Talk:Ike Turner/Archive 1

DISCOGRAPHY ANYONE?

Discographic info would help this article tremendously. Also info on his various record deals.

It is not Montreaux Jazz festival, but Montreal Jazz festival

His name is not Izear Luster Turner, but is in fact Ike Wister Turner, as mentioned in his autobiography.

I know where that comes from: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Ike+Turner If you are right, it is wrong there too and should be changed. -andy 84.149.92.185 (talk) 06:46, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Done my best to work up a discography, it still needs more doing. Hope this helps.Kaleeyed (talk) 13:17, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

EX-Wives

Ike had married on numerous occasions. Does anyone have any information on this?

I have removed the request for citations that he abused Tina Turner. Were admissions in the autobiographies of both parties, plus a major Hollywood film, not 'citation' enough? Smurfmeister (talk) 10:21, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia writing standards?

"with nothing more than thirty-six cents and a gas-station credit card. "

This strikes me as being a little dramatic for an encyclopedia. More details of this event are on the Tina Turner page 87.192.210.49 21:35, 1 October 2006 (UTC)Waltzer

"...was recorded at, " - awkwardly incorrect prepositional structure. The word 'at' is not needed.

"...from Anna Mae Bullock to Tina Turner - naming her after Sheena," - needs clarification for what amounts to an obscure American television program (Sheena, Queen of the Jungle).

"...he was awarded with an "Heroes Award" - Awkward, and incorrectly names the award - better to say, "...he was given a "Hero Award" "

This article would benefit from further editing.

New reader: I agree wholeheartedly that the article falls short of even minimal writing standards.

"...creating a music mogul that would last decades" refers to Tina Turner and her success. Tina Turner is a performer, not a mogul. Furthermore, a mogul is a person, so it doesn't make sense to say that one was "created" and "would last decades." The author's intention is to say that Ike's early promotion of Tina as a singer in his band was responsible for Tina's later success as a solo artist. No doubt Ms. Turner would dispute that claim.

"Ike was an old school man who carried a hard hand in the house, thus proving once and for all usually all it takes is a good whipping,.." Gee. I don't even know how to comment on this except to say, You're kidding me, right? THIS is an encyclopedia entry? 24.16.98.193 (talk) 16:49, 16 September 2008 (UTC)simonlefranc@hotmail.com

Tried to tighten up the intro paragraph a little bit...took out some redundant information, fixed a tense issue, and changed some awkward wordings. Hope this helps. PurpleChez (talk) 14:43, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, dude, you didn't go far enough. Would you say, "most state-of-the-art equipment" is a tautology??? I would.johncheverly 03:40, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

This article needs to reference its source material

Editors, please read WP:V and WP:CITE. It's very important to note where you got your material for you article. Thanks! Mattisse(talk) 22:32, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Can I add a more specific request on to this and urge further editing of this page- I take instant umbrage with the sentence "His acceptance in the U.S. as a pioneering blues artist and composer was subsequently limited, though better in other countries" not being directly referenced. I dont think subsequent collaborations listed in a new paragraph are enough to justify such a broad claim. Which countries? How much acceptance? This type of emotive issuance can bring wikipedia into disrepute. 109.255.207.60 (talk) 22:56, 17 December 2010 (UTC)Lorcan109.255.207.60 (talk) 22:56, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

You're right. I've removed the sentence. Rothorpe (talk) 00:36, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm, "Smack Tina Up"?

From the article (discography):

1971: "Smack Tina Up" (R&B #9, US #69)

Nothing on Google, except Wikipedia and another site copying WP content, so I suspect this is vandalism. The discography really needs reliable sources. Richard W.M. Jones 20:12, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Myth: Abuse is caused by drug use

I removed the following: most of which was brought on by drugs

Below are citations where it has been established that drugs and alcohol do not cause abuse. Rather abusers use it as an excuse for losing control when abusers do not actually "lose control". Their violence is targeted and is often done in private indicating their awareness of what they're doing is wrong. It is also said mental illness does not cause abuse.

