Talk:History of Squamish and Tsleil-Waututh longshoremen, 1863–1963

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Improvements on the way. Will address issues soon. Thanks.

Sturgeontransformer (talk) 06:46, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In order to address issues of neutrality, focus, and clarity, significant sections of this page have been removed by the original author. Other sections have been re-written. Also, a lead article has been established for clarity and ease of use.

ThanksSturgeontransformer (talk) 08:51, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Consolidation of ref tags currently underway (expected to be completed over next 48 hours); naming references for clarity and to reduce clutter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sturgeontransformer (talk • contribs) 23:52, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References cleanup completed. Thanks, Sturgeontransformer (talk) 23:08, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rationale for reverting changes by Spelexilh1950[edit]

Hi Spelexilh1950,

Thank you for your interest in this article. However, in order to make changes to the written content of this page, you must cite sources. All the information in this article is previously cited. It appears that your recent edits contradict my sources, yet are not cited. You are welcome to discuss these statements, but this must be done through citing academic sources. To clarify, I have provided quotations from the original source to help explain why I have currently reverted your edits. Should you continue to have issues with my rationale for reverting your edits, please consult with other editors to discuss any potential concerns.

1) The Squamish did not invite the Tsleil-Waututh to Burrard Inlet; the Tsleil-Waututh invited the Squamish. According to Lee Maracle, "Following the epidemics the Tsleil Watuth or downriver Halkomelem were reduced to forty-one souls and invited the Squamish to occupy the Burrard Inlet." Maracle, Lee. "Goodbye, Snauq." Our Story. Toronto: Dominion Institute and Anchor, 2005. 205-19. Print. p. 203

This makes sense--the Tsleil Waututh inhabited the Inlet, and they invited the Squamish to the area following the epidemic. Should you find any information to contradict Maracle's statement, please feel free to assert such findings.

2) Please see the following quote by Maracle: "Before 1800, "Downriver Halkomelem"-speaking peoples, my ancestors, inhabited the city of Vancouver. By 1812, the Halkomelem had endured three epidemics caught as a result of the east-west and north-south Indigenous trade routes." (Maracle, Lee. "Goodbye, Snauq." Our Story. Toronto: Dominion Institute and Anchor, 2005. 205-19. Print. p. 203) While you are probably correct that the Squamish experienced these epidemics as well, this article is citing a source that is referring to the Halkomelem, and it seems incorrect to simply replace Squamish with Halkomelem. There is a need for specificity here; again, should you wish to change this information please provide additional references.

This is especially important because there has been longstanding confusion surrounding languages spoken (and thus identity). According to Maracle: "For a long time the Tsleil Watuth spoke mainly Squamish--somehow they were considered part of the Squamish Band, despite the fact they never did amalgamate. It turns out they spoke "Downriver Halkomelem" before the first smallpox killed them, and later many began speaking Squamish. Some have gone back to speaking Halkomelem while others still speak Squamish." Maracle, Lee. "Goodbye, Snauq." Our Story. Toronto: Dominion Institute and Anchor, 2005. 205-19. Print. p. 207

3) Lastly, I have mentioned the Musqueam specifically because Maracle makes explicit reference to their presence. As such, it would seem incorrect to omit them from this history. Maracle writes, "Men from Squamish, Musqueam, and Tsleil Waututh joined the men at Snauq to hunt and trap ducks, geese, grouse, deer, and elk." Maracle, Lee. "Goodbye, Snauq." Our Story. Toronto: Dominion Institute and Anchor, 2005. 205-19. Print. p. 208

Best, Sturgeontransformer (talk) 08:11, 15 November 2016 (UTC) Sturgeontransformer (talk) 08:54, 15 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]