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Use of word Palestine to call the region[edit]

Tell me if I am wrong bur isn’t the region only called Palestine once the Roman name it Palestina Syria ? Shoudnt there be an intro saying - for easier reading we will call the region Palestine but be aware the name only appeared in the Roman era after Christ ? Aggy92600 (talk) 23:35, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No. The first mention of the Palestinian people was found on the wall of an Egyptian tomb, written between 1200-1150 BCE. They are referred to as PLST 65.57.163.130 (talk) 19:40, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 February 2024[edit]

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There should be a year notation added to the Second paragraph of the Section on 'Early Israelites and Philistines'

This would change the current version; "Sometime in the 12th century, the Philistines..."

to be this instead; "Sometime in the 12th century BCE, the Philistines..." PcKernel (talk) 09:25, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 18:32, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Year Notations[edit]

There should be a year notation added to all year references in the section "Hasmonean period"

This would change the current version of the first paragraph; "In 167, Antiochus IV issued an edict..."

To be this instead; "In 167 BCE, Antiochus IV issued an edict..."

The second paragraph of the current version; "In 164 Antiochus IV (or his son Antiochus V) rescinded the edict..."

To be this instead; "In 164 BCE Antiochus IV (or his son Antiochus V) rescinded the edict..."

The final sentence of the third paragraph of the current version; "...Simon's diplomacy paid off and around 140 Judea was de facto independent."

To be this instead; ""...Simon's diplomacy paid off and around 140 BCE Judea was de facto independent."

And in the fourth paragraph of the current version; "The Seleucid's continued infighting gave Judea free reigns and from 130 it began to conquer its neighbors. Non-Jews in conquered territory were forcibly converted to Judaism, expelled or made to pay tribute.[167] The Edomites became Jewish,[168] and the Samaritan temple at Mount Gerizim was destroyed.[169] By 100, Judea included the entire Palestinian hinterland from the Galilee in the north to the Negev in the south.[170] From 100 to 70 the Hasmoneans conquered many poleis along the coast and in the Transjordan.[171] The warfare and associated plunder made both the Hasmonean kings and Jerusalem's temple institution incredibly rich.[172][lxii]

To be this instead; "The Seleucid's continued infighting gave Judea free reigns and from 130 BCE it began to conquer its neighbors. Non-Jews in conquered territory were forcibly converted to Judaism, expelled or made to pay tribute.[167] The Edomites became Jewish,[168] and the Samaritan temple at Mount Gerizim was destroyed.[169] By 100 BCE, Judea included the entire Palestinian hinterland from the Galilee in the north to the Negev in the south.[170] From 100 BCE to 70 BCE the Hasmoneans conquered many poleis along the coast and in the Transjordan.[171] The warfare and associated plunder made both the Hasmonean kings and Jerusalem's temple institution incredibly rich.[172][lxii] PcKernel (talk) 19:28, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 May 2024[edit]

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Change “Palestine is the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity” to “the territory covered by modern-day Palestine and modern-day Israel is the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity”.

The reason for the change is that current wording is inaccurate. At the time of the formation of either religion the territory was not known as Palestine. When Judaism was born, the territory of Philistia was roughly the size and location of Gaza and not a place Hebrews inhabited. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistines When Christianity was formed, the territory was known as (Roman) Judea.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity Ksherder (talk) 17:18, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just deleted the relevant part, rather than complicating the lead. Btw, for the future, WP is not a source, bring sources that support any changes requested. Selfstudier (talk) 17:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Palestine" Is Not a Country[edit]

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What I think should be changed:

Most or all instances of the word "country" should be changed to "region", "territory", or another word which doesn't connote the modern concept of a "country".

The most specific word appropriate to each instance should be used. For example, "colony" might be best in some cases:

Why it should be changed:

As the article itself explains, prior to the indigenous Hebrew Kingdom, the region wasn't a "country", by the name of "Palestine" or any other name. The name "Palestine" was applied by the Romans, in an effort to erase Jewish history.

After the expulsion of the indigenous ancient Jewish population, the region was occupied by a series invading, colonizing outsiders, including the Romans, the Arab Muslims, the Ottomans, and many others. The article incorrectly refers to the region as a "country" throughout its entire history as an occupied region. Referring to the ancient region as a "country" is especially egregious, because the modern concept of a "country" didn't even exist at the time.

As the article explains, after the fall of the Ottoman empire, the region came under British control, another colonizing power. Still not a "country". The first modern "country" in the region was Israel.

Perhaps the article is using the word in a generic sense, as in "countryside". In that case, it might be appropriate to use the word "countryside" to refer to rural, undeveloped areas as "countryside", but it would not be correct to refer to developed, urban areas of the region (of which there have been several over the centuries) as "countryside". Therefore, it would be incorrect to refer to the entire region as a whole as "countryside".

References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

^[1] ^[2] ^[3] Johnywhy (talk) 16:44, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Palestine is a country and Israel occupied it, it is simple as that. Grabup (talk) 17:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done. Wikipedia is not here for you to push a POV, make WP:FORUM speeches or to berate other editors. Edit requests need to be simple and straightforward, require no argumentation and EC editors will decide whether to implement them. Selfstudier (talk) 16:58, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

[1] ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

[2] ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_State_of_Palestine#Non-member_Observer_State_status_in_the_UN_(2012)

[3] ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_name_Palestine#Roman_Aelia_Capitolina_period

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