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request edit August 23, #2

Hello, I would like to suggest new sources on the Dairy Brand patent. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Delete: The name Dairy Brand was registered with the U.S. Patent Office in 1903.

Add: The name Dairy Brand was registered with the U.S. Patent Office in 1903.[1] [2] [3] 


Hello-Mary-H (talk) 19:34, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Please allow me to format the patent info properly and re-submit with that info. Apologies. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 19:47, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

request edit August 23, #3

Hello, I would like to suggest new sources on the Dairy Brand patent. On this request, I hope the patent is properly placed in the template. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Delete: The name Dairy Brand was registered with the U.S. Patent Office in 1903.

Add: The name Dairy Brand was registered with the U.S. Patent Office in 1903.


U.S. Trademark Expired 0210057, (registrant) geo. a. hormel & co. corporation minnesota austin minnesota, "DAIRY BRAND", published 2018-08-23, issued 1903-03-05 

[4] 

[5] 

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 20:32, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

 Reply 24-AUG-2018 
There seems to be a problem with getting the USPTO information to display properly. Unfortunately, USPTO does not offer straightforward links to the information on their servers, which makes URLs difficult to craft for use on Wikipedia, but it can be done. I looked under the patent number you listed above, US Patent No. 210,057 and the device listed under that number is a wardrobe-bedstead patented by David Shupe in 1878, which doesn't appear to be the Hormel patent listed in your reference. Do you have another patent number for this claim? ALSO please clarify is this for a patent or a trademark? Remember that patents have patent numbers while trademarks have registration numbers.  spintendo  21:07, 24 August 2018 (UTC)


request edit August 23, #4


Hello, I would like to suggest new source. Thank you. Suggested new info: Delete: Not-So-Sloppy-Joe Sloppy Joe sauce made its debut in 1985.[4]:183 

Add:  Not-So-Sloppy-Joe Sloppy Joe sauce made its debut in 1985.

References

U.S. Trademark CANCELLED 1417607, (REGISTRANT) GEO. A. HORMEL & CO. CORPORATION MINNESOTA AUSTIN MINNESOTA, "NOT-SO-SLOPPY-JOE", published 1985-08-26, issued 1985-08-27  Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:21, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

 Reply 24-AUG-2018 
This patent number, like the earlier entry, is incorrect. The one you've listed here, US Patent No. 1,417,607 is to automotive headlights manufactured by FS Kern & Co. in 1922. Do you have another patent number for this? And is this for a patent or a trademark? Remember that patents have patent numbers while trademarks have registration numbers.  spintendo  21:07, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

request edit August 23, #5

Hello, I would like to suggest a new source that is independent of Hormel. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Delete: That same year Hormel bought Alderson's Mill and began selling Hormel Peerless Minnesota flour nationwide.[11]:85 

Add:  In 1917, Hormel bought Alderson's Mill and began selling Hormel Peerless Minnesota flour nationwide.[6]


Hello-Mary-H (talk) 23:43, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

 Reply 24-AUG-2018 
This reference needs the quote parameter filled out.  spintendo  21:57, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

request edit August 23, #6

Hello, I would like to suggest new sources that show the early company history and business relationship between George Hormel and Albert Friedrich. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Delete: Hormel handled the production side of the business and his partner, Albert Friedrich, handled the retail side. The two dissolved their partnership in 1891 so that Hormel could start a complete meat packing operation on his own. [4]:5–7

Add: Hormel handled the production side of the business and his partner, Albert Friedrich, handled the retail side. The two dissolved their partnership in 1891 so that Hormel could start a complete meat packing operation on his own.[7]   

[8]  Hello-Mary-H (talk) 00:10, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

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request edit August 24, #1

Hello, I would like to suggest new sources that show the early company history. Thank you.

Suggested new info:

Delete: In 1903 George decided to add a three-story hog-kill, a two-story beef-kill, an annex, an engine room, a machine shop and a casing production department.[11]:64–65

Add: In 1903[9] George decided to add a three-story hog-kill, a two-story beef-kill, an annex, an engine room, a machine shop and a casing production department. [11]:64–65

References

  1. ^ <!—not listed--> (Oct 13, 1924). "Trademark Electronic Search System (TESS)". uspto.com. United States Patent and Trademark Office. Retrieved 23 August 2018. "Word Mark DAIRY BRAND Goods and Services (EXPIRED) IC 029. US 046. G&S: SLICED BACON, [ BACON, ] HAM, [ COOKED VINEGAR-PICKLED HEARTS, COOKED VINEGAR-PICKLED PIGS FEET, COOKED VINEGAR-PICKLED PORK HOCKS, COOKED VINEGAR-PICKLED TONGUES, LARD, PORK SAUSAGE MEAT, PORK SAUSAGE, ] WIENER-STYLE SAUSAGE, FRANKFURTER-STYLE SAUSAGE [ , SLICED DRIED BEEF ]. FIRST USE: 19030305. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19030305"
  2. ^ "Common stock shares listing". Newspapers.com. Star Tribune. Sept 24, 1929. Retrieved 23 August 2018. "The established brands in the regular packing lines are HORMEL DAIRY BRAND and HORMEL GOOD FOOD." {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)(Subscription required.)
  3. ^ "Hormel's Provisions". Newspapers.com. Mower Country Transcript. Jun 28, 1905. Retrieved 23 August 2018. "Hams, lb. …… 9c Our Pure Dairy Brand"(Subscription required.)
  4. ^ "Common stock shares listing". Newspapers.com. Star Tribune. 24 September 1929. Retrieved 23 August 2018. "The established brands in the regular packing lines are hormel dairy brand and hormel good food."(Subscription required.)
  5. ^ "Hormel's Provisions". Newspapers.com. Mower Country Transcript. 28 Jun 1905. Retrieved 23 August 2018. "Hams, lb. …… 9c Our Pure Dairy Brand"(Subscription required.)
  6. ^ "The Northwestern Miller". The Northwestern Miller. Minneapolis, Minnesota: Miller Publishing Company, etc., 1878-1973. 12 Jul 1922. Retrieved 23 Aug 2018.
  7. ^ "Not stated". Newspapers.com. Mower Country Transcript. 7 Oct 1891. Retrieved 23 August 2018. "The firm of Friedrich & Hormel has been dissolved. Neither retires from business but they separate its branches. Friedrich will hereafter own and run the meat market, and Hormel the packing house. Mr. Hormel will leave for Chicago this week to purchase additional machinery for the packing house. It will be all completed and ready for operations in about a month, and will have a capacity of one hundred hogs per day."(Subscription required.)
  8. ^ "Wool ad". Newspapers.com. Mower Country Transcript. 11 Jun 1890. Retrieved 23 August 2018. "Friedrich & Hormel are in the market for the purchase of light, medium and combing Wools with good reliable prices. The expense of handling wool with us is light, and as we represent one of the largest wool firms in Chicago we are enabled to pay Highest Cash Prices."(Subscription required.)
  9. ^ Warren, Wilson J. (2007). Tied to the Great Packing Machine: The Midwest and Meatpacking. (link: [1]). Iowa City: University of Iowa Press. p. 20. ISBN 9781587297748. Although the Chicago, Milwaukee, and St. Paul Railroad had built a line through Austin in 1867, the Hormel plant was the town's first significant industry. Pork continued on a small scale at Hormel until 1903, when Morrell lent money to the company for new facilities and by World War I, Hormel was among the largest independents in the Midwest. {{cite book}}: External link in |others= (help)

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 19:04, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

 Reply 24-AUG-2018 
The Warren reference speaks of money for new facilities, but its not made clear whether those new facilities were the ones described in the claim, which appear to concern some sort of facility referred to as a "three-story hog kill".  spintendo  21:57, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Spintendo, Is it possible to cite the date of 1903 possibly? Thank you.Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:49, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

 Reply 24-AUG-2018 
"In 1903" is no more than a prepositional phrase. It is missing the second part of the sentence — namely, a subject and a verb. Without that second part, the information tells us only one thing: literally "in 1903." This could be referring to the Hormel facilities being built in 1903 or it could be referring to the fact that the year 1903 began and ended on a Thursday. Because it is placed at the beginning of the sentence, this makes referencing it difficult. Placing it at the end does little to help in this regard, because (1) the date when the expansion of processing facilities actually occurred and (2) the date George Hormel decided to expand these facilities and (3) the date that the money was lent by Morrell to expand these facilities may not have all occurred during the same year. Additionally, the sentence fragment which denotes events occurring "by the end of WWI" needlessly complicates our attempt to solidify the year, as WWI's end through the signing of the Treaty of Versailles occurred 16 years after 1903.  spintendo  04:24, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

request edit August 24, #2

Hello, I would like to update info on Dairy Brand. Thank you for your patience as I learn trademark versus patent best formatting practices. Suggested new info:

Delete: The name Dairy Brand was registered with the U.S. Patent Office in 1903.

