Talk:Hawkwind/Archive 1

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Archive 1

early comments

"An unrepentant bunch of hippies": very true. What we need is an official statement to confirm this! -- The Anome 13:09, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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"11/20/2005 If anyone still cares this is John A Harrison (Orig Menmber). Living In Los Angeles CA USA." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.183.0.96 (talk • contribs) 19:25, 20 November 2005. --rodii 15:15, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

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Aband that literally took my head off. I love them with a passion and yes I wear a suit and commute to work but still get a buzz from rolling a spliff and turning steppenwolf up to "11". to add value to this page I want to describe a Hawkwind gig... if anyone wants this happy to write up? Crisisone 10:26, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Remember, it has to be encyclopedic--NPOV, verifiable and factual in tone--and that other editors may edit edit it. If you can work within those constraints, have at it. But this isn't a fan page, an appreciation, journalism, or a personal essay, it's an encyclopedia article. Sorry to be a downer, if that's the result. · rodii · 14:26, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and... literally took your head off!? Does that make it easier or harder to get the suit on? :) · rodii ·

Cleanup

Did a little formatting, and added an infobox. Was going to include a pic from http://www.starfarer.net/galleryl/hwind75.jpg , but it's probably illegal. edgarde 10:10, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure a nice email to the management would get an legit photo --C Hawke 12:46, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

"Progressive rock"

I agree that, while Hawkwind would be found in the progressive rock bins in the 1970s just like every other non-chart act, their music in no way fits the description of progressive rock in Wikipedia. "influences from classical music and jazz fusion"... not that I noticed, especially. So I'll revert. Notinasnaid 19:39, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I didn't see the note the first time you changed back that part. Hawkwind might not be considered a true prog band, but it was part of the movement, and labeling it just as a "rock music group" seems a little incomplete to me. Maybe psychedelic/space rock would be better if you don't think it's prog. Ptikobj 20:15, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if it's prog rock, but a lot of prog rock heads I know love Hawkwind. I call them Space Rock. Ms ArtGeek 04:00, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the first change wasn't me. I was just joining in... I admit I found the Wikipedia definition of Progressive Rock a little surprising, but I can't challenge it. Actually, I think rock music group is good. Introducing jargon in the first sentence can make the article less accessible. Notinasnaid 20:27, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I think people coming to this article has to have an idea about what Hawkwind, and giving them a more specific genre can help them identify what kind of music they make. Hawkwind is popular for it's space rock, some people even saying they were the ones that invented it. I don't have the information to support that, but no one can deny it was a huge infuence on it. Rock music band is really general, and I think this article should give more specific info.Ptikobj 21:23, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I was the original reverter. I bought my first Hawkwind album (In Search of Space) in 1972. At the time, there was no sense that they were in the same genre as King Crimson or Emerson, Lake and Palmer. But I guess the meaning of "progressive rock" has mutated somewhat over the years--to the point of meaninglessness if you ask me, but hey, I'm not going to war over it. I agree, though, that Space rock or some such thing would be a better classification, and I note that the Hawks don't get a mention in the (very good, IMO) Progressive rock article. Can we go with space rock or acid rock? (Actually, no reason they can't be both prog and whatever.) · rodii · 21:59, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, using "what links here" gives, among other articles, Space rock, Stoner metal (booo), List of psychedelic music artists, List of forerunners of punk music, Art rock, and Psychedelic music. So take your pick. :) · rodii ·

Allmusic sez:

Hard Rock
Prog-Rock/ Art Rock
Heavy Metal
Space Rock
British Psychedelia

Just another data point. · rodii · 22:26, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I feel compelled to chip in. Why is there an obsession among some people to catagorize & "box" music? Hawkwind defy categoization or create their own category like most artists with a 30+ year history. For example, are Genesis Prog? Most people say yes but is their later stuff prog? Or their very early Johnathan King stuff? Not really. Bands change labels fail to keep up. Call the Hawks Space rock if you must (although UFO claimed that one) or possibly the only British Krautrock band but not Prog Megamanic 02:16, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Discography list & Members table

The discography of Hawkwind is a large and complicated one due to the number of archive releases and their derivatives. I understand that some Hawkwind fans wish to know what each and every release is, but for the general public this simply detracts from the main body of the work. And besides, Andrew Dawson's Hawkwind Files website does a very good job of unearthing almost everything there is to unearth.