Bancroft, Lundy (2003). Why Does He Do That?: Inside the Minds of Angry and Controlling Men. ISBN 0425191656.

Cunradi, C. B., Caetano, R., Clark, C. L., Schafer, J. (1999). Alcohol-related problems and intimate partner violence among White, Black, & Hispanic couples in the U. S. Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research, 23, 1492-1501.

Fals-Stewart, William. (2002). The occurrence of partner physical aggression on days of alcohol consumption: A longitudinal diary study. Unpublished manuscript. Research Institute on Addictions, University at Buffalo, Buffalo, NY.

Flanzer, J. P. (1993). Alcohol and other drugs are key causal agents of violence (pp. 171-181). In R. J. Gelles & D. R. Loseke (Eds.), Current controversies on family violence. Sage: Newbury Park, CA.

Kantor, G. K. & Straus, M. A. (1987). The drunken bum theory of wife beating. Social Problems, 34, #3, 213-230.

Leonard, K. E. & Quigley, B. M. (1999). Drinking and marital aggression in newlyweds: An event based analysis of drinking and the occurrence of husband marital aggression. Journal of Studies on Alcohol, 60, 537-545.

O’Leary, K. D. (1993). Through a psychological lens: Personality traits, personality disorders, and levels of violence (pp 7-29). In R. J. Gelles & D. K. Loseke (Eds.), Current controversies on family violence. Newbury Park, CA: Sage.

Pan, H. S., Neidig, P. H., & O’Leary, K.D. (1994). Predicting mild and severe husband to wife physical aggression. Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology, 62, 975-981.

Schumacher, J. A., & O’Leary, K. D. (2002). Alcohol Use and Intimate Partner Violence: A Linear Association or a Threshold Effect? Unpublished manuscript. Research Institute on Addictions, University at Buffalo, Buffalo, NY.

Adria.richards 03:57, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Sing it, sister! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.47.15.38 (talk) 22:23, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Ditto. I'm an addictions counselor and this sort of justification (drugs make you abuse others) needs to be refuted at every opportunity. Many, many thanks. PurpleChez (talk) 14:46, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Birth name

Re the confusion over his middle name being Luster or Wister, surely this must relate to a misinterpretation at some point over handwriting, as written down it would have been very easy to confuse the two alternatives. Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:43, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Per footage of his funeral a poster next to his coffin shows his legal name as Izear Luster Turner, Jr. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.191.174.100 (talk) 21:22, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Many sources give that as his birth name - here, here, here, here, here, etc. The time has come, I think, to remove the misunderstanding that his "real" middle name was Wister. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:33, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi Ghmyrtle – I’m having a tough time following you. Above you say his “real” middle name was Wister: yet all your refs show Luster. Cheers. Grahamboat (talk) 04:07, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

"... the misunderstanding that..." his real middle name was Wister. It wasn't. Ghmyrtle (talk) 06:33, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Use of Turner surname by Tina

Regarding the question of whether (or when) Ike and Tina married, and her "right" to use the Turner name, there is an interesting contribution at Talk:Tina_Turner#On_the_name_.22Tina_Turner.22, which in effect states that Ike established the "Tina Turner" name as a stage name first, before it was taken on by Anna Mae Bullock. Can this be verified? Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:47, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

"Turner died at 76 years old at his home in San Marcos, California, near San Diego."

Could this sentence please be removed from the leade? It's redundant, not of usual style, and since his death was not of unusual circumstances, it doesn't need to be explained in the leade. Thanks. 75.5.234.79 (talk) 11:47, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Removed now. I agree it's not appropriate for the lead. It's also interesting that he died of an apparent cocaine overdose - this would presumably make him one of the oldest people to have died from a recreational drug overdose... I mean, doing cocaine at 76? Now that's hardcore...--h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 14:53, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Ike Turner - slang term for an ex-spouse or partner

Ike's name is also slang for an ex-spouse/life partner or colloquial for a stalker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.196.138.68 (talk) 05:25, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

um, what? rubbish — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.169.19.227 (talk) 11:20, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Drug Overdose/Recovery

