Talk:Jacques Camatte

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My Edit In Reference to Accelerationism[edit]

I figured out how to post in the Talk page, and, so, have posted this in place of what was previously written, just in case anyone was curious as to why I edited the article.

Originally, the article stated, "his beliefs began to fall closer to the tendencies of anarcho-primitivism and communization, and accelerationism", which I changed to "his beliefs began to fall closer to the tendencies of anarcho-primitivism and communization, and would later influence accelerationism", as, if you read the collected works of Jacques Camatte on libcom, This World We Must Leave and Other Essays, you'll find that, unlike the left-wing accelerationists who more or less see something like real subsumption, i.e. the securing of a quasi-totalitarian form of social control within what I'm just going to call "late capitalism", as working in their favor by creating the conditions from which people will have to engage in some form of revolution or another, Camatte was fairly pessimistic over the prospect of a near predetermined revolution, and, though he retained his belief in what he called the "Gemeinwesen", a loose translation of is "a political body", though it has a specific meaning for him, he more or less thought that people just kind of had to withdraw from such a society, aside from that the Ferment section of #Accelerate just includes texts that somehow preceded accelerationism and the text itself is a collection of works about or in relation to accelerationism, and not accelerationist literature proper.

Basically, though I acknowledge that Camatte did influence the accelerationists, I don't think that he was one, as well as that his text being included within the manifesto was more of a counter-point to the left-accelerationists than anything else, which is why I edited the article. The very short explanation is that, for the left-wing accelerationists, real subsumption is something to be excited about because it means that a revolution is imminent, but, for Camatte, it's a cause for despair, since he thinks it fairly likely that Capital will just win out, which is also in the third paragraph of the theories and beliefs section of this article, though more neatly put.

Oh, I also think that it should say that he influenced anarcho-primitivism and not anti-civilization, as that was what the theory was called at the time, but, since they are more or less used synonymously and I'm not entirely sure as to what the encyclopedic protocol is for the referencing of theories who have undergone nominal changes, I will refrain from making that edit. They're pretty much the same thing, but, at the time of Camatte's influence, it was called "anarcho-primitivism", which is how it could be a bit chronologically confusing, but I'll leave it to everyone else's discretion as to whether or not it'd be worth it to edit the article.

Daydreamdays2 (talk) 21:34, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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