I've separated the discography into two sections core (or contemporaneous) work and archive releases. I had considered separating the core into studio and live albums, but the number of albums that combine both live and studio performances make this impractical. The distinction between contemporaneous and archive releases is clear and simple: Contemporaneous releases are albums the then current band recorded for release, whilst archive releases are albums compiled (usually by Dave Brock) from existing tapes.

The archive releases listed are the original ones, re-releases and derivatives have purposefully been omited. Only one release, Bring me The Head Of Yuri Gagarin, wasn't approved for release by Dave Brock. The 1999 Party (recorded in 1974, released in 1997) is inarguably an archive release. Both Zones and This Is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic were in the main recorded during the band's time with Bronze Records, but compiled and released on Flicknife Records after the band had left RCA/Active Records and I for one remember buying them on their release and wondering what they had to do with the then current band. I have also considered adding an Archive Singles section, but all these tracks have been issued elsewhere and the discography is already creeking under its own weight.

The Mission Control discography is a confusing mix of both contemporaneous and archive releases. Obviously it is Hawkwind's right to promote selective albums as they desire, but it isn't a good template for this encyclopaedic article. With regard to the three albums issued under aliases (Hawklords, Church Of Hawkwind and Psychedelic Warriors), I've included them in the main discography as they are all but Hawkind in name and they also offer an insight into the musical progress of the band. It's debateable whether Spacebrock should be included as a Hawkwind album rather than a Dave Brock solo, but it was released under the name Hawkwind.

As with the discography, the members and lineup of the band is complex and unwieldly. The table I've created has been done on a year by year basis as this gives a immediate picture of how long an individual or particular line up has lasted, rather than if the table were done on a lineup change basis. The problem with this is that members don't come and go at the turn of the year, so I've tended to concentrate on members who recorded in the year (for example, Alan Powell joined half way through 1974, but didn't record with them until 1975). It'll be interesting to see if and how this table evolves and whether it's fit for purpose.

Drwhawkfan 21:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

This is probably a good place to say you're doing a great job adding to the Hawkwind albums. The "Release History" section is a stroke of genius & needs to be done more generally across Wikipedia. What you could do - and what I've done before for Rush (as a helper) & Richard Thompson (as creator) is create a "Hawkwind Discography" page and make the discography here very short & do the expansion on the discography page - best of both worlds. Suggest you have a look at Rush/RT discos for ideas. I'll help if you want to maintain a discography page for Hawkwind but I "hopped off the bus" after Choose your Masques" so the later stuff is unknown to me - though I have most of the stuff they did before then Megamanic 01:55, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I see what you mean now about arcive realses, and why you've moved back Zones, 1999 party and whatever other one I moved into Core - one thing - what was the name they released Church of Hawkwind under then? I know it was sort of recorded as a DB solo project - but I always thougt it was released under HW name - but, tes, those three you list all belong in the main list - it would;d be silly having a separate Hawklords entry. - To be honest I think we could probably remove the quality tag at the top now - anyone else agree? --C Hawke 09:28, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

As we've decided not to use the bands definition of Core LPs - can we think of a different name? From my understanding, these should be LPs that featured, at the time of release, either new studio work, or a live recording of a recent gig/tour. Is that what we are aiming for? If so a different term should be used. Suggestions?--C Hawke 12:35, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I've taken Megamanic's advise and created this page Hawkwind discography, is it too over the top? Drwhawkfan 10:15, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Nope, that's pretty near perfect. Megamanic 00:34, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

CD rarity

There certainly has been reissues of Warrior, Astounding sounds, 25 years, Quark, and PXR5 in Germany and they can be got for less than £10 on eBay - as to the status of these I have not seen any clear answer from the band, but as in the past they have commented on dodgy releases I can only assume that these are ok --C Hawke 12:40, 26 April 2006 (UTC) PS the statemaent that some were never on CD is simply wrong - all the "Core LPs" have been released on CD, with the exception of Astounding Sounds, I bought these at the time, for that one I bought a german version on eBay last year for about £10.