Add: The name Dairy Brand was first registered for trademark in 1903.[1] Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:44, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

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Information on the trademark was added to the article. spintendo  06:03, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

request edit August 24, #4

Hello, I would like to suggest new sources that show the early company history. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Delete: By 1916, Hormel products were routinely appearing in national magazines.[11]:77

Add: By 1916, Hormel products were routinely appearing in national magazines.[2]

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 23:58, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ U.S. Trademark 71,203,817
  2. ^ "Hormel Good cheer ad". Good Housekeeping. New York: International Magazine Company. July 1916. Retrieved 24 Aug 2018.

 Reply 25-AUG-2018 
The claim should be altered to read as "Hormel products began appearing in national magazines such as Good Housekeeping as early as 1916."  spintendo  06:03, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

request edit August 27, #1

Hello, I would like to suggest a new source that shows the early company history and is independent of Hormel. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Delete: By 1916, Hormel products were routinely appearing in national magazines.[11]:77

Add: Hormel products began appearing in national magazines such as Good Housekeeping as early as 1916.[1]


Hello-Mary-H (talk) 00:49, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Hormel Good cheer ad". Good Housekeeping. New York: International Magazine Company. July 1916. Retrieved 27 Aug 2018.

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request edit August 24, #3

Hello, I would like to suggest new source. Thank you. Suggested new info: Delete: That same year Hormel bought Alderson's Mill and began selling Hormel Peerless Minnesota flour nationwide.[11]:85 

Add:  In 1917, Hormel bought Alderson's Mill and began selling Hormel Peerless Minnesota flour nationwide.[1]

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 23:01, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

no Declined
The information in the claim statement does not align with the information presented in the supplied reference. Namely, the article states that the facility was purchased in 1917. Several attempts were made at increasing the facility's production levels, which were effected in small amounts. The Milling company operated separate from the main company for a short time until this separateness was shown to be unfeasible with regards to competition, whereupon the milling company was reorganized in 1921. Nothing is mentioned regarding "the selling of Hormel Peerless flour nationwide" in the Northwestern Miller source, thus is cannot be used to replace the Dougherty source.  spintendo  06:03, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for your ongoing patience. Is it possible to add it as a source but have it not be the only source for this statement? Thank you.Hello-Mary-H (talk) 16:09, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

request edit August 29, #1

Hello, I would like to a new independent source. Thanks.

Suggested new info:

Delete: Founder George A. Hormel died in 1946 in California where he had lived in retirement. 

Add: Founder George A. Hormel died in 1946 in California where he had lived in retirement.[2]  


Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:48, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "The Northwestern Miller". The Northwestern Miller. Minneapolis, Minnesota: Miller Publishing Company, etc., 1878-1973. 12 Jul 1922. Retrieved 23 Aug 2018. The Hormel Milling Co., which operates a 1,500-bbl mill at Austin, Minn., is one of the important and successful milling companies in southern Minnesota. It was in July, 1917, that George A. Hormel, founder and president of the packing firm of George A. Hormel & Co., acquired the old Peerless Roller Mills, formerly operated by Alexander S. Campbell.}}
  2. ^ "G.A. Hormel, Meat Packing Founder, Dies". Newspapers.com. Wisconsin State Journal. June 6, 1946. Retrieved 12 August 2018. "The body of multimillionaire George Albert Hormel will be sent to Austin, Minn., birthplace of his meat packing house chain, for burial after funeral services today at his palatial Bel Air mansion." "Mr. Hormel had lived quietly at Bel Air since he retired from active management of his meat company in 1926(Subscription required.)

 Done  spintendo  00:25, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

References

http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4803:7go421.2.3 Hello-Mary-H (talk) 12:09, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

request edit August 30, #1

Hello, I would like to suggest a new independent source. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Delete: Not-So-Sloppy-Joe Sloppy Joe sauce made its debut in 1985.[4]:183 

Add:  Not-So-Sloppy-Joe Sloppy Joe sauce made its debut in 1985.[1]

 Reply 30-AUG-2018 
Because this trademark was invalidated, the documents that go along with it where the company gives info as to where the product began and how long they've been using it are not linked to this trademark number. Do you have an updated one?  spintendo  13:21, 30 August 2018 (UTC)


References

  1. ^ U.S. Trademark 1,417,607

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 12:44, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

 Reply 30-AUG-2018 
The link for the book is not working. I will go ahead and add it, but do you have a better link?  spintendo  13:21, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Spintendo, I'm not sure what's going on, but this link works better: https://www.amazon.com/Pop-Icons-Business-Legends-Commerce/dp/1630478431 Let me know if that's ok. Thanks.Hello-Mary-H (talk) 13:33, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

request edit August 30, #2

Hello, I would like to suggest a new source. Thank you. Suggested new info: Delete: Little Sizzlers sausages were introduced in 1961[14]:119 and Cure 81 hams were introduced in 1963.[14]:118

Add:  Little Sizzlers sausages were introduced in 1961 and Cure 81 hams were introduced in 1963.[1]


August 30, #3

Hello, I would like to suggest new independent sources. Thank you.

Suggested new info: Delete: In 1926. the company introduced Hormel Flavor-Sealed Ham, America's first canned ham and it added chicken to its line in 1928.[11]:116–120 

Add:  In 1926, the company introduced Hormel Flavor-Sealed Ham, America's first canned ham.[2]

A chicken line debuted in 1928.[3]

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 13:19, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

 Reply 01-SEP-2018 
This claim is too closely worded to how it is in the original, and the claim about "adding a chicken line" is too short for one sentence; it certainly doesn't impart a great amount of info.  spintendo  14:50, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

request edit August 30, #4

Hello, I would like to suggest new source on the trademark for this product.

When I go to USPTO and search US trademark 1417607, it shows the trademark was filed in 1985 and cancelled May 24, 1993. Did you possibly need to refresh and search, perhaps, to see this information?

Serial Number 73564245 Filing Date October 21, 1985 Current Basis 1A Original Filing Basis 1A Published for Opposition August 26, 1986 Registration Number 1417607 Registration Date November 18, 1986 Owner (REGISTRANT) GEO. A. HORMEL & COMPANY CORPORATION DELAWARE 501 - 16TH AVENUE N.E. AUSTIN MINNESOTA 55912 Attorney of Record WILLIAM O. MCCORMACK Prior Registrations 1013611;1032240;1032440;1114612;1228643;1290346;AND OTHERS Description of Mark THE MARK USED IS COMPRISED OF A FANCIFUL DESIGN AND THE WORDS "HORMEL" AND "NOT-SO-SLOPPY-JOE". THE LINING IN THE MARK IS A FEATURE THEREOF AND DOES NOT INDICATE COLOR. Type of Mark TRADEMARK Register PRINCIPAL Live/Dead Indicator DEAD Cancellation Date May 24, 1993

Also, US trademark 1464772 was filed in 1987 and remains live.

A later US trademark 2187713 was filed in 1997 and cancelled May 16, 2009.

Thank you.

Suggested new info:

Delete: Not-So-Sloppy-Joe Sloppy Joe sauce made its debut in 1985.[4]:183 

Add:  Not-So-Sloppy-Joe Sloppy Joe sauce made its debut in 1985.[4]

http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4805:t2drim.2.37 Hello-Mary-H (talk) 17:47, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

 Reply 01-SEP-2018 
The USPTO website, while an invaluable source, sometimes doesn't give good information on whether these were the innovator products. It's difficult to tell from the paper trail if this was the debut for sloppy joe. Since this is already referenced there is no urgency to replace a company source with paperwork that essentially originates from a law firm hired by the company to file these trademarks with the govt.  spintendo  14:50, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

request edit August 30, #5

Hello, I would like to suggest a new independent source. Thank you.