I don't fully understand how to edit wikipedia properly, but could someone help this page by refrencing Ike Turner's known involvement in 12 step recovery? 12 step programs are generally "anonymous involvement" while the person is alive, but once they have died, it's ok to cite their past membership. I think it's important for people to know that Ike Turner did clean up his act for a significant period of time and stayed clean and sober, although obviously his death would indicate that he eventually started using cocaine again. If anyone can contribute more on this topic, I would appreciate it. The only attribution I can think of right off hand is that he is refrenced in the movie "Clean and Sober" starring Michael Keaton. Many 12-step members who had heard Ike speak at meetings were shocked and saddened by the way his "attempt" at recovery was flippantly portrayed in the movie "What's Love Got To Do With It". But that is first-hand info - so I don't know how to attribute it. 98.203.23.189 (talk) 23:50, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

This is very touching, thanks for sharing this, this is very interesting information and I would like to include this information. Unfortunately the way wikipedia works is that this information can only really be included if it can be referenced to a source published in the public realm in a reputable source. I'm not doubting what you say is true, but it needs more evidence, so unfortunately it can't be added into the article at present. I will look around for some evidence of Ike's involvement with 12 step on the internet. I have seen some mention of his work going into schools to inform kids about the dangers of drug and will be adding this in at some point. I'm guessing by you saying this that you were in a program with Ike? By this would you mean Narcotics Anonymous?Kaleeyed (talk) 01:26, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

As you can see by stuff I've added to the article he did get clean for about 10 years, he was drawn back to using by going to try and help an addict, went into a crack den and started using again. Pretty tragic really. Kaleeyed (talk) 01:28, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

This is plainly not right

"Turner believed for many years that he was named Izear Luster Turner, Jr. after his father, until he discovered his name was registered as Issac Wister Turner while applying for his first passport.[11] He never got to discover the origin of his name, as by the time he discovered it, his parents were both dead.[15]"

Ike Turner visited Australia several times in the 1960's and 1970's, so he must have had a passport then. Yet it is claimed that his mother lived until 1991. It is also claimed that he didn't discover he was mistaken about his legal name until he applied for a passport, by which time his parents were both dead. This does not make sense. He must have applied for a passport long before his mother died.122.106.205.74 (talk) 23:43, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Turner's mother's date of birth has been incorrectly stated. A biography of Turner states she died in the 1950s while he was in St. Louis. That would make this story make sense. Kaleeyed (talk) 11:25, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry but I am new to this and don't have much time. But if you want ACCURATE information contact his ex-wife and business partner of 19years Jeanette Turner. She knows more about Ike than anyone else around and knew him both as a business partner (of which is finally coming to light with the courts with most of his estate being awarded to her) and on an intimate level. Type in Ike turner and jeanette Turner on youtube and click on the Roseanne bar pic and watch, then go to JeanetteTurnmer.com if you wish to contact her to clear up any misunderstandings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.117.236.198 (talk) 02:26, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Drug use timeline

I'm a little confused by Ike Turner's drug abuse timeline. I know it's stated in the Ebony article of his last days alive that he was drug-free until the age of 30 but I don't think that was the case. Ike said he was introduced to drugs by "two well known black entertainers who were Las Vegas headliners" and from my recollection, Ike & Tina didn't start playing Vegas until the late 1960s. So I'm guessing this was around 1968 or 1969. Ike did say he got addicted to the drug in 1974 and he wrote the song "Contact High" in 1970 about his introduction to cocaine but I don't know, something's off about that timeline. BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 20:55, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Don't see much confusion there. He was 30 in 1961, so he began dabbling with drugs soon after. "Two Las Vegas headliners" doesn't mean that he was in Las Vegas when he met them (or he may have been, maybe he just went to Las Vegas to watch them perform rather than perform himself). As for becoming addicted in 74, a lot of people dabble in drugs for years before actually become addicted - depends on the drug, depends on the person. Most cocaine users are not addicts, unlike heroin or even cigarettes.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 08:38, 26 September 2014 (UTC)