I am summarising a source [1]. There do not appear to be any current CD releases of these, just rare record dealers. I observe though that prices are much more reasonable on amazon.de than in the UK/USA, thank you for the insight. But I think it remains that case that these albums are difficult, and can be expensive to get, in contrast to the first half dozen Hawkwind albums; and I feel this is worth mentioning for people studying the discography. Notinasnaid 12:48, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

By the way, Astounding Sounds has been on CD according to Hawkwind's own site [2]. The current statement is misleading (it can be read to imply that the vinyl albums were limited editions) and unhelpful: the aim was to be helpful, since these albums are difficult to get. Before I wade in, I'd welcome further comments here. Notinasnaid 12:52, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

As I say, they've all been on CD - now the question is given that this site is international do we take a UK perspective given the band are a UK one? I think not. All those listed (Warrior to PXR5) have been re-issued on german labels - often on double CDS (ASAM and Quark on one CD) - most only via eBay or by going to the web sites of the german company - I haven't the details here, but they are there, they are new (in the last year) and they are all about £10 to £20 - as opposed to the £50 plus tha ASAM was going for this time last year. BTW I didn't buy ASAM in Virgin Mega Store in London years back as it was about £20 complete with Time of Hawlord book - now that one still sells for loads! --C Hawke 12:58, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok, how about this: Titles from 1970 to 1974 are readily available on CD, and these CDs frequently include other rarities from this era, but CD recordings of albums from 1975 to 1979 are more difficult to find. Most of the major tracks from 1975-1979 appear on disk 2 of the 3-disk compilation 'EpochEclipse'. Is this still helpful, without being open to factual challenge? I observe "better" was changed to "most popular" at some time, under the guide of an NPOV change, but both are equally point of view. Who has checked what is popular? I hope major is more neutral. By the way, I have searched amazon.de for each title in turn and all the sales seem to be record dealers; I can't find any indication of current releases (though I find an intriguing mention of a double Quark/Astounding release). Do you have the URL of any of the German companies that release the disks? I would like to get them myself to supplement my original vinyl, but want to be quite sure they are legitimate releases. Notinasnaid 13:09, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

The band has now confirmed via theiw website that the Rock Fever releases are bootlegs. The followig statement is on the update page of their own site [3] BOOTLEG ALBUMS: HAWKWIND: 'LIVE IN CARDIFF 1980' - We can confirm that this album is a BOOTLEG, and the band get nothing from it's sale ! Also *ALL* of the 'Rock Fever' Hawkwind releases are counterfeits, and should also be avoided.--Mark@liverpool 20:42, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Check out eBay 1st, but if you can't find any then I'll see if I can find the web page. Fair comment about my change to "more popular" I guess I meant that someone decided they were good/popular to include on the compilation CD, any better way of saying this?? As to your concerns over making sure the new CDs are legit, I had the same concerns, but in the absence of any firm band statement and nothing posted to the BOC-L mailing list I took the view I had paid for the music when I bought the vinyl! But I know that is an easy cop-out. All my other CDs are 100% with no non-Core release.--C Hawke 13:19, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

PS - changed the "limited" part - I wasn't too happy with it, not only does it sound like the originals, but the term "limited edition" tends to mean those that are sold at the time as limited, rather than, as was the case, just a limited production run that weren't sold as such - a fine line I know.