Delete: Hormel joined the World War I effort, George's son Jay C. went into military service[11]:84 and by the end of the war, exports accounted for 33% of the company's yearly volume.[14]:40

Add: Hormel joined the World War I effort in 1917, when George's son Jay C. went into military service.[5] By the end of the war, exports accounted for 33% of the company's yearly volume.[14]:40 Hello-Mary-H (talk) 18:56, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

 Reply 01-SEP-2018 
The link for this connects us to page 65 of the LIFE source, but there is no mention of military service on page 65.  spintendo  14:50, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

request edit August 30, #7

Hello, I would like to suggest a new independent source. Thank you.

Delete: In 1921, when Jay Hormel returned from service in WWI, he uncovered that assistant controller Cy Thomson had embezzled $1,187,000 from the company over the previous ten years.

Add: In 1921, when Jay Hormel returned from service in WWI, he uncovered that assistant controller Cy Thomson had embezzled $1,187,000 from the company over the previous ten years.[6] Hello-Mary-H (talk) 19:32, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

 Reply 01-SEP-2018 
This also links to page 65 which does not speak about embezzlement.  spintendo  14:50, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

request edit August 30, #8

Hello, I would like to suggest a new independent source. Thank you.

Delete: He did so by arranging for more reliable capital management, by dismissing unproductive employees, and by continuing to develop new products,[14]:90–103 reportedly with the mantra “Originate, don't imitate."[15] 

Add: He did so by arranging for more reliable capital management and by dismissing unproductive employees.[7] The company continued to develop new products,[14]:90–103 reportedly with the mantra “Originate, don't imitate."[15] 

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 20:07, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

 Reply 01-SEP-2018 
The link for this connects us to page 65 of the LIFE source, but there is no mention of the quote, dismissing unproductive employees, or relying on capital management on page 65.  spintendo  14:50, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

request edit August 30, #9

Hello, I would like to suggest a new independent source. Thank you.

Delete: Dinty Moore beef stew was introduced in 1935 first created by Ryen "Gunns" Gunning and Hormel Chili and Spam soon followed in 1936 and 1937 respectively.[11]:158–159

Add: Dinty Moore beef stew was introduced in 1935, and was first created by Ryen "Gunns" Gunning. Hormel Chili followed in 1936.[11]:158–159 Spam came to the market in 1937.[8]

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 20:14, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

 Reply 01-SEP-2018 
The link for this connects us to page 65 of the LIFE source, where we do see information on SPAM, but no info on Dinty Moore.  spintendo  14:50, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

request edit August 30, #10

Hello, I would like to suggest a new independent source. Thank you.

Delete: Jay C. then became chairman of the board, H.H. Corey became president, and R.F. Gray became vice-president. [11]:222–223

Add: Jay C. then became chairman of the board, H.H. Corey became president, and R.F. Gray became vice-president.[9]

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 21:11, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

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request edit August 30, #11

Hello, I would like to suggest a new independent source. Thank you.

Delete: In 1931, Jay C. instituted the Annual Wage Plan: under this plan, employees were paid weekly and they were guaranteed 52 weeks' notice before termination of employment.[11]:67 

Add: In 1929, the company began implementing its Annual Wage Plan for employees to be paid weekly the same weekly wages, even when their work schedule waxed and waned over the 52 weeks of a year.[10]  Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:07, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

 Reply 01-SEP-2018 
This should be re-worded. "Waxed and waned" is too WP:FLOWERY and the prose, having originated in the era of black and white TV, is too obviously from the 1940's - to borrow another phrase from that time period, it "sticks out like a sore thumb".  spintendo  14:50, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

request edit August 31, #1

Hello, I would like to suggest a new independent source. Thank you.

Delete: In 1938, Jay C. Hormel introduced the "Joint Savings Plan" which allowed employees to share in the proceeds of the company.[11]:150–153

Add: In 1938, Hormel introduced the "Joint Savings Plan" which allowed employees to share in the proceeds of the company.[11]  Hello-Mary-H (talk) 12:00, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

 Reply 01-SEP-2018 
The quoted text contains another quote from a person who isnt identified, so I cant be sure if the Atlanta Constitution is reporting on something similar to a press release with this info or what. In other words, if they are quoting someone from the company saying this, then its essentially a company source. But they dont say who the quote is coming from, so I'm left wondering who said it.  spintendo  14:50, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

request edit August 31, #2

Hello, I would like to suggest a new independent source. Thank you.

Delete: Benjamin F. Hormel, brother of George A., retired in 1941 after completing 50 years of service.[11]:167

Add: Benjamin F. Hormel, brother of George A., retired in 1941 after completing 50 years of service.[12]  Hello-Mary-H (talk) 12:13, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Moore, Hank (5 Apr 2016). Pop Icons and Business Legends: History of Commerce and Heritage of Culture. New York: Morgan James Publishing. p. 124. ISBN 1630478431.
  2. ^ Allen, Gary; Albala, Ken date=2007 Oct 30. The Business of Food: Encyclopedia of the Food and Drink Industries. Santa Barbara: Greenwood Press. p. 225. ISBN 031333725X. {{cite book}}: Check |author-link= value (help); External link in |author-link= (help); Missing pipe in: |first2= (help)CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
  3. ^ <--Levinson, Frances--> (11 March 1946). "Hormel: The Spam Man". Life. New York: Time Inc. Retrieved 30 Aug 2018.
  4. ^ U.S. Trademark 1,417,607
  5. ^ <--Levinson, Frances--> (11 March 1946). "Hormel: The Spam Man". Life. New York: Time Inc. Retrieved 30 Aug 2018. "In 1917 Jay went to war."
  6. ^ <--Levinson, Frances--> (11 March 1946). "Hormel: The Spam Man". Life. New York: Time Inc. Retrieved 30 Aug 2018. He remained the boss's son, however, until one fateful Saturday night in 1921…. Under these circumstances an enterprising assistant comptroller, "Cy" Thomson, had found it simple to embezzle systematically over a period of years the sum of $1,187,000…. It was not until Jay Hormel, coming on a slight oddity in the records, undertook a careful study of the books that Thomson's defalcation was uncovered.
  7. ^ <--Levinson, Frances--> (11 March 1946). "Hormel: The Spam Man". Life. New York: Time Inc. Retrieved 30 Aug 2018. …the stagnant company had sustained a half-million-dollar deficit for the year. Hormel accompanied his father as that indomitable man of 61 made a weary trip to his bankers and offered his personal integrity and the soundness of his organization. The loan was granted. George A. went home to Austin, sadly but ruthlessly cleaned house by firing most of his executives and turned a good portion of work over to his son.
  8. ^ <--Levinson, Frances--> (11 March 1946). "Hormel: The Spam Man". Life. New York: Time Inc. Retrieved 30 Aug 2018. In 1937 Spam went on public sale, ballyhooed by one of the earthiest, corniest and most successful promotion campaigns in U.S. advertising history.
  9. ^ "Hormel President 'Self-Made' Like an Alger Boy, Corey Goes to Top". Newspapers.com. Star Tribune. July 9, 1946. Retrieved 30 August 2018. Corey, 53, who has been vice president and general manager of the company since 1938, was advanced to the presidency Monday by the board of directors. As president of the Hormel company he succeeds Jay C. Hormel who was made chairman of the board to fill the position held by his father, George A. Hormel, founder of the organization, who died June 5. R.F. Gray, 40, who came to the company from a road construction job as a sausage truck driver, was made executive vice president and general manager.(Subscription required.)
  10. ^ <!—Bette Freedman--> (May 19, 1949). "Here Steady Work Pays Off!". Newspapers.com. The Independent Hawarden, Iowa. Retrieved 30 August 2018. The Hormel annual wage plan, which was begun as early as 1929 when the management began experimenting with the idea of assuring continuous employment, has affected a strong economic upturn for all of Hormel's employees…. During periods of heavy livestock receipts an employee may work up to a maximum of 53 hours in a single week, with his extra hours credited to his annual time quota, and during the slack or slow season, he may work as little as 24 hours a week, but he is always paid on the basis of 52 full work weeks a year.subscription required|s}}
  11. ^ "Hormel Workers Get $20,790 Joint Earnings author=<!—none-->". Newspapers.com. The Atlanta Constitution. Nov 24, 1948. Retrieved 30 August 2018. This payment is part of a distribution of $2,401,585.60, which Hormel & Company have paid out since the end of their fiscal year, last Oct. 30. 'This is definitely an earning check and not a bonus or a profit sharing return. The aim of the Hormel & Company has paid out earns the money, he gets it. Thus, the more effort and co-operation he shows, the more likelihood of improved earnings.' The Hormel plan has been in operation for 10 years. {{cite web}}: Missing pipe in: |title= (help)subscription required|s}}
  12. ^ "Ben Hormel Retires After Five Decades Started At Bottom; Worked Way Up to Vice President author=<!—staff report-->". Newspapers.com. The Minneapolis Star. Nov 9, 1941. Retrieved 31 August 2018. Fifty years of continuous service in Geo. A. Hormel and company ended Saturday with the resignation and retirement of Ben F. Hormel, senior vice president of the company. {{cite web}}: Missing pipe in: |title= (help)subscription required|s}}

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request edit September 2, #1

Hello, I would like to suggest a new independent source. Thank you.

