Talk:Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (film)/Archive 2

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Firenze

I noticed there was no info about Firenze at all, his character isn't listed anywhere on any of the cast lists (confirmed or not). I was wondering if anyone had any info about him in the movie, is he cut? Who's playing him? Is he all CGI like in SS or will he be half-CGI'ed like in "The Chronicles of Narnia"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by KitKat25 (talk • contribs)

I have no idea. KitKat25- you should sign your posts! (With the four tildes (~).) Emily ^{(Funtrivia Freak)} 02:26, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Due to the casting of Michael Wildman as Magorian, I would guess that the centaurs would be at least partly real humans. I loved Narnia a lot, especially the centaurs (Oreius was great!), so that would be a plus. --Fbv65edel ^{(discuss | contribs)} 19:43, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

the centaur wil be by special efects like in the chamber of secrets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.50.31.148 (talk • contribs)

Oh really? Firstly, I think you mean PS/SS. Secondly, what source is that from? --Fbv65edel ^{(discuss | contribs)} 02:18, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

IMDB - An Unreliable Source

Hello there, I want to make a statement. I cannot express how odd I find it that despite everyones' attempt to make this article fully reliable in content, sources are often creeping in that are known to be unreliable: namely IMDB. IMDB has it's similarities to Wikipedia, in that, it is edited by the public, however edits are private and are not maintained or watched by anyone. A prime example I can tell you about is the false alligation that Domino Marianelli (I believe that was his name) was set to be composer for Order of the Phoenix, only to find that Nicholas Hooper has since been confirmed! I think this policy should be nipped in the bud right now, you must not take IMDB's word as a confirmation, unless stated otherwise on a more reliable source Foxearth 10:20, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll agree, but so far as I know nothing on the page right now is confirmed only by IMDb. And the composer's name was Dario Marianelli. The other thing about IMDb is that, while it is public, it is doesn't cite its sources. But I'll second the idea that IMDb's word is not confirmation, as long as we agree with my April 7 statement in the #Release Date section of this talk page, which nobody has yet responded to, which is that we report everything which is supposedly confirmed by TLC, MN, or HPANA. --Fbv65edel ^{(discuss | contribs)} 16:26, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Sources

I have searched over, Leaky, Muggle Net, HPANA and other articles and found that Brendan Gleeson has been confirmed. The question is why do we have sources that are up to date? The article we have is from December 2nd, 2005 and Gleeson has said stuff later that.--ForestH2

Forest, why don't you present the source you think confirms him and we can check it out. On a quick browse, I didn't find any definitive statements. --Fbv65edel ^{(discuss | contribs)} 00:21, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

As we talked earlier when I didn't have this User account, I told you Gleeson had been confirmed on Leaky. Following the conversaiton, I told you to look up Interviews and for some reason you didn't find it. This says "Gleeson will once again return as Moody in Movie 5" If I gave you a direct link I wouldn't be able to do it directly to Gleeson's interviews. If you think we should leave him in Expected why on our Ex. Links do we have Harry Potter Fan Zone as once of them? Harry Potter Fan Zone has Gleeson confirmed.--ForestH2

Forest, I remember that conversation. The thing is, Leaky and HPFZ don't state where their confirmations are on that page. From what I can see, it simply says that they "know" from some source, not presented to the reader, that Gleeson is confirmed. I like MuggleNet's Cast Page because it shows the interviews. --Fbv65edel ^{(discuss | contribs)} 01:26, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

But why then do we have HPFZ on our Ex. Links at the bottom if users really shouldn't use those pages as you say, there are no sources?ForestH2 22:52, 26 April 2006 (UTC)ForestH2

Good suggestion; I have switched HPFZ's link with MN's. --Fbv65edel ^{(discuss | contribs)} 23:43, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Good.---ForestH2

I have added HPFZ's cast list, because it is now listing sources - and is more up to date than the MuggleNet one, which appears to be updated less frequently (no Maudsley, Felton etc.) and no direct link to source articles.Felix Felicis 09:17, 30 April 2006 (UTC)FF

Thanks, FF. Looks good. --Fbv65edel ^{(discuss | contribs)} 13:19, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

IMDB Source

If were not going to follow anything IMDB says, why doesn't we get rid of the link at the bottom of the page?ForestH2 23:20, 29 April 2006 (UTC)ForestH2

Forest, your suggestion is a good one. I took out the IMDb sources for the OOP film, but since the site is very accurate when it comes to talking about already released films, I cited Steve Kloves' page for the citation concerning his writing of the first four films' screenplays. --Fbv65edel ^{(discuss | contribs)} 01:45, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Looks good to me-Forest

Cleese Source

John Cleese is not even on the source we give for him. I'm going to erase it.ForestH2 19:41, 30 April 2006 (UTC)ForestH2

Brendan Gleeson confirmed as returning to his role

Hey i would just like to point out that on the-leaky-caulron.org and imdb.com, Brendan Gleeson has been confirmed to play Alastor Moody. Therefore this should be updated on the main page —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scousa (talk • contribs)

IMDB doesn't post sources and as far I know Leaky doesn't post sources. I'm checking now though. You should sign you posts like this using 4 ~'s. ForestH2 16:37, 1 May 2006 (UTC)Forest H2.

