Talk:Houston Astros sign stealing scandal/GA1

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GA Review[edit]

There are 6 things that determine if an article is immediately a failure in its quest to be a good article. These are:

  1. It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria
  2. It contains copyright violations.
  3. It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include {{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags.
  4. It is not stable due to edit warring on the page.
  5. A reviewer who has not previously reviewed the article determines that any issues from previous GA nominations have not been adequately considered.

We'll go back to number 1. The second one is that it cannot contain copyright violations, I assume, referring to media (photos and videos). After carefully checking every image on the page, I can truthfully say that all the images are not copyrighted. Included are images from Flickr that have Creative Common Licences, and images that were taken by the uploader themselves.

The third barrier is that if it has any cleanup barriers. As of April 13 UTC, there are no cleanup banners on this page. The fourth barrier is that it cannot have any edit wars on this page. Checking the history of the page, edits are constantly stable and edits occur a few times a month, on average. The last barrier is that issues from previous Good Article nominations have had to be adequately considered. There are no known instances of this article being nominated before.

As I said, I will come back to barrier 1. The six good article criteria are as listed:

  1. Well written:the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct; and it complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
  2. Verifiable with no original research: it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;

all inline citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines; it contains no original research; and it contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism.

  1. Broad in its coverage: it addresses the main aspects of the topic; and it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style)
  2. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
  3. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
  4. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio: media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content; and media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.

Let's go through them one by one. The first necessity is that it has to be concise and well-written. After reading the entire article, I can definitely tell that this article would be understandable to non-baseball fans, and of course, it is understandable to baseball fans. The second necessity is that it has to have no original research, and all references must be reliable. There is no original research in this, and the references are from reliable news websites such as Wall Street Journal, AP, ESPN, The Athletic, NBC Sports, and from reliable baseball statistics websites such as Baseball-Reference.com. The third necessity is that it has to be broad in its coverage, addressing all the main and important topics. The three important "sections", background, incident, and aftermath are all highly detailed, with the aftermath being the most, including MLB Office investigations, and even fan polls results. The fourth necessity is that it has to be neutral. This is a sensitive topic, non-Astros fans may vandalise or troll this page because of they feel what the Astros did was not right. This is why this page is semi-protected. I read no signs of any slightest bias, and I found no evidence of an editor making his or her opinion, instead, quotes were taken from players and personnel related to this topic, highlighting their opinions.

The fifth necessity is that it needs to be stable, and as explained before, the article is highly stable and I doubt there will be any edit wars in the future as the article will most likely stay semi-protected. The sixth and last necessity is that all media needs to have copyright statuses and captions relevant. All images show players or items related to these scandals, and the copyright statuses are listed. Captions are also fairly relevant.



This is my improved review that is more specific to the text.

Introduction:

  • In paragraph 2, line three, change "such as that of banging on a trash can", to, "such as the banging of a trash can".
  • In paragraph 3, line 1, change "for failing to prevent the rules violations" to, "for failing to prevent the rule violations".
  • In paragraph 3, line 3, change " MLB's investigation also determined that Boston Red Sox manager Alex Cora helped mastermind the Astros' sign stealing while serving as Hinch's bench coach in 2017;" by replacing the semicolon with a period.
  • In paragraph 3, line 3, change "; Boston and Cora mutually parted ways" to, "the Red Sox and Cora mutually parted ways".

Feedback for Background

  • In paragraph 5, line 3, change " They defeated the New York Yankees in the 2017 AL Championship Series in seven games, winning all four home games at Minute Maid Park while losing all three road games at Yankee Stadium.", to "They then went on the defeat the New York Yankees in the 2017 AL Championship Series in seven games, proceeding to the World Series."
    • I think leaving the record at each stadium is relevant to the article because it does highlight the advantage of the sign-stealing at Minute Maid Park. -- LuK3 (Talk) 18:09, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Speculation and accusations of sign stealing:

  • In paragraph 6, line 2, change "Astro Carlos Correa expressed surprise" to, "Astros player Carlos Correa expressed surprise".
    • Changed it to "Astros shortstop Carlos Correa". -- LuK3 (Talk) 18:18, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • In paragraph 6, line 3, change "and Alex Bregman and George Springer declined to comment" to, "while Alex Bregman and George Springer declined to comment".