Delete: Hormel joined the World War I effort, George's son Jay C. went into military service[11]:84 and by the end of the war, exports accounted for 33% of the company's yearly volume.[14]:40

Add: Hormel joined the World War I effort in 1917, when George's son Jay C. went into military service.[1] By the end of the war, exports accounted for 33% of the company's yearly volume.[14]:40


Hello-Mary-H (talk) 13:00, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

 Reply 00-AUG-2018 
The problem with this claim is that it says "Hormel joined the war effort when George's son Jay went into military service." Was that their idea of joining the war effort, having Jay join the military? Was that it? If I'm not mistaken and there was a draft, then Jay had no choice but to join. Either way, I dont see how his joining the military has anything to do with the company. If anything, this claim should be removed—not the claim of him going to war, but the linking of him going to war as somehow bringing about Hormel's "joining the war effort"  spintendo  15:02, 2 September 2018 (UTC)



request edit Sept 2, #2

Hello, I would like to suggest a new independent source with the relevant page number where the information can be found. Thank you.

Delete: In 1921, when Jay Hormel returned from service in WWI, he uncovered that assistant controller Cy Thomson had embezzled $1,187,000 from the company over the previous ten years.

Add: In 1921, when Jay Hormel returned from service in WWI, he uncovered that assistant controller Cy Thomson had embezzled $1,187,000 from the company over the previous ten years.[2]


Hello-Mary-H (talk) 13:17, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ <--Levinson, Frances--> (11 March 1946). "Hormel: The Spam Man". Life. New York: Time Inc. p. 64. Retrieved 2 September 2018. In 1917 Jay went to war.
  2. ^ <--Levinson, Frances--> (11 March 1946). "Hormel: The Spam Man". Life. New York: Time Inc. p. 64. Retrieved 2 September 2018. He remained the boss's son, however, until one fateful Saturday night in 1921…. Under these circumstances an enterprising assistant comptroller, "Cy" Thomson, had found it simple to embezzle systematically over a period of years the sum of $1,187,000…. It was not until Jay Hormel, coming on a slight oddity in the records, undertook a careful study of the books that Thomson's defalcation was uncovered.

 Edit request implemented   spintendo  15:24, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Request edit

  • request edit September 5, #1

Hello, I would like to suggest a new independent source. Thank you.

Delete: Hormel joined the World War I effort, George's son Jay C. went into military service[11]:84 and by the end of the war, exports accounted for 33% of the company's yearly volume.[14]:40

Add: In 1917, George's son Jay C. went to World War I, where he served as a lieutenant.[1]


Hello-Mary-H (talk) 18:50, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

 Reply 07-SEP-2018 
Could you clarify the text, it says "Lieutenant Hormel was sent to the U.S. to compose uniform orders for American packers on how to bone, freeze and pack beef." Is this where he was sent to during the war, or was this passage of text regarding something later on in the source (cause I see you placed an ellipsis before this part. Please advise, thanks.
 spintendo  08:32, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

  • request edit September 5, #2


Hello, I would like to suggest a new independent source. Thank you.

Delete: In 1938, Jay C. Hormel introduced the "Joint Savings Plan" which allowed employees to share in the proceeds of the company.[11]:150–153

Add: In 1939, Hormel’s Joint Savings Plan allowed employees to share in the proceeds of the company.[2] 


Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:02, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

 Implemented
 spintendo  08:32, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

  • request edit September 5, #3


Hello, I would like to suggest a new independent source. Thank you.

Delete: In 1931, Jay C. instituted the Annual Wage Plan: under this plan, employees were paid weekly and they were guaranteed 52 weeks' notice before termination of employment.[11]:67 

Add: In 1929, the company began implementing its Annual Wage Plan for employees to be paid the same weekly wages, even when their hourly work schedule would change over the 52 weeks of a year, when the season was slower.[3]


Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:07, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

 Reply 07-SEP-2018 
The source does not clarify what an employees "annual time quota" was, and whether not meeting it meant that in periods of slower work, the employee would not get extra pay to compensate. The claim statement makes it seem as if employees are all paid the same wage over 52 weeks. This should be explained more clearly. In the meantime I've removed the prior wording of this, as it is obviously incorrect ("52 weeks notice before termination")
 spintendo  08:32, 7 September 2018 (UTC)


  • request edit September 3, #4


Hello, I would like to suggest a new independent source. Thank you.

Delete: Dinty Moore beef stew was introduced in 1935 first created by Ryen "Gunns" Gunning and Hormel Chili and Spam soon followed in 1936 and 1937 respectively.[11]:158–159

Add: Dinty Moore beef stew was introduced in 1935.[4]

Hormel Chili followed in 1936.[5]

Spam came to the market in 1937.[6]


Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:39, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

 Reply 07-SEP-2018 
The first source states that the Dinty Moore name was purchased in 1935, not that the Dinty Moore brand was introduced in 1935. Green tickYThe other two sources were added.
 spintendo  08:32, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

  • request edit September 6, #1

Hello, I would like to suggest a new independent source. Thank you.

Delete: He did so by arranging for more reliable capital management, by dismissing unproductive employees, and by continuing to develop new products,[14]:90–103 reportedly with the mantra “Originate, don't imitate."[15] 

Add: He did so by arranging for more reliable capital management and by dismissing unproductive employees. [7] 

The company continued to develop new products,[14]:90–103 reportedly with the mantra “Originate, don't imitate."[15] 


Hello-Mary-H (talk) 12:28, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

 Reply 07-SEP-2018 
The new source says nothing about reliable capital management and mentions firing "executives", not unproductive employees.
 spintendo  08:32, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

  • request edit September 6, #2


Hello, I would like to suggest a new independent source. Thank you.

Delete: In 1921, when Jay Hormel returned from service in WWI, he uncovered that assistant controller Cy Thomson had embezzled $1,187,000 from the company over the previous ten years.

Add: In 1921, when Jay Hormel returned from service in WWI, he uncovered that assistant controller Cy Thomson had embezzled $1,187,000 from the company. [8]


Hello-Mary-H (talk) 12:39, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

 Reply 07-SEP-2018 
 Already done This reference is already used for this claim in the article.
 spintendo  08:32, 7 September 2018 (UTC)


  • request edit September 6, #3

Hello, can we reconsider and use this trademark as a source given the way trademarks on Wikipedia are explained here – ? It seems to show that the U.S. government would only allow Hormel to use this trademark (and Hormel is the first and only ones to do so, given the dates attached to the trademark paperwork) – and that the usage is protected by law.

Wikipedia Getting a trademark Trademarks are protected by law. In some countries, a person or company can get a trademark simply by using the name, word, phrase, symbol, logo, design, or picture on its products. Trademarks can also be registered. In that case, the business tells the government of its country that it wants to use a certain name, word, phrase, symbol, logo, design or picture as a trademark for the products it sells. If no other person or business is using the trademark to sell those products, then the government will list that trademark. Once it is listed, no one else can use that trademark for those products. This is called "registering" the trademark.

When I go to USPTO and search US trademark 1417607, it shows the trademark was filed in 1985 and cancelled May 24, 1993.

