Talk:Hassan Sheikh Mohamud

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Spelling[edit]

Almost nobody is spelling the name "Mohamoud". Google News gets only 7 hits for "hassan sheikh mohamoud", while "hassan sheikh mohamud" gets 2250 hits. A google web search gets 33000 vs. 3000 hits. I recommend a move, with a redirect of the existing name. Comments? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 03:43, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Google hits mean nothing. We don't go by Google hits. We go by what the sources are telling us. As the sources in the article say both Mohamud and Mohamoud, therefore either is fine. There is already a redirect from Hassan Sheikh Mohamud to here. Bgwhite (talk) 05:51, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't make sense. What are the google hits if not sources, particularly the news hits? Do you think that because you find one instance of a spelling, that makes it OK to use it? There are six sources cited. 4 spell it Mohamud (including Reuters), one spells it Mohamoud, and one came up with a third another mis-spelling – Mahamoud.
Google news showed 2250 hits vs. 7 among sites that it regards as news publishers. Do you really want to argue that the 7 have any chance of being right?
But OK, lets go with quality instead of quantity. The following are in the Mohamud camp:
These are all the ones I checked. There were no other spellings. That's an awful lot of pretty well-regarded journalists, fact-checkers, and editors. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 10:31, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Profession and education[edit]

For everyone to work on this article to make it clear, Sheikh Mahamud has got a bachelor in technical education in Mogadiscio and was attending a master degree in technical education program in India. He also is not an enrepreneur. All informations beyond this are wrong.--Cruks (talk) 08:52, 12 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The sources actually state that Mohamud has a degree in engineering, not in technical education. Similarly, they indicate that he obtained an MBA in India, not a degree in technical education. They also state that he was a member of Somalia's Al-Islah chapter as opposed to Yemen's branch. In terms of academia, Mohamud was also both a university dean and a professor/lecturer; this would make him an "educator", broadly-speaking [1]. He additionally is apparently an entrepreneur, and a prominent one at that (c.f. [2]). Also, kindly keep the personal life material in the relevant personal life section. This would include the fact that Mohamud is married and is bilingual. Middayexpress (talk) 11:17, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Dont publish lies here. Where is the reference that he got a MBA in busines administration? Where is the reference that he is an entrepreneur. I have never heard and read of these false information. His whole career is linked to education in general and teaching youg technicians in Somalia. What business? You are wrong, until you bring proofs. I cannot accept just one remark about it in this BBC report. If you would go to Somalia and ask the people about politicians, they are all businessmen in expectation for money. That is how life is in Africa.--Cruks (talk) 14:41, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Actually there is no problem using BBC as a source, per WP:Rs#NO. Here you can check another one:"Mohamud graduated from the Somali National University in 1981 and then went on to study in India where he obtained a master’s degree from Bhopal University in 1988." this one also contains that he is an entrepreneur:"He’s a man of integrity and humility and a social entrepreneur who founded one of Somalia’s most successful higher education institutions: Simad University in Mogadishu." Runehelmet (talk) 14:59, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
He is a social entrepreneur, yes ok, but not an entrepreneur. This associates that he is a businessman, which is definitaly not true. Also not true is that he made a master in business administration This is also wrong.--Cruks (talk) 15:05, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The sources I linked to above indicate exactly what I said they do, so don't shoot the messenger. At any rate, I've managed to locate Mohamud's resume [3]. As it turns out, he indeed was a teacher. He also does have a Master's in Technical Education. He later started an MBA program but didn't complete it, presumably because that is when the civil war broke out. He apparently is also a prominent businessman ( [4] "According to local sources, Hassan is a prominent businessman with support from regional governments"). Middayexpress (talk) 16:20, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
According to local sources ist just nonsense. As I said wehnever you ask Africans about a high ranking politician, they would all say "yes he is a successful businessman", which in the end means nothing. They are expecting money, thats how it works in Africa. This cannot be integrated in the article, it is no useful reference. A useful reference would be when these local sources would say in what he is sucessful and in which business, dealing with cars, or selling books or what...???????. So please....!!!!--Cruks (talk) 16:45, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
These bizarre generalizations are not particularly helpful. Middayexpress (talk) 16:55, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
But it helps...just take a close look to it.--Cruks (talk) 17:43, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring[edit]

At this diff, Middayexpress reverted a number of my edits to previous awkward and, in some cases, simply incorrect language. Because it happened previously, I added a number of HTML comments during my last edit (here), carefully explaining the reason for the language and casting I chose to use. This user removed the comments (so he apparently saw them) and, in most cases, put back the previous language, without explanation, other than the edit summary "fmtting, c/e; per talk" (I don't see anything about it in my talk or the article's).

