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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that West Virginia's Ice Mountain contains ice vents that allow subarctic plant species to survive?

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Ice Mountain (disambiguation)[edit]

Please see this GNIS search and note another in BCGNIS, also note Ice Mountain is the local name for Mount Edziza (see this, and note on of its subpeaks is Ice Peak (use the proxiomity search on the previous link) and was also a name used by Alexander "Buck" Choquette for his store on the Stikine (as his postal address, no less), and was also his name for the Great Glacier. I suspect translation-names may exist in Spanish and Tibetan/Nepali etc....Skookum1 (talk) 16:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Question[edit]

Why does the talus bit link to scree? ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:16, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In geology, those are synonyms. LadyofShalott 06:15, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What are "ice storage strategies"? Was the ice present year round in the past? That bit is confusing for me. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:53, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Child, thank you so much for all your edits and suggestions. I appreciate your time and efforts in making this a better article. Talus links to scree, as scree is the more widely used term. As you can see from the talus disambiguation page, the talus discussed in this article is the same as is detailed in Wikipedia's article for scree.--Caponer (talk) 01:14, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - For centuries, ice has been available year round, but in recent years, the ice mostly disappears in the late Spring/early Summer. I know this because of my local knowledge, but need additional sources to support this in the article, hence the confusion.--Caponer (talk) 01:14, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions for improvement: organization[edit]

In reviewing this article, I find that it suffers from a lack of flow and organization. I have given this article a "C" rating since it contains a wealth of information, but the article could use some improvement. I apologize for not taking care of these things myself, but I feel I do not know enough about the content and direction of the article to make edits which others editors of this article may not feel are good.

I would suggest changing the order of the sections to start with the more important aspects like the history and geology before delving into minor topics like flora and fauna. Also, I find having 3 separate infoboxes to be unhelpful. I think the "Nature preserve" infobox is most helpful, but because the title of the article is "Ice Mountain" and not "Ice Mountain Preserve", I am uncertain as to what is best. --Tea with toast (talk) 21:32, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Allocetraria oakesiana photo[edit]

There is a photo of Allocetraria oakesiana on the commons, File:Allocetraria oakesiana-1.jpg, growing at Ice Mountain. Is there a good way to incorporate it into the article?
--Gyrobo (talk) 18:01, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Ice Mountain/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Aaron north (talk) 23:25, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for criteria)

I normally prefer to help an article pass GA review by making minor corrections myself then placing it on hold for improvements if it is reasonably close. Unfortunately, this article has too many issues. With some more work it may be renominated someday. Aaron north (talk) 00:18, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
I did not look too deeply into the sources since there were many other issues with the article, but the sources do appear reliable and all claims seem to be cited.
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
coverage doesn't seem to be a major problem, there is a lot of data to work with.
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Issues[edit]

Should the name of the article be "Ice Mountain"? I would have thought that "Ice Mountain Preserve" would have been more appropriate, with "Ice Mountain" leading to either the beverage (more well known) or a disambig page.
This article needs some copy-editing, there are too many minor issues to list them all.
I agree with the suggestion made earlier this year that the article should probably be reorganized to discuss history and conservation first.
I also agree with the suggestion regarding the 3 infoboxes, I do not see the need for all 3 infoboxes. We might need a different infobox summarizing all the important data, or perhaps a box for the preserve and another for Ice Mountain.
The lead does not mention many sections of the article.
The Flora section is problematic, it could be re-written, or at the very least in its current form, the final paragraphs should be restated in a list format.
Although images are not strictly required for most Good Articles, I would think that a free or fair use image would be available for the top of the page, given that we are talking about a nature preserve which features a mountain.