Serial Number 73564245 Filing Date October 21, 1985 Current Basis 1A Original Filing Basis 1A Published for Opposition August 26, 1986 Registration Number 1417607 Registration Date November 18, 1986 Owner (REGISTRANT) GEO. A. HORMEL & COMPANY CORPORATION DELAWARE 501 - 16TH AVENUE N.E. AUSTIN MINNESOTA 55912 Attorney of Record WILLIAM O. MCCORMACK Prior Registrations 1013611;1032240;1032440;1114612;1228643;1290346;AND OTHERS Description of Mark THE MARK USED IS COMPRISED OF A FANCIFUL DESIGN AND THE WORDS "HORMEL" AND "NOT-SO-SLOPPY-JOE". THE LINING IN THE MARK IS A FEATURE THEREOF AND DOES NOT INDICATE COLOR. Type of Mark TRADEMARK Register PRINCIPAL Live/Dead Indicator DEAD Cancellation Date May 24, 1993

Thank you.

Suggested new info:

Delete: Not-So-Sloppy-Joe Sloppy Joe sauce made its debut in 1985.[4]:183 

Add:  Not-So-Sloppy-Joe Sloppy Joe sauce made its debut in 1985. [9]


http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4805:t2drim.2.37 Hello-Mary-H (talk) 16:54, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

 Reply 07-SEP-2018 
 Done The trademark was added to the references, but keep in mind that the paperwork used to file a trademark (along with information on the product being used) originates from the company's attorneys. That makes this a Hormel-related source. If the claim was about the USPTO giving a trade mark, then it would be an independent source, because the act of bestowing the trademark was performed by and reported on through the govt's patent office.
 spintendo  08:32, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

  • request edit September 6, #4


Hello, I would like to suggest a new source. Thank you. Suggested new info: Delete: In 1926. the company introduced Hormel Flavor-Sealed Ham, America's first canned ham and it added chicken to its line in 1928.[11]:116–120 

Add:  In 1926, the company introduced Hormel Flavor-Sealed Ham, America's first canned ham and a chicken line debuted in 1928. [10]

[11]


Hello-Mary-H (talk) 18:47, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

 Implemented
 spintendo  08:32, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

  • request edit September 6, #5

Hello, I would like to suggest a new source. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Delete: Hormel acquired the Fremont Packing Company in 1947.[11]:233–234

Add:  Hormel acquired the Fremont Packing Company in 1947. and added more than 500 production workers. [12]


Hello-Mary-H (talk) 19:52, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

 Implemented
I've left out the part about the production workers, unless you want to add text explaining what happened to these jobs 38 years later.  spintendo  08:32, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ <--Levinson, Frances--> (11 March 1946). "Hormel: The Spam Man". Life. New York: Time Inc. p. 64. Retrieved 2 September 2018. By 1917, Jay went off to war… Lieutenant Hormel was sent to the U.S. to compose uniform orders for American packers on how to bone, freeze and pack beef.
  2. ^ "Joint Earnings Plan Tried Out In Meat Plant author=<!—none-->". Newspapers.com. Minneapolis Star. Jan 6, 1939. Retrieved 5 September 2018. …the "joint earnings plan" – a modified profit sharing plan by which employees will benefit in direct proportion to the profitableness of the company's operations. {{cite web}}: Missing pipe in: |title= (help)subscription required|s}}
  3. ^ <!—Bette Freedman--> (May 19, 1949). "Here Steady Work Pays Off!". Newspapers.com. The Independent Hawarden, Iowa. Retrieved 30 August 2018. The Hormel annual wage plan, which was begun as early as 1929 when the management began experimenting with the idea of assuring continuous employment, has affected a strong economic upturn for all of Hormel's employees…. During periods of heavy livestock receipts an employee may work up to a maximum of 53 hours in a single week, with his extra hours credited to his annual time quota, and during the slack or slow season, he may work as little as 24 hours a week, but he is always paid on the basis of 52 full work weeks a year.subscription required|s}}
  4. ^ Lee, Laura (31 May 1999). The Name’s Familiar: Mr. Leotard, Barbie and Chef Boyardee. Gretna, Louisiana: Pelican Publishing. p. 192. ISBN 1565543947.
  5. ^ Moore, Hank (2016). Pop Icons and Business Legends: History of Commerce and Heritage of Culture. New York: Morgan James Publishing. p. 124. ISBN 1630478431.
  6. ^ <--Levinson, Frances--> (11 March 1946). "Hormel: The Spam Man". New York: Time Inc. Retrieved 5 September 2018. In 1937 Spam went on public sale, ballyhooed by one of the earthiest, corniest and most successful promotion campaigns in U.S. advertising history. {{cite magazine}}: Cite magazine requires |magazine= (help)
  7. ^ <--Levinson, Frances--> (11 March 1946). "Hormel: The Spam Man". Life. New York: Time Inc. p. 65. Retrieved 6 September 2018. The loan was granted. George A. went home to Austin, sadly but ruthlessly cleaned house by firing most of his executives and turned a good portion of the work over to his son.
  8. ^ <--Levinson, Frances--> (11 March 1946). "Hormel: The Spam Man". Life. New York: Time Inc. p. 64. Retrieved 6 September 2018. .
  9. ^ U.S. Trademark 1,417,607
  10. ^ Allen, Gary; Albala, Ken date=2007 Oct 30. The Business of Food: Encyclopedia of the Food and Drink Industries. Santa Barbara: Greenwood Press. p. 225. ISBN 031333725X. {{cite book}}: Check |author-link= value (help); External link in |author-link= (help); Missing pipe in: |first2= (help)CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
  11. ^ <--Levinson, Frances--> (11 March 1946). "Hormel: The Spam Man". Life. New York: Time Magazine. p. 65. Retrieved 6 September 2018.
  12. ^ <--Genoways, Ted--> (February 2013). "This Land Is Not Your Land". Harper’s. New York: Harper’s Magazine Foundation. p. 2-11. Retrieved 6 September 2018.

Edit request Sept 7 #1

Hi there,

Is each trademark or patent considered a Hormel source then? Seems so, just want to confirm.

Thanks. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 23:27, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Yes, if the claim uses information submitted by the company in support of their trademark application, I would consider that to be a company-related source. If the claim were about the fact that the company was granted a trademark for a product, the granting of that trademark is an independent act decided upon by the US govt, and any reporting on that trademark being granted would be considered an independent source. The dual nature of the trade mark application process, whereby the company submits paperwork to the govt, who then reviews it and makes a decision about it, means that whatever is being communicated in the claim (a product's usage date versus the trademark's granted date) could either be an independent source or a company related source.  spintendo  05:57, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

request edit September 7, #2

Hello, I would like to suggest a new independent source. Thank you.

Delete: Hormel joined the World War I effort, George's son Jay C. went into military service[11]:84 and by the end of the war, exports accounted for 33% of the company's yearly volume.[14]:40

Add: In 1917, George's son Jay C. went to World War I, where he served as a lieutenant.[1]


Hello-Mary-H (talk) 23:34, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ <--Levinson, Frances--> (11 March 1946). "Hormel: The Spam Man". Life. New York: Time Inc. p. 64. Retrieved 7 September 2018. By 1917, Jay went off to war. Out of the shadow of his family he enjoyed himself and demonstrated for the first time his administrative talents. He was stationed at an ice plant in the quartermaster depot at Tours. One of its functions was to distribute beef that came from the U.S. frozen in quarters. Earlin in 1918 shipping space grew scant and supplies were running low. Hormel and his commanding officer, a Colonel Grove, figured that 40% cargo space could be saved if the beef were boned before it was frozen, and he dispatched a cable explaining this to Washington. The idea was accepted, and Lieutenant Hormel was sent to the U.S. to compose uniform orders for American packers on how to bone, freeze and pack beef.
 Implemented

 spintendo  05:57, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

request edit September 11, #2

Request edit #1

Hello, I would like to suggest a new source. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Delete: Not-So-Sloppy-Joe Sloppy Joe sauce made its debut in 1985.[32] 

Add: Not-So-Sloppy-Joe Sloppy Joe sauce made its debut in 1985.[1] 

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 00:36, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

request edit September 11, #2

Hello, I would like to update the sources since it looks like one of the old sources (Richard Dougherty book) is still there. Maybe a mistake from the Sept 6 request? Thank you.