Here are some examples:

  • "defeating Ahmed by a 70% margin (190 votes vs. 79 votes)" – Do the math. 190/269 is 70.6%. Rounded, it's 71%. The margin is 41.2%, but that's less clear than "71–29%", which is the common way of writing about elections outcomes. In any case, the margin is not 70%. I changed it to "Mohamud went on to earn a lopsided win in the final round, defeating Ahmed 71–29% (190 votes vs. 79 votes)" and was reverted.
  • "The institution subsequently grew into the Simad University" – SIMAD is an acronym, as defined in the previous sentence, and needs to be capitalized. It's also shown that way on their website. It was, nevertheless, reverted to Simad.
  • "Within 30 days of his appointment, President Mohamud is scheduled to select a new Prime Minister. The Premier is then expected to name a new Cabinet." – The source doesn't say "Premier" (it says "PM" (the abbreviation of Prime Minister)), and we haven't defined that Premier=Prime Minister, so why not just eliminate having to do so? I changed it to "Within 30 days of his appointment, President Mohamud is scheduled to select a new Prime Minister, who is then expected to name a new Cabinet." and was reverted.
  • "ex-university dean" – In the lead sentence, this phrase is awkward and ambiguous. My comment was "ex-university dean" ties "ex" to "university", implying "dean of a former university". "former university dean" is, at least, neutral. "Former dean of a university" is completely unambiguous, but sounds bad. Let's just go with educator?
  • "civic activist" – Also in the lead sentence, this is wikilinked to "civil and political rights activist", which is the way it is normally stated (and why the article is so named). Why not use it?
  • "Mohamud eventually obtained an undergraduate diploma in engineering in 1981, after studying for three years at the Somali National University." – You "obtain" tickets for a baseball game (or degrees for $$$ from a diploma mill). You "earn" or are "awarded" a real degree. And why "eventually"? Three years is actually a bit less than the typical undergraduate study period.
  • "appointment / appointed" – He was not appointed. He was elected. It's an important distinction, yet this word still appears.

Also, the picture being used has been "stretched" (i.e. has the wrong aspect ratio), much like most of the crap on the "official" government website (I'm guessing that was the source). Perhaps the UNPOS would make a proper pic available if asked? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 22:57, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • The "per talk" was a reference to my initial post above.
  • I recall seeing a note you added in the coding after the word "Roadmap"; it had something to do with capitalization. However, Roadmap is a proper noun here, so it should be capitalized. At any rate, the coding is really not the place to explain one's edits at length. The talk page is there for that per WP:TALK, so it's good that you brought it here.
  • The cited link doesn't say 71–29%. It says "a margin of over 70% of all votes cast", so that's what was indicated. [5] In any event, now that you've explained the situation in detail, I actually agree with your math. It's probably a typo on the article's part.
  • The link said "Simad University" in lower case letters, so that's what was followed.[6] But yeah, visiting the website, it looks like the same acronym as his organization; so upper case letters are the way to go.
  • Premier is a common synonym for "Prime Minister". [7] But if this is less understood (although we just introduced the Prime Minister), then ok, let's make it "Prime Minister".
  • Agreed. That "ex-university dean" bit is awkward. Educator is best here since he was, after all, also a professor/lecturer.
  • "Civic activist" is often stated as a descriptor vis-a-vis Mohamud. He was apparently also political and academic activist ("academic and political and civic activist" [8]), so this should probably be indicated.
  • Fine, fine. Let's make it "awarded" (though people do often obtain legit degrees [9]).
  • Agreed. "Elected" is better here then "appointed". Middayexpress (talk) 01:22, 14 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for your response. In this case, I started to put my comments into a posting here, but I wanted to ensure that anyone that went to re-edit each section at least saw my reasoning, since a lot of editors seemingly don't bother looking at an article's talk page before editing. Even I don't always do so when I should :)
  • The comment about "Roadmap" capitalization was a question – I specifically chose not to de-cap it because I thought it might be an assigned term for the transition, which turned out to be true. Cheers. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 04:01, 14 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. Middayexpress (talk) 09:10, 14 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Name[edit]

This isn't specifically about Hassan Sheikh Mohamud but why is he called "Mohamud" instead of "Hassan"? "Mohamud" is his grandfather so why call him that? AcidSnow (talk) 21:20, 5 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In English usage, "Mohamud" serves here as an MOS:SURNAME. Middayexpress (talk) 15:26, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Wives[edit]

Why isn't Sahra Omar Hassan, his wife, noted? FloridaArmy (talk) 22:16, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hasan sheek mahamuud[edit]

soo qabashada nageeye waan utaaganahy waligeen Suldan Ak (talk) 14:31, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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