Now if we were to get this entry as excellent as we can, maybe the Album pages should contain details of the true "limited" editions of the original vinyl LPs - posters, books etc - what you all think? First off is to get stubs for all the LPs - I did 3 the other day. --C Hawke 13:18, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

More thoughts - thinking about this is it unfair to pick on this period of CDs as having difficulties -? Have you tried to titles such as "Church Of" recently? Amazon lists it as discontinued. It may be better to take out this bit altogether, list Epoch Eclipse as "a good compliation, especially for tracks on albums which are now difficult to purchase"? How about that? --C Hawke 15:16, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

German company is hurricanerecords it has the .de domain name, I bought from them last July and they are still there with a (valid?) German postal address --C Hawke 16:29, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

25 years (hawklords) certainly not rare - just seen it in my small, inedpendant CD shop in Honiton - German email address on the back, but £8! --C Hawke 11:13, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Information regarding which Hawkwind CDs are commonly pirated can be found on the official fan site: http://www.starfarer.net/hwonebay.html (For those who don't fancy the job of trawling through the information on that page, it states that the albums WOTEOT, ASAM, QS&C, Hawklords and PXR5 are out of print and that all Rock Fever versions of these are pirated.

Information (such as medium, publisher, year of release and track listing) of each legitimate album release can be found in this comprehensive resource: http://home.clara.net/adawson/list.html Rock Fever is not mentioned there as the publisher of any re-release of a Hawkwind album.

I hope that you find this information useful for the article.

Regards,

D. Gillis.

82.0.163.136 22:07, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Alas, both those links haven't been updated for some time. I think, without a firm line from the band, the question of legitimacy of these recent german releases cannot be commented upon. --C Hawke 17:10, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I accept that those links are now quite old. However, I've just found a note on the official Hawkwind website (specifically, http://www.hawkwind.com/up_.htm): "*ALL* of the 'Rock Fever' Hawkwind releases are counterfeits, and should also be avoided." I guess, seeing as information about which releases are legitimate have been removed from the Wikipedia article, I'm flogging a dead horse with this, but, should it ever be decided that the information should be put back, this official statement cannot be ignored.

Regards,

D. Gillis, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

comment about Rock Fever added to Hawkwind_discography--C Hawke 17:38, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, as no-one has commented I've re-worked the section, basically I looked at Amazon and there was very little between the last EMI CD (Hall of Moutain Grill) and the recent "Take Me to your Leader " that are part of the "core LPs" the majority of Amazon CDs are the constant re-cycling of the unoffial compillations and Live LPs. Also I took out the comment about 90s LPs being "World Music" I don't think that can be said with any confidence.--C Hawke 12:54, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

History

Wow - great stuff drwhawkfan, a really great summary of nearly 40 years!, and all the "gossip" well referenced! --C Hawke 21:38, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

1971

I played drums with Hawkwind briefly in late 1971, joining with Twink to stand in for Ollis, who had broken his arm. IIRC Lemmy was on guitar and Dave Anderson on bass. Lemmy switched to bass after Anderson left. Wwwhatsup 03:26, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

IOW Fest

I don't know if this contributed to H.L-L's trip or not, but I recall this event one night at the IOW Fest. There was a large inflatable set up next to where Hawkwind and the Fairies would play through Tony Andrews PA. On the night in question it was arranged that Hawkwind would play inside. Spurred by rumours that Hendrix might join them a large crowd gathered inside (& paid for the privilege I think). A long wait ensued. Just as it looked like something might happen, and the band started tuning up, the inflatable's generators packed in, and there was a deafening silence. Slowly the roof began to descend. Maybe because they had paid entrance, had demarked positions, or were just too stoned, practically nobody moved. Just at the moment reason might have set in Terry Ollis started bashing away at the drums and went into extended solo. Well beyond the time that the space could have been reasonably evacuated the generators thankfully kicked in and we all breathed (spliff puffs) in relief. Wwwhatsup 03:26, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Doremi

I sent this in for rating & it got regraded as "B" - congratulations are in order to all the people who made great contributions over the last few months. There are some comments though suggesting improvements so if you want to make a few more improvements please read those first & see if we can't get all of the 1970's albums up to Good Article status. Megamanic 08:44, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Moved here from article