Suggested new info: Delete: In 1926. the company introduced Hormel Flavor-Sealed Ham, America's first canned ham and it added chicken to its line in 1928.[11]:116–120 

Add:  In 1926, the company introduced Hormel Flavor-Sealed Ham, America's first canned ham and a chicken line debuted in 1928. [2] [3]

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 01:02, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ <!—none--> (Oct 27, 1985). "Hormel Not So Sloppy Joe Sauce ad". Newspapers.com. The Akron Beacon Journal (Akron, Ohio). Retrieved 11 September 2018. Save 25c on new Not-So-Sloppy-Joe-Sloppy Joe ™ Sauce. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)subscription required|s}}
  2. ^ Allen, Gary; Albala, Ken date=2007 Oct 30. The Business of Food: Encyclopedia of the Food and Drink Industries. Santa Barbara: Greenwood Press. p. 225. ISBN 031333725X. {{cite book}}: Check |author-link= value (help); External link in |author-link= (help); Missing pipe in: |first2= (help)CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
  3. ^ <--Levinson, Frances--> (1946 Mar 11). "Hormel: The Spam Man". Life. New York: Time Magazine. p. 65. Retrieved 6 September 2018. {{cite magazine}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

Reply 13-SEP-2018

 Unable to implement 

  1. Red XN The Akron Beacon Journal ad regarding Not-So-Sloppy-Joe-Sauce would not be in a position to definitively state whether 1985 was the debut of the sauce, or if it were, it would be a company related source and not an independent one.
  2. Red XN The Dougherty book reference still being in the sentence is no mistake: the earlier request was declined. The original request asked to add one full sentence and one partial sentence: "In 1926, the company introduced Hormel Flavor-Sealed Ham, America's first canned ham.[1] A chicken line debuted in 1928.[2]" The first sentence was too closely worded to the source material, and the second sentence, "a chicken line debuted in 1928" was felt to be too short and a bit confusing, because the product mentioned immediately before it—the canned ham—is not referred to as a "line". "Chicken line" is not used anywhere near this sentence, so this begs the question of what "a chicken line" is. The current configuration of this sentence does not eliminate this confusion ("In 1926, the company introduced Hormel Flavor-Sealed Ham, America's first canned ham and a chicken line debuted in 1928."—also a run-on sentence).  spintendo  07:14, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

request edit September 14, #1

Hello, I would like to update the source and text. Thank you. Suggested new info: Suggested new info:

Delete: In 1926. the company introduced Hormel Flavor-Sealed Ham, America's first canned ham and it added chicken to its line in 1928.[11]:116–120 

Add:  In 1926, the company introduced Hormel Flavor-Sealed Ham, the world’s first canned ham, and added a canned chicken product line in 1928. [1] [2]

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:00, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Allen, Gary; Albala, Ken date=2007 Oct 30. The Business of Food: Encyclopedia of the Food and Drink Industries. Santa Barbara: Greenwood Press. p. 225. ISBN 031333725X. {{cite book}}: Check |author-link= value (help); External link in |author-link= (help); Missing pipe in: |first2= (help)CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
  2. ^ <--Levinson, Frances--> (1946 Mar 11). "Hormel: The Spam Man". Life. New York: Time Magazine. p. 65. Retrieved 6 September 2018. {{cite magazine}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

 Implemented
 spintendo  10:51, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Spintendo. Does that mean the number of individual sources closely related to Hormel drops from 17 to 16?

request edit September 14, #2

Hello, I would like to suggest a new independent source. I can’t find further documentation on Ryen “Gunns” Gunning and Dinty Moore. Thank you.

Delete: Dinty Moore beef stew was introduced in 1935 first created by Ryen "Gunns" Gunning and Hormel Chili and Spam soon followed in 1936 and 1937 respectively.[11]:158–159

Add: Dinty Moore beef stew was introduced in 1935.[1]

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:33, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ <-- Potempa, Philip--> (05 August 2016), From the Farm: Reader wants beef stew recipe and who's Dinty Moore?, Chicago: Chicago Post Tribune, retrieved 14 Sept 2018, By 1935, Hormel Foods decided to purchase and register Dinty Moore as a food brand to market a "steamed-beef-and-gravy product" at 15 cents a can, and touted for "a long shelf life" in the cupboard… While the Dinty Moore restaurant might have inspired the idea to market the canned foods, the recipes were developed by Jay Catherwood Hormel, son of founder George A. Hormel. {{citation}}: Check date values in: |access-date= and |date= (help); no-break space character in |quote= at position 199 (help)

no Not approved
The source states that the company decided to purchase and register Dinty Moore in 1935, not that it was introduced in 1935.
 spintendo  10:51, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

request edit September 11, #1

Hello, I would like to update info on Dairy Brand. Thank you. Suggested new info: Delete: The name Dairy Brand was registered with the U.S. Patent Office in 1903.[12]

Add: The name Dairy Brand was first used in 1903.[1]

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 20:05, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Spain, Patrick; Talbot, James date=January 1, 1995. Hoover's Handbook of American Business 1996: Profiles of 750 Major U. S. Companies, Set (2 Vol Set). Short Hills, New Jersey: Hoover’s. p. 458. ISBN 1878753886. In 1903 Hormel introduced its first brand name (Dairy Brand) and a year later began opening distribution centers nationwide. {{cite book}}: Check |author-link= value (help); External link in |author-link= (help); Missing pipe in: |first2= (help); no-break space character in |quote= at position 3 (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
I updated the text. The patent was actually registered in 1926. Kemples (talk) 21:06, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
  1. The sentence proposed by the COI editor is not clear in its wording ("first used" meaning used as a food item or a registered trademark?)
  2. The reference left in place for this statement by Kemples is the correct one to use, as it covers both claims in the sentence: the date of first use and the date of registration. The reference suggested for use by the COI editor would not have accomplished both of these requirements.
  3. A "Thank you" to Kemples for correcting the dates used by this sentence in the article and for adding text which explains the differences of "first use".  spintendo  07:34, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Kemples and Spintendo for the correction and updates. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:06, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello-Mary-H Happy to help Kemples (talk) 12:28, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

request edit September 17, #1

Hello, I would like to suggest a new independent source. I can’t find documentation that Ryen “Gunns” Gunning was in any way attached to Dinty Moore. Thank you.

Delete: Dinty Moore beef stew was introduced in 1935 first created by Ryen "Gunns" Gunning and Hormel Chili and Spam soon followed in 1936 and 1937 respectively.[11]:158–159

Add: Dinty Moore began as a New-York based character in a 1913 syndicated Hearst-owned popular newspaper comic strip by George McManus. In the comic, Dinty Moore served hearty Irish dishes at his tavern. The Dinty Moore canned food line concept was bought and registered for U.S. trademark by Hormel in 1935.[1]

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:01, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ <-- Potempa, Philip--> (05 August 2016), From the Farm: Reader wants beef stew recipe and who's Dinty Moore?, Chicago: Chicago Post Tribune, retrieved 14 Sept 2018, Starting in 1913, newspaper mogul William Randolph Hearst began running a popular comic strip called "Bringing Up Father" in The New York American, as well as in his many other newspapers via King Features Syndicate. The comic strip, created and drawn by George McManus, starred a working class Irish couple named Jiggs and Maggie, who suddenly found themselves wealthy and part of the New York elite society set. The comic's storylines often had husband Jiggs returning to his old neighborhood tavern, run by his friend Dinty Moore, who served up favorite working class food fare like Irish stew and corned beef and cabbage. In real life, cartoonist McManus visited the Irish eatery of pal James Moore, which opened in 1914 at 216 West 46th St. Moore decided to take the Dinty Moore name for what became a very popular Midtown restaurant drawing Joe DiMaggio and other famed names… By 1935, Hormel Foods decided to purchase and register Dinty Moore as a food brand to market a "steamed-beef-and-gravy product" at 15 cents a can, and touted for "a long shelf life" in the cupboard… While the Dinty Moore restaurant might have inspired the idea to market the canned foods, the recipes were developed by Jay Catherwood Hormel, son of founder George A. Hormel. {{citation}}: Check date values in: |access-date= and |date= (help); line feed character in |quote= at position 414 (help)

Reply 13-SEP-2018

  Edit request partially implemented  

  1. Red XN The author Philip Potempa is an author and a chef and isn't a journalist or historian, so I'm not inclined to accept his "Answer of reader's letters" column.
  2. Green tickY I removed the ref note regarding Dinty Moore since you said that you couldn't find anything which confirmed its claims, which ostensibly included the very reference which accompanied it. Without that note the claim was unreferenced, thus the claim was also removed.  spintendo  09:09, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

request edit September 17, #2

Hello, I would like to update the sources. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Suggested new info: Delete: Jay C. Hormel died on August 30, 1954, and Corey was named chairman of the board and R.F. Gray was elected president the following year.[11]:255–257 

Add: Jay C. Hormel died in 1954.[1]  The next year, Corey was named chairman of the board and R.F. Gray was elected president.[2] 

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 23:21, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ <!—unknown--> (31 Aug 1954). "Jay C. Hormel". Newspapers.com. Wisconsin State Journal. Retrieved 17 September 2018. Jay C. Hormel, 61, head of the George A. Hormel meat packing firm, died Monday after a long illness. Mr. Hormel, son of the founder of the firm, had suffered more than a year with a heart condition.(Subscription required.)
  2. ^ <!—Special to the Minneapolis Tribune--> (19 Apr 1955). "New President Chosen for Hormel Firm". Newspapers.com. Minneapolis Morning Tribune. Retrieved 17 September 2018. R.F. Gray, executive vice president of Geo. A. Hormel & Co., Monday was elected president of the 64-year-old meat-packing firm. H.H. Corey, president since 1946, will continue as chairman of the board and chief executive officer. Gray, 49, is the fourth president in the firm's history. George A. Hormel, the founder, headed the company for 38 years and after him his son Jay C Hormel was president until Corey took over in 1946.(Subscription required.)

