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Further to the above, the article does not and has never stated his nationality as Northern Irish. With the exception of politicians and people who explicitly describe themselves as "British", any article about someone from the UK refers to them being of their constituent country, be that England, Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland. Bradley0110 (talk) 16:29, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

It most certainly has, since 2007, notwithstanding the redirect to 'Northern Ireland'. RashersTierney (talk) 17:52, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Oh, it looks like I've skewered my own argument, in that it was me who changed it from "from Northern Ireland" to "Northern Irish". However, it did go back to "from Northern Ireland", probably in mid-2008. My statement above though referred to "Northern Irish" being interpreted as a nationality instead of simply an adjective. Bradley0110 (talk) 21:40, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

In the absence of a definite self-identification of some kind, I think a return to 'from Northern Ireland' is probably best, particularly since the new census considers 'Northern Irish' as a statement of national identity. RashersTierney (talk) 21:54, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Thompson Care to explain Emma Thompson, among others, who is cited quite clearly by the true Nationality, which is British, even though she is from the English constituent country? Son of the Isles (talk) 16:40, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

No. It was discussed on the relevant TP. Take it up there if you wish. RashersTierney (talk) 17:52, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyGYnBsQYxs Irish tricolours at 01:45 and green, white and orange streamers decorate his trailer along with other things to "remind him of home" http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/nesbitt-makes-home-100959432.html. Unless he explicitly states he is Irish, British or both then I agree that the article is fine as it is by stating the fact that he is from Northern Ireland. TTWSYFree (talk) 03:19, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Advertising roles.

I believe Nesbitt is currently "starring" in 2x advertising rolls, one for Thomas Cook (in person) and another for an insurance (voice)...thing. Damn it, now I'm hearing his voice everywhere. Dat accent. Anyway, can this be added to other projects? --Somchai Sun (talk) 08:25, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Birth Year

I begin by stating that I am new to editing, and apologize for any faux pas. My edit attempting to (so far as I can tell) correct the birth year to 1965 (from 1970) was reverted, due to my edit summary referring to IMDB which I now know is not considered a reliable source. Every mention of James Nesbitt's birth I could find from a Google search stated that it was 1965, and the rest of this article is inconsistent with the current birth year of 1970 (eg. first sentence of Early Life section states 1965, along with a further statement that he graduated CSSD in 1987 at age 22). I now offer http://www.empireonline.com/people/james-nesbitt/ and https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/3102101/stan-lee-lucky-man-sky1-james-nesbitt-sienna-guillory/ as hopefully valid sources for birth in 1965. I haven't attempted to make another edit for fear of appearing belligerent.88.145.184.145 (talk) 19:59, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you 88.145.184.145. I've restored your fix. It looks like the birth year change was made recently, on May 3rd. gobonobo ^{+ c} 20:09, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

FAR concerns

The article seems to need updating and much of the post-2010 content is unsourced. (t · c) buidhe 09:21, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Stan Lee’s Lucky Man

Not listed in his bio on wikipedia 180.216.193.223 (talk) 08:18, 10 April 2024 (UTC)