Trivia

Author Michael Butterworth has written a trilogy of science-fiction books with Hawkwind as the central characters. The first, The Time of the Hawklords written in 1976, was co-credited to Michael Moorcock. Queens of Deliria followed in 1978 and then Ledge Of Darkness was issued as a graphic novel in 1994, illustrated by Bob Walker.
American actor Al Matthews supported Hawkwind during the mid 1970s with his one man act, and would often join the band playing congas for their main set, including the 1975 Reading Festival when his single "Fools" was #16 in the UK charts.
Street magician Paul Zenon started his career as a teenager performing with Hawkwind at selected gigs in the early 1980s, using the name Xenon at the band's insistence^[1].
1980s Page Three girl Samantha Fox collaborated with Hawkwind on the 1993 charity single "Gimme Shelter", and also appeared as a guest at the Hawkestra event.
Jonathan Smeeton (aka Liquid Len), who was the band's lighting designer during the 1970s, went onto a successful career which included lighting Ronald Reagan's US Presidential election campaign.
in the early 1970s, some members of the band have played wearing nothing but gold body paint
EastEnders actor David Spinx who plays Keith Miller was a roadie for Hawkwind and Motörhead during the 1970s^[2].

Well, I'm not sure why John moved this here, and then made no comment about this trivia section, and what he would like to see done with it, but I will respond nonetheless. This is actually not as bad as some other trivia sections I've seen recently. At least it has some references, which is quite rare. Still, it is trivia, and, as such, it should be integrated into the article or deleted. Much of it (like the Samantha Fox bit) could go, and would not be missed. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 22:27, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

This can all pretty much be discarded. I think only the Sam Fox collaboration on the "Gimme Shelter" charity single needs working into the main text. Drwhawkfan 10:56, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Wait, you want to keep the Sam Fox bit? Why ever for? ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 16:29, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Hawkwind's involvement (with Sam Fox) in the Shelter (charity) 1993 project "Gimme Shelter" is notable enough. Drwhawkfan 20:09, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I moved it here because I don't really see any of it as being terribly valuable to the article but thought this was nicer than outright deleting it. --John 16:45, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

No, I understand why you moved it here. What I do not understand is why you made no comment. It's really no matter. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 16:53, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Dave Sphinx's article doesn't mention he was a roadie for the two, I'll go put it in there, it'll start the cited info there ;) --Alf ^melmac 11:59, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Although the cite doesn't check out, so I will if can find another.--Alf ^melmac 12:04, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Amused :-) Evadinggrid (talk) 23:49, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

2000s entries

Enough! Please no more unsourced edits to this section - the last one "Any entry re: Mr. Dibs, stating a real name, is bogus in the extreme, and the name was wrong anyway...thankyou, Dibs" may have been from the person in question - if so, thank you, but please add it to this page, which is where we add comments about the article. In any case any such statements are speculation until sourced - the only real source that would meet wiki criteria is a statement from the band or the person in question on a site that is clearly theirs such as the main band site.

The entry about Dave Brock in a remake of Madhouse_On_Castle_Street I am removing again as it is a) unreferenced and b) appears to be false - there is nothing on the BBC website, the Hawkwind web site (apart from a discussion about this entry on the forum) or anywhere else online - such a major remake would have made some web impact by now. And in any case this has nothing to do with this entry and if true should be on the Dave Brock page.

Please do not re-add these comments without valid sources. Please discuss any issues you have here. --C Hawke (talk) 11:50, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

This issue has now been raised on Edit_warring#86.155.147.172_reported_by_CHawke_.28Result:_.29

On the issue of Dave Brock's comments about Enoch Powell - these appear to be true, but have no relationship to this entry - this is about the band Hawkwind, not the personal views of its members, unless such views impact the bands music - which these don't - this section may be better of in the Dave Brock page.--C Hawke (talk) 08:12, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Proto-punk

I feel it should definately stay. Not only does the source I have right now support it, but Hawkwind's BBC documentary also mentioned their influence on punk. I know we can't use youtube as a source, but I think those of you who watch it will find it interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRw_rvrXQiQ . Rockgenre (talk) 02:01, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Proto-punk is not a genre, it just means they influenced the punk movement. Your source is certainly valid, but you should add it into the history of the band and not the info box. The genres of the info box should sum up their overall sound, and should already be detailed in the article (Preferable under a section titled Styles and Influences). Cheers, ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 03:05, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. A lot of bands who were precursors to punk all have it in their info boxes. The Stooges, MC5, New York Dolls, etc. all have it for instance. I don't see why we can't include it in Hawkwinds. Rockgenre (talk) 03:17, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