MLB investigation report and discipline:

  • In paragraph 1, line 2, change "In December, Tom Verducci of Sports Illustrated reported" to, "In December 2019, Tom Verducci of Sports Illustrated reported".
  • In paragraph 1, line 2, change "and MLB investigators were combing through" to, "and that MLB investigators were combing through".
  • In paragraph 5, line 2, change "there was "no justification for Hinch's failure to act" to, "and that there was "no justification for Hinch's failure to act".
  • In paragraph 6, lines 1 - 2, change "In his report Manfred" to "In his report, Manfred".
  • In paragraph 6, line 3, change "If Luhnow and Hinch were to commit further "material violations" of baseball rules, they will be permanently banned from baseball." to "In Luhnow and Hinch are to commit further "material violations" of baseball rules, they will be permanently banned from baseball."
    • Changed to "If Luhnow and Hinch committed further "material violations" of baseball rules, they will be permanently banned from baseball." -- LuK3 (Talk) 18:42, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • In paragraph 6, lines 3-4, change "Additionally, Luhnow will be required to undergo "management/leadership training" while he is suspended." to "Additionally, Luhnow was required to undergo "management/leadership training" while he was suspended."

Continued accusations:

  • In paragraph 1, line 3, change "Altuve released a statement through his agent" to "Jose Altuve released a statement through his agent".
  • In paragraph 1, lines 4 -5, change " Reddick called internet speculation that he was wearing a buzzing device "ridiculous", and Bregman called the buzzer rumors "stupid"." to "Josh Reddick called internet speculation that he was wearing a buzzing device "ridiculous", and Alex Bregman called the buzzer rumors "stupid"."

Reactions; Astros reactions:

  • In paragraph 9, why is Cody Bellinger, a Dodgers player included in Astros Reactions? Move him to MLB.
    • I believe the Bellinger paragraph is in that section is the reaction from Carlos Correa. -- LuK3 (Talk) 18:42, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • In paragraph 9, line 1, change "Dodger Cody Bellinger" to "Dodgers player Cody Bellinger".

Reactions; Public reactions:

  • In paragraph 3, line 1, change "are not scheduled to play the Dodgers in 2020" to "were not scheduled to play the Dodgers in 2020".

Impact:

Delete that last two sentences in the third paragraph. Already mentioned before in the article

    • Unless I'm missing something, I do not see the rehiring of both Hinch and Cora being mentioned earlier in the article. -- LuK3 (Talk) 18:42, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]


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Reviewer: I'mInterestedInEverything (talk · contribs) 01:11, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'mInterestedInEverything, I have just cleaned up the formatting of this page, using pound symbols in place of the number so that the software can render the numbers nicely. You may be interested in Wikipedia:Good_article_nominations/templates, which has a number of nicely premade templates for GA reviews :) CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 20:17, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'mInterestedInEverything, thank you for offering to review the article. While I appreciate your willingness to review the article, I do have some hesitations with your review. In my opinion, the review does not go into great detail with the content. While good articles are not held to the same standard of featured articles, they should represent some of the best content Wikipedia has to offer. For example, both Talk:Major League Baseball/GA3 and Talk:Willie Mays/GA1 go into great detail regarding citations, grammar, and organization. You can use those GA reviews to help you with this review. Wikipedia:Good article nominations/templates also have some handy templates to help you organize your thoughts based on the GA criteria. Please either ping me on this page or leave me a message on my talk page if you need help. You can also request a second opinion on the review by following the instructions at WP:GAN/I#2O. Thank you. -- LuK3 (Talk) 01:41, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • LuK3, Thanks for the feedback LuK3. I am neccesarily new to Wikipedia, but I agree, my review isn't specific enough. I will try to edit this review, I guess. Thanks again! I'mInterestedInEverything (talk) 13:42, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'mInterestedInEverything just following up to see how your review is going. -- LuK3 (Talk) 12:17, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'mInterestedInEverything I should be getting to the review sometime this weekend. -- LuK3 (Talk) 11:11, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • CaptainEek, Thanks for cleaning it up! I'mInterestedInEverything (talk) 13:44, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'mInterestedInEverything I believed I addressed all of your comments above. There were a few points I made but I implemented a majority of your changes. Please let me know if you have any further comments or questions. -- LuK3 (Talk) 18:44, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • LuK3 It seems like the article is clear and concise and everything passes. I will be passing this article.
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