Talk:Hurricane Helene (1958)

Merge

There is currently little information associated with this article. As it is, I propose it be merged. However, this storm might be able to stay.

• Add much more information about the Reconaissance. If it was the first flight, how accurate was it
• "According to reports, the damage wrought by Helene was considered worse than the damage from Hurricane Hazel." Who reported it? What damage occurred? $11 million in damage is very little. Was the damage localized? Was it widespread yet minor? Was there significant flooding that caused the damage, or was it tornadoes?
• What makes the storm notable? The intro should always specify why it is notable and thus, why it should have its own page. "Hurricane Helene was of the most intense storms of the 1958 Atlantic hurricane season" According to the seasonal article, it was the most, so why not start with that?

I still think the storm should be merged, but out of this, Janice, and Ella for the season, this one is the most likely to stay in the long run, and even that is pretty low. Why do you continue making stub articles when there are too many low-quality articles as it is? Hurricanehink 15:21, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

When I first read about this storm a few months ago while doing the old articles, I was pretty intrigued. This storm followed the same path as Ophelia, but as a category 4! It came within 10 miles of being the most northerly landfalling cat4 storm (although it's not alone in this, as Hurricane Diana (1984) also did so). As for damage, I'm sure the damage *in some places* was worse than that of Hazel. Hazel hardly touched the outer banks for instance. In summary, although I like this storm, I basically agree that unless more info can be found it should be merged. — jdorje (talk) 19:12, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Added more infoStorm05 (talk) 19:31, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Good, this article may make it after all so im upgrading it. E-Series 19:47, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Disagree. The storm wasn't notable. Damage was infantesimal. Not much useful info in this article. Merge it. -- §HurricaneERIC§^Damagesarchive 21:26, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Not that I'm disagreeing with you exactly, but to continue with the comparison the storm is more notable than Ophelia (though much less info is available). — jdorje (talk) 08:38, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

As it is, it should be merged, badly. However, there could be enough information out there to justify an article, the reconaissance section in particular. There should be more on damage as well... it was practically a Category 4 landfall! I say we give it a week. Storm05, does that sound fair? Hurricanehink 21:51, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

A week is fine, i've already added a picture for the storm. Storm05 17:34, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

It's been a week and I see little improvement. I vote to axe it. I just don't think enough info is out there and I have yet to be proven wrong. -- §HurricaneERIC§^Damagesarchive 23:58, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

He's right. Little was added, and little probably can be added. Agreed with merge. Hurricanehink 04:20, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Against Merge- added more info and picture. Storm05 15:22, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Good work. I'd say hold off on merge for now. This looks like it could possibly stay... Hurricanehink 16:06, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[lowers axe] It's gonna need some more work though . -- §HurricaneERIC§^Damagesarchive 23:44, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Winds?

Several sources claim 125 mph or 135 mph winds were felt on land from this storm. However, the source reports no hurricane-force winds on land. So what gives? — jdorje (talk) 23:08, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Um, I thought the MWR article explicitly stated 125 mph winds along the coast. Added the storm total rainfall graphic. Thegreatdr (talk) 02:55, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hurricane Helene (1958)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contribs) 16:27, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Even though I'm not supposed to...but because you wanted me to so bad. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 16:27, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

• "Accelerating northwards" - northwards? Northward. We've been through this, TAM! >:(

 Done - We have? TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 18:02, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

• "Damage across the island totaled to at least C$100,000." - You already said that.

No, one was for NS the other for NFLD. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 18:02, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

• "A second reconnaissance flight reported a strengthened tropical cyclone, indicating that the storm system had strengthened to tropical storm strength." - Strengthened, strengthened, strength. Repetitive much?

 Done - Reworded the stuff. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 18:02, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

• "The US Weather Bureau issued their first advisory on the newly developed tropical storm at 1600 UTC later that day, giving the storm the name Helene." - I thought they started after recon went in? Or are bulletins different than advisories?

 Done - Advisories are different. Bulletins are just sort of notifications. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 18:02, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

• "Steadily intensifying, the tropical storm attained hurricane intensity by 2200 UTC on 2200 UTC on September 24, while located 425 mi (685 km) east of Fort Pierce, Florida." - No need for the lead-in. You already say it was intensifying in the previous sentences.

 Done - Removed lead-in. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 18:02, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

• "However, in post-season analysis, it was found that Helene reached hurricane intensity earlier that day by 1200 UTC." - Comma after day.

 Done - Comma'd TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 18:02, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

• "At the time, gale force winds extended up to 220 mi (355 km) out from the storm's center of circulation.[2]" - Dash between gale and force. Just a regular one.

 Done - Dash'd. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 18:02, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

• "The lack of strong steering currents in the storm's vicinity caused the hurricane to move very slowly throughout the day, giving the hurricane time to significantly intensify." - You sure do mention how the storm strengthened a lot in this MH..

Is that a problem? TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 18:02, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

It's just repetitive to me. See if you can get rid of an instance or two. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 18:12, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

• "Helene strengthened to the equivalent of a modern-day Category 2 hurricane intensity" - Remove intensity.

 Done - Removed. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 18:02, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

• "The major hurricane continued to strengthen, before reaching its peak intensity on September 27 with winds of 135 mph (215 km/h)." - No comma.

 Done - Removed comma. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)}

• "...though it still maintained hurricane force winds." - Dash. Same for the next sentence.

 Done - Dash'd. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 18:02, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

• " This coincided with the US Weather Bureau's final advisory on the system." - Merge to the previous sentence.

 Done - Merge'd? TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 18:02, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

• "Gale warning issuance reflected the changes and were too shifted northwards to the Virginia Capes area, while hurricane watches covered both warning areas." - Northward.

 Done - Didn't we go through this before? TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 18:02, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

• "Shortly after, all warnings with the exception of the offshore gale warnings were discontinued." - Comma after both "warnings".

 Done - Even more comma'd. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)}

• "Despite not issuing any warnings, the Weather Bureau cautioned interests in Newfoundland and forecasted hurricane-force winds to effect the island" - Comma after Newfoundland.

 Done - COMMA'D! TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 18:02, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

• "...Governor of South Carolina George Bell Timmerman, Jr.." - Grammar time! Only one period is needed to cover the end of this sentence.

 Done - In this episode of grammar time. 18:02, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

• " Despite repeated orders for mandatory evacuation, some people remained in Myrtle Beach." - Some sounds...un-smart, lol. Perhaps "many" or "a few".

 Done - Smartified. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 18:02, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

• "Though surveys made no damage estimates, damage in Holden Beach was reported to have been worse than Long Beach." - In before Long.

 Done - In'd. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 18:02, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

• "Effects from Helene in South Carolina were less severe than in North Carolina, with the hurricane making its closest approach to the state on September 27, 85 mi (135 km)." - Am confus.

 Done - Split. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 18:02, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

• Some references don't have authors. If it was from a newspaper or anything like that, state "Staff writer".

 Done - I thought this was a discouraged practice in GAN/FAC. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 18:02, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Not that I'm aware of. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 18:12, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Definitely will pass when the above issues are addressed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 16:54, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Passing. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 18:12, 15 March 2013 (UTC)