But it is explicitly stated that proto-punk is merely an influence, and (often) has no bearing on the sound. It should be removed from those bands as well, and incorporated into the prose of the article that they were a precursor to punk rock. 'Something else does it so this should to' merely shows that the flaw is systemic. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 04:22, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I believe it should stay in their infoboxes of the bands I menioned because it's a great way to described their sound as well. Rockgenre (talk) 19:28, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Capt Rizz

What evidence do we have that Capt Rizz (and to a lesser extent Arthur Brown) were "guests"/"collaborators" with Hawkwind and not official members? --kingboyk 00:00, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

In reference to the above, I knew Capt Rizz quite well when I lived in London, also I knew Alan Davie through a friend who was playing guitar for his personal project. Although Rizz did perform with them a number of times, and contributed to a few recorded songs, I can definately confirm he wasn't a full time member. As this is just my personal experience / knowledge from knowing the person concerned and knowing a member of Hawkwind and thus not eligble for inclusion on the main Wiki page due to no source to cite, I thought I'd add this comment on the discussion page purely to answer the above question.

I'm pretty sure Rizz's involvement was purely through the suggestion/help of Simon Turner my landlord at the time - the manager of the Capt Rizz band who is a longstanding friend of Dave Brock, Alan Davie and Richard Chadwick. Edited by KC 79.64.241.117 (talk) 02:11, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Jason Stuart

Jason's page redirects here, but I see no place to mention that he died on September 8, 2008 at age 39. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leegee23 (talk • contribs) 18:38, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

it is mentioned in the 2000s section--C Hawke (talk) 20:16, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

please remove

{{editsemiprotected}} this is Dibs here, can you remove "jonathan hulme debyshire, as this is wrong, and misleading...i don't want my real name, or any guess at it on here, thanks

Name removed - Obviously I cannot tell if you are who you say you are, but Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons requires verifiability, which the removed statement did not have.

Many artists use pseudonyms, and have had their real identities removed from Wikipedia, in accordance with People who are relatively unknown (Non public figure = NPF))

Arjayay (talk) 11:48, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, missed that one - we removed the spurious "news" items about the current Bass player, but hadn't noticed that this "real name" had been added elsewhere - it was because of these constant edits that I got this page semi-protected.--C Hawke (talk) 12:55, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Already done? —Ms2ger (talk) 19:09, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

It seems there's two things going on here. Firstly, the identity of Dibs can be revealed by a simple google search which throws up the book Adrift in the Ether: The Current State of the British Underground by Christopher Williams (Borderline Productions, 1997, ISBN-10: 189985505X) which gives his name as Jonathan Derbyshire-Hulme. There's no reason why this can't be cited within the article's text, it doesn't conflict Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, and the subject's wish for anonymity is neither here-nor-there. Secondly, as for the persistent vandalism, I can only presume someone is using this wiki article as a personal vendetta against the man, the unfounded accusations being beneath contempt. — Drwhawkfan (talk) 14:10, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

....and even if there was any truth in the claims then they STILL would be removed as they have nothing to do with this article - the only exception is if the band itself made a statement about this - either to dispel the claims or to issue a position about them. Only then would they be relevant to an entry about the band (IMHO) --C Hawke (talk) 11:29, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Can we re-look at it - the latest release has 3 credits for "Darbyshire" (second letter is A not E as above) - given this I think the artists name is required here to tie in with other entries (I've just updated the Blood of the Earth credits) --C Hawke (talk) 09:52, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

1980s

The article is a tad confusing around the 1980s mainly due to the revolving door on personnel, specifically the 3rd & 4th paragraphs regarding drummers. Reading the text linearly, Phil Reeves had left the band (P3) then Clive Deamer joined (P4), whereas they both were on the Night Of The Hawks film and the Night Of The Hawks video, although Turner, Reeves & Deamer were not on the Night Of The Hawks recording AFAIK.