Reply 18-SEP-2018

  Not an improvement  

  • This claim would add to the article's already-overused descriptions of shuffling of executives in the top positions, particularly with the paragraph just preceding it. I would suggest merging these statements so that the section does not become a listing of comings and goings.  spintendo  09:09, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

request edit September 18, #1

Hello, I would like to suggest new wording attached regarding Dinty Moore. Philip M. Potempa started his journalism career in 1992 and is "a newspaper journalist who writes about entertainment, theater and celebrities in a newspaper column and stories which began being published in his flagship newspaper The Post-Tribune and The Chicago Tribune Media Co. in 2016. Previously, from 1995 to 2015, his columns and feature stories were published in The Times of Northwest Indiana and Illinois, in addition to his writing also being syndicated and shared with the more than 50 other newspapers in the Lee Media Enterprises newspaper chain, which includes The St. Louis Post-Dispatch and other newspapers in their recently acquired Pulitzer Newspapers chain." More info at https://www.valpo.edu/communication/about/faculty-and-staff/philip-potempa/ and https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3023452/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm Thank you.

Add: Dinty Moore began as a New-York based character in a 1913 syndicated Hearst-owned popular newspaper comic strip by George McManus. In the comic, Dinty Moore served hearty Irish dishes at his tavern. The Dinty Moore canned food line concept was bought and registered for U.S. trademark by Hormel in 1935.[1]

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 18:06, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ <-- Potempa, Philip--> (05 August 2016), From the Farm: Reader wants beef stew recipe and who's Dinty Moore?, Chicago: Chicago Post Tribune, retrieved 14 Sept 2018, Starting in 1913, newspaper mogul William Randolph Hearst began running a popular comic strip called "Bringing Up Father" in The New York American, as well as in his many other newspapers via King Features Syndicate. The comic strip, created and drawn by George McManus, starred a working class Irish couple named Jiggs and Maggie, who suddenly found themselves wealthy and part of the New York elite society set. The comic's storylines often had husband Jiggs returning to his old neighborhood tavern, run by his friend Dinty Moore, who served up favorite working class food fare like Irish stew and corned beef and cabbage. In real life, cartoonist McManus visited the Irish eatery of pal James Moore, which opened in 1914 at 216 West 46th St. Moore decided to take the Dinty Moore name for what became a very popular Midtown restaurant drawing Joe DiMaggio and other famed names… By 1935, Hormel Foods decided to purchase and register Dinty Moore as a food brand to market a "steamed-beef-and-gravy product" at 15 cents a can, and touted for "a long shelf life" in the cupboard… While the Dinty Moore restaurant might have inspired the idea to market the canned foods, the recipes were developed by Jay Catherwood Hormel, son of founder George A. Hormel. {{citation}}: Check date values in: |access-date= and |date= (help); line feed character in |quote= at position 414 (help)

Reply 18-SEP-2018

Dear Abby was a syndicated column run by Pauline Phillips under Universal Press Syndicate wherein 1987 she had a daily reach of over 1200 newspapers across the country running in such esteemed venues as the Chicago Tribune and the Chicago Sun-Times — a reach more than 20x's larger than that of Mr. Potempa. Nevertheless, I don't believe she would be considered a reliable source. I'm almost certain that wherever Mr. Potempa discovered his sources for his column can be located and reassembled here to offer a more secure reference for these three claims than Mr. Potempa's word alone. spintendo  00:01, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

request edit September 18, #2

Hello, I would like to update the wording and sources. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Suggested new info:

Delete: After reaching sales of $75 million in 1941, George and Jay established The Hormel Foundation to provide perpetual independence of the company, act as trustees of the family trusts and to start and fund The Hormel Institute, a research unit at the University of Minnesota.[11]:301–304 Benjamin F. Hormel, brother of George A., retired in 1941 after completing 50 years of service.[23] Hormel's production increased to aid in World War II and 65% of its products were purchased by the U.S. government by 1945.[11]:77–78 Founder George A. Hormel died in 1946 in California where he had lived in retirement.[24] He is buried in Austin's Oakwood Cemetery. Jay C. then became chairman of the board, H.H. Corey became president, and R.F. Gray became vice-president.[25] Hormel acquired the Fremont Packing Company in 1947.[26]

Jay C. Hormel died on August 30, 1954, and Corey was named chairman of the board and R.F. Gray was elected president the following year.[11]:255–257 During Gray's tenure as president, the company greatly expanded its international business through arrangements with companies in Ireland, The UK, Canada and Venezuela. In 1959, Hormel was the first meatpacker to receive the Seal of Approval of the American Humane Societyfor its practice of anesthetizing animals before slaughter.[11]:270

Add: After reaching sales of $75 million in 1941, George and Jay established The Hormel Foundation to provide perpetual independence of the company, act as trustees of the family trusts and to start and fund The Hormel Institute, a research unit at the University of Minnesota.[11]:301–304 Benjamin F. Hormel, brother of George A., retired in 1941 after completing 50 years of service.[23] Hormel's production increased to aid in World War II and 65% of its products were purchased by the U.S. government by 1945.[11]:77–78 

Founder George A. Hormel died in 1946 in California where he had lived in retirement[24] and is buried in Austin's Oakwood Cemetery. Jay C. became chairman of the board and H.H. Corey became president.[25] Hormel acquired the Fremont Packing Company in 1947.[26] Jay C. Hormel died in 1954. [1] The next year, Corey was named chairman of the board and R.F. Gray was elected president. [2] During Gray's tenure, the company greatly expanded its international business through arrangements with companies in Ireland, The UK, Canada and Venezuela. In 1959, Hormel was the first meatpacker to receive the Seal of Approval of the American Humane Society for its practice of anesthetizing animals before slaughter.[3]

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 18:28, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ <!—unknown--> (31 Aug 1954). "Jay C. Hormel". Newspapers.com. Wisconsin State Journal. Retrieved 17 September 2018. Jay C. Hormel, 61, head of the George A. Hormel meat packing firm, died Monday after a long illness. Mr. Hormel, son of the founder of the firm, had suffered more than a year with a heart condition.(Subscription required.)
  2. ^ <!—Special to the Minneapolis Tribune--> (19 Apr 1955). "New President Chosen for Hormel Firm". Newspapers.com. Minneapolis Morning Tribune. Retrieved 17 September 2018. R.F. Gray, executive vice president of Geo. A. Hormel & Co., Monday was elected president of the 64-year-old meat-packing firm. H.H. Corey, president since 1946, will continue as chairman of the board and chief executive officer. Gray, 49, is the fourth president in the firm's history. George A. Hormel, the founder, headed the company for 38 years and after him his son Jay C Hormel was president until Corey took over in 1946.(Subscription required.)
  3. ^ https://www.newspapers.com/image/259842581/?terms=hormel%2Bseal%2Bof%2Bapproval%7C title=Hormel Wins Approval of Human Processes |author=<!—unlisted-->|date=17 Apr 1959|website= Newspapers.com|publisher=The Honolulu Advertiser |access-date=18 September 2018|quote=The Hormel Co. of Austin, Minn. Yesterday became the first packinghouse with nationwide distribution to receive the American Human Assn’s seal of approval for humane processing of animals… The Hormel Co. last March 24 completed facilities by which lambs and calves were given anesthesia before shackling and dispatching. It pioneered this method with hogs in 1952, first in the world to do so. It began to use the bolt gun for stunning cattle in 1957. All of its several million meat animals a year purchased from farmers are now handled in these advanced humane techniques. The American Human Assn. is a federation of 507 humane organizations in the United States and Canada.}}(Subscription required.)

