Talk:Jadeveon Clowney

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Include speeding ticket?[edit]

Rather than restoring the information in question for a third time, I ignore LesPhilky's and GarnetAndBlack's violation of the WP:BRD cycle and just start this discussion myself.

Should Clowney's speeding incident, which is well-sourced, be mentioned in this article? A look around Wikipedia reveals we do list similar incidents, like traffic accidents or drug possession arrests. Therefore, this should be included in Clowney's article. --bender235 (talk) 22:37, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a partial list of athletes who were ticketed for speeding while driving in excess of 100 mph, but do not have the incidents mentioned in their Wikipedia articles:
  • LeBron James (101 in a 65)[1]
  • Adrian Peterson (109 in a 55)[2]
  • Bernard Berrian (104 in a 60)[3]
  • Greg Little (127 in a 55)[4]
  • Josh Cribbs (103 in a 60)[5]
  • Derrick Rose (106 in a 65)[6]
  • Andrew Bynum (110 in a 55)[7]
  • Thomas Robinson (107 in a 55)[8]
  • Tyreke Evans (130 in a 65)[9]
LaVar Arrington's incident is included because of the career-impacting accident that accompanied the speeding. Drug possession incidents are mentioned because there are typically arrests and bookings involved with those crimes. Moving violations that don't result in an actual arrest are trivial information and fall under the policy of WP:NOTNEWS which states: "Wikipedia considers the enduring notability of persons and events. While news coverage can be useful source material for encyclopedic topics, most newsworthy events do not qualify for inclusion" and "Even when an individual is notable, not all events they are involved in are. For example, news reporting about celebrities and sports figures can be very frequent and cover a lot of trivia, but using all these sources would lead to over-detailed articles that look like a diary." If a traffic violation directly impacts the career of a public figure, then I'd say that meets the threshold for notability, otherwise, it's simply trivia. GarnetAndBlack (talk) 23:18, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't involved in the previous editing of this article, but I know this is on ongoing debate/discussion on numerous articles. I don't think there is specific policy to argue here, but rather a blend of separate policies. From my basic knowledge of policies, I would argue that in general, legal/academic/etc incidents aren't automatically noteworthy. In most cases, the decision on whether to include such incidents depend on the impact. It isn't a clear cut line though, and takes a little bit of due diligence. For a couple of examples: Clowney's ticket really isn't notable by itself, but could be worth including if there are further implications. As it is currently in the article, I would remove it. If there are reliable sources that say the ticket could impact his standing in the upcoming draft, then that could be worth including. In the cases of other players, like Watkins, and DGB, I would say the incidents are worth noting in regards to the impact. The incidents resulted in suspensions and should be noted in the section for that season or college career or whatever for that particular article. Another problem is listing these arrest/incidents under the catch-all "Personal Life" section and especially creating these separate "Legal Troubles" sections. It is the same as a "Criticism/controversy" section in BLP policy. Isn't the policy to incorporate controversy/criticism where notable in the article body, not make a separate section? That is usually brought up for political/public figures, but translates easily over to these college athletes. If player is involved in legal/academic/etc incidents with a notable impact, incorporate such impacts in the body of the article where the impact is made.
In summary, I see two main issues at the moment:
  • Legal/academic/ect incidents are only notable if there is a notable impact from the incident. Clowney's ticket isn't notable in and of itself, but reliable sources might show that there is a notable impact, such as possible NFL draft implications, that could be incorporated in the draft section.
  • Just as "Criticism/Controversy" sections are avoided for public figures, listing these type of incidents for college athletes under the catch-all "Personal life" section or especially creating these "Legal troubles" sections, should be avoided. If an incident has a notable impact it should be incorporated in the body of the article where the impact is made. (Certain circumstances/incidents are obviously going to be exceptions and merit specific sections/detail. I haven't reviewed how his particular article has been handled, but Johnny Manziel comes to mind.) Brinkley32 (talk) 04:55, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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