I'll move this around so it makes sense to read whilst keeping context and lineups sequential.

I hope.

Gavinturner (talk) 02:41, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Noted precursors to punk rock?

Very prominently in the article's lead section is the claim "They are also a noted precursor to punk rock and now are considered a link between the hippie and punk cultures."

I personally can discern absolutely no connection whatsoever between early-to-mid-seventies Hawkwind and punk rock. Is the emphasis on this supposed punk connection really justified? 86.160.214.46 (talk) 02:01, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

John Lydon regularly cites Hawkwind as being an influence.Gavinturner (talk) 16:09, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Ref? Wwwhatsup (talk) 05:56, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure he mentions it in his autobiography "Rotten: No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs" but my copy is at home and I'm not. Mr Larrington (talk) 13:55, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

origins of band name

I'm totally new to this in terms of contribution, so bear with me, or help me be more useful!

I believe the origins of the band name to be a combiniation of references to Nik Turner's obvious nose and alleged flatulence. This is a widespread story, I've no evidence of truth - but it is quoted in the booklet accompanying Epocheclipse.

I also believe that the article does no justice to the evolution of the sound of the band in the nineties, to a much thicker, heavier sound, and with a return to some political and social themes, as well as an increasing use style borrowed from trance and hip hop / dub. If someone will guide me on how to get it right on here, I would be happy to put a bit of time in on that. Krustythebaker 00:54, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Whether the story is true or false, if it appears in a CD booklet it can be quoted. Like everything else in Wikipedia, you should give the source (e.g. "According to the CD booklet for xxx, the name Hawkwind..." . This rule is not applied very rigorously, but anything like this could be mistaken for mischief and deleted if not sourced. Describing the music is a very good thing and not done often enough, but is very difficult to do without introducing your own point of view (since, like me, you probably think it is pretty good). Can you find a reputable source to quote on musical evolution? Notinasnaid

I believe that the Nik Turner origins are in the Do Not Panic book, whilst the reference to a Moorcock piece, that doesn't appear to exist, only appears in one badly written Independent article. Can I remove the MM origins? Gavinturner (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:35, 8 November 2010 (UTC).

The Independent article is wrong and the reference should be removed. It's wrong a) because there's no Moorcock story titled 'Hawkwind Zoo' (or any variation thereupon), and b) because Moorcock himself denies having anything to do with coming up with the band's name (cf. Moorcock response at www.multiverse.org). --Demos99 (talk) 01:25, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

BLANGA

The word "blanga" has been widely adopted to describe the heavy electronic/guitar-based music that Hawkwind offer, with band members, participants in the band's message board, and numerous other bands adopting it as a term of musical convenience in describing studio and live recordings by the band. I have added reference to the source of this term, as described on the Indie Moines blog, hosted by one of the creators of the term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.162.55.72 (talk) 05:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

The "blanga" section was removed from the header of the article, which is reasonable. But does it belong in the article somewhere? A search for Hawkwind + Blanga turns up over 3,000,000 pages . . . https://www.google.com/search?q=+hawkwind+blanga . . . so people clearly associate the term with the band, band members have been quoted using the term, and the Hawkwind Blanga Guide is one of the longest running Hawkwind websites online . . . thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.30.70.1 (talk) 14:36, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

New guitarist in 2014?

Looking at photos of recent shows, it appears there's a seventh member of the band onstage, playing guitar. Anybody have any idea who the new addition is so line-up charts can be updated? Gnhn (talk) 13:12, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

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There are 115 watchers of this page, and you all seem content to watch this page be turned into a pithy list of entries without any attempt to knock the text into readable prose. It doesn't take much. I'm done. 217.42.5.247 (talk) 01:14, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

^ The Guardian, 5 April 1999 — Laugh or the rabbit gets it
^ The People, 19 December 2004

[1] The Guardian, 5 April 1999 — Laugh or the rabbit gets it

[2] The People, 19 December 2004

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