Reply 18-SEP-2018

The request mixes new links with older ones which are not connected on the talk page (shown with the use of bracketed note numbers, i.e., [15], etc, and highlighted in yellow). Please reformulate your request with references which make use of Citation Style 1, the style predominantly used by the article.  spintendo  00:01, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

request edit Sept 18, #3

Hello, I would like to suggest a new independent source. Thank you.

Delete: After reaching sales of $75 million in 1941, George and Jay established The Hormel Foundation to provide perpetual independence of the company, act as trustees of the family trusts and to start and fund The Hormel Institute, a research unit at the University of Minnesota.[11]:301–304

Add: After reaching sales of $75 million in 1941, George and Jay established The Hormel Foundation to provide perpetual independence of the company[1][2], act as trustees of the family trusts and to start and fund The Hormel Institute, a research unit at the University of Minnesota. [3]

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:56, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Holcombe, Randall G. (5 Apr 2016). Writing Off Ideas: Taxation, Philanthropy and America's Non-profit Foundations. New Jersey: Transaction Publishers; 1 edition. p. 48. ISBN 0765800136. The Hormel Foundation is a Minnesota foundation established to retain control of the Hormel Company. The founders of the company were concerned that after their deaths the company would be swallowed up by industry giants, so gave controlling interest in the firm to the foundation. The foundation trustees are required to have chief financial interests in the company, in an attempt to ensure that the company would not be taken over… the Hormel Foundation … described in chapter 2 that were designed in order to maintain control over corporations by endowing the foundations with corporate stock.
  2. ^ Rachleff, Peter J. (1 Jul 1999). Hard-pressed in the Heartland: The Hormel Strike and the Future of the Labor. Boston: South End Press. p. 76. ISBN 0896084507. …the Hormel family had created the Foundation and given it control of their stock. The Foundation was supposed to act in the "best interests of the Austin community."
  3. ^ <!—Special to the Minneapolis Tribune--> (19 Apr 1955). "New President Chosen for Hormel Firm". Newspapers.com. Hormel Lab Dedicated. Retrieved 18 September 2018. Scientists, educators and industrialists gathered here Friday to dedicate the newly-expanded Hormel institute... the history of the project from 1942, when it was established as a division of the university's graduate school. It started with a study of the food value of soybeans. The institute's new laboratories are in the long white building that once was the Hormel stables. A little corner of the building was first used in 1944 for an institute project. Since then, more and more of the building and, finally, all of it, was converted from equestrian to scientific use… Dr. J. L. Morrill, University of Minnesota president, was presented with a dedication scroll. {{cite web}}: line feed character in |quote= at position 281 (help)(Subscription required.)

Reply 18-SEP-2018

The URL's for one of the references in this section is incorrect, as both URL's for reference numbers 1 and 2 link to the same item.  spintendo  00:01, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

References

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 00:13, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

request edit September 18, #4

Hello, the stories and columns by writer Philip M. Potempa have been used for WP sources at least 15 times on 14 different Wikipedia pages. More info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=phillip+potempa&title=Special:Search&go=Go&searchToken=58r1zlb303uqm595zaxi1s0qo

I would like to suggest new wording attached to Dinty Moore. Thank you.

Add: Dinty Moore began as a New-York based character in a 1913 syndicated Hearst-owned popular newspaper comic strip by George McManus. In the comic, Dinty Moore served hearty Irish dishes at his tavern. The Dinty Moore canned food line concept was bought and registered for U.S. trademark by Hormel in 1935.[1]

References

  1. ^ <-- Potempa, Philip--> (05 August 2016), From the Farm: Reader wants beef stew recipe and who's Dinty Moore?, Chicago: Chicago Post Tribune, retrieved 14 Sept 2018, Starting in 1913, newspaper mogul William Randolph Hearst began running a popular comic strip called "Bringing Up Father" in The New York American, as well as in his many other newspapers via King Features Syndicate. The comic strip, created and drawn by George McManus, starred a working class Irish couple named Jiggs and Maggie, who suddenly found themselves wealthy and part of the New York elite society set. The comic's storylines often had husband Jiggs returning to his old neighborhood tavern, run by his friend Dinty Moore, who served up favorite working class food fare like Irish stew and corned beef and cabbage. In real life, cartoonist McManus visited the Irish eatery of pal James Moore, which opened in 1914 at 216 West 46th St. Moore decided to take the Dinty Moore name for what became a very popular Midtown restaurant drawing Joe DiMaggio and other famed names… By 1935, Hormel Foods decided to purchase and register Dinty Moore as a food brand to market a "steamed-beef-and-gravy product" at 15 cents a can, and touted for "a long shelf life" in the cupboard… While the Dinty Moore restaurant might have inspired the idea to market the canned foods, the recipes were developed by Jay Catherwood Hormel, son of founder George A. Hormel. {{citation}}: Check date values in: |access-date= and |date= (help); line feed character in |quote= at position 414 (help)

This is a columnist who is experienced in writing about—as you yourself put it—entertainment, theater and celebrities. Now I'm at a loss trying to figure out which of these canned food falls under. Perhaps you could clarify. Other than that, your argument is essentially WP:OSE.  spintendo  01:42, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

request edit September 19, #1

Hello, I would like to suggest new wording attached to Dinty Moore. Note I can't figure out how to change the "add" text so that there are not blocks of italicized text. Thank you.

Add: Dinty Moore began as a New-York based character in a 1913 daily syndicated popular 'Bringing Up Father newspaper comic strip by George McManus. In the comic, Dinty Moore served hearty dishes at his tavern. McManus in real life frequented a restaurant owned by his friend James Moore that served dishes like Irish stew and corned beef and cabbage and Moore eventually changed the restaurant’s name to Dinty Moore. Other Dinty Moore locations opened nationally, and a Dinty Moore Picnics product was sold under a registered name by a Minneapolis retail store.

The Dinty Moore trademark was bought by Hormel in 1935, and the company began selling its steamed beef and gravy canned Dinty Moore product.

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Hello-Mary-H (talk) 19:53, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

 Reply 19-SEP-2018 

The URL to the Times here is non functional. Do you have another one?

 spintendo  01:54, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

  1. ^ {{cite web |url=https://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/14/nyregion/fyi-638820.html%7Ctitle=FYI A column of questions and answers about New York City.|author=<!—Daniel B. Schneider-->|date=14 Oct 2001|website= nytimes.com|publisher=New York Times |access-date=19 September 2018 |

    Stew From the Funnies

    Q. When I was kid I loved Dinty Moore beef stew. Recently I learned that Dinty Moore's was for many years a popular New York restaurant. Who was Dinty Moore, and was he, in fact, the man behind the stew? A. In 1913, George McManus, a cartoonist for The New York American, created a comic strip called Bringing Up Father, which satirized the struggles of Jiggs and Maggie, a working-class Irish couple thrust by sudden wealth into the world of New York's pampered elite. Jiggs, who longs for his previous life, returns often to the tavern owned by his old pal, Dinty Moore. Bringing Up Father was an instant and enduring hit. It became a daily feature in 1916. George McManus sometimes visited James Moore's Irish-style restaurant at 216 West 46th Street. Convinced that he was the inspiration for the Dinty Moore of comic strip fame, Mr. Moore took the name for his restaurant, which became a popular Midtown hangout for sports heroes, celebrities and swells. Corned beef and cabbage was a specialty, of course. So was Irish stew. Other Dinty Moore's were opened in cities around the country. In the 1930's, a meat retailer in Minneapolis registered the Dinty Moore name and sold a cured meat product called Dinty Moore Picnics. Hormel Foods bought the name and marketed its own steamed-beef-and-gravy product, at 15 cents a can, starting in 1935. The stew was renowned for its long shelf life.

    Later Hormel introduced a short-lived Dinty Moore character, a cartoon lumberjack, to help sell the product, which remains popular. The restaurant on 46th Street, with its polished brass and mahogany bar, was considered a virtual landmark when it closed in the early 1970's.

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