Gleeson is not confirmed as returning to his role as IMDB doesn't give sources and we need a source and Leaky doesn't give sources ethier. When I asked FBV65EDEL about moving Gleeson to confirmed they said not to. MIght have changed there minds though.-ForestH2

Forest is correct. So far there is no news about Gleeson except that he seems enthusiastic, as noted in the article. --Fbv65edel ^{(discuss | contribs)} 19:04, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

HPFZ

If you look at Harry Potter Fan Zone Potter Fan Zone's complete Order of the Phoenix Cast List you miss Felton, Leung, and other people. Go down Wikipedia's list and match them with HPFZ (Harry Potter Fan Zone). Ethier were wrong or there wrong meaning we should delete the link in the Ex. Links as we did or we should remove the confirmed cast we have and put them back into Expected. ForestH2

Forest, I don't quite understand what you're saying. Felton and Leung are confirmed on our page and also on HPFZ's. What exactly are you asking? --Fbv65edel ^{(discuss | contribs)} 01:19, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Crew

Should we have a list of all the crew on the page besides the Screenplay Writer, Producer, Director etc.? ForestH2

Wondering

Wanted to know if anyone could help me. For the bottom two "Confirmed Scenes" I can't get them to appear on refrences. I tried doing the way I know for it to appear but it didn't. Then I copyed the above one. Still nothing...It says "To many invalid keys" or something like that. Thanks, ForestH2

I have fixed it, Forest. --Fbv65edel ^{(discuss | contribs)} 21:30, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Thompson to Confirmed

The HPFZ Harry Potter Fan Zone's Cast List reports Emma Thompson is returning for Movie 5. ForestH2

Forest, the problem with the cast list is that it cites the recent piece of news about only seeing Trelawney and not Thompson. The news article paraphrases that Emma Thompson will be back, but it does not quote it. Therefore, I am going to revert the edit until such news is confirmed. Also, don't change the citation as you did to Mundungus Fletcher's to reflect changes. If that's the title of the article, it will remain that way. (See this edit by you.) --Fbv65edel ^{(discuss | contribs)} 23:44, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

By the way, in your edit summary "rvv to Trap Stilton's verison," who is Trap Stilton? PS, FYI, "rvv" stands for revert vandalism, not a cool way of saying "revert." I thought that too when I first came. :-) --Fbv65edel ^{(discuss | contribs)} 23:48, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

First thing: I know how you think that Thompson is not confirmed however, the recent piece of news said Emma Thompson is back at Trelwaney. However, I see how you think that Thompson's not confirmed. Earlier I was reverting Trap Stilton's vandalisim and when I placed r in the edit summary to do r I (on accident) clicked Saved Page. I was meaning to put Revert:. I say no more about the Emma Thompson thing however the extra does say or something like that that she is confirmed. ForestH2

I know what you mean – that's happened to me a number of times, how your previous edit summaries show up. I personally believe that Emma Thompson will be back – as will Maggie Smith and David Bradley – for the reason that the extra would have noted that it's a different actor. Still, it would be unencyclopedic to infer such a thought – perhaps the extra was forbidden to reveal such information, though s/he was allowed to say what scenes they were working on. This alternate situation is probably not likely, and I really want to see Emma Thompson in this role, but it just isn't definitively said. Just like you, I want to move her to confirmed and say, "Yes, another person off the Possible list," but it just can't be done until it's positive. Hope you understand. --Fbv65edel ^{(discuss | contribs)} 00:38, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I understand much more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ForestH2 (talk • contribs)

Knight Bus not appearing

Mugglenet says it's been told by Warner Bros. that the Knight Bros WON'T be appearing in the film as it's "in bits". I've therefore removed it from the list of confirmed scenes. [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lost4evea (talk • contribs)

The Leaky Cauldron

If anyone happend to look at Leaky Cauldron they have updated there site with some names giving no sources. I wanted to say this so nobody moves the actors to confirmed. ForestH2

Forest, which actors do you mean? I check Leaky daily and didn't see anything of that nature recently…--Fbv65edel ^{(discuss | contribs)} 00:30, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Please look at your talk page. Warwick Davis, Mark Williams. All actors under David Bradley are added. Some are real, some not. ForestH2

Chase

Right now they are trying to film a chase in which the involved witches/wizards pass famous London landmarks. From David Yates:

"So far, we have spent a lot of time on boats on the Thames. I want to do a great big wizard chase past the London landmarks and it is going to be very exciting, but it has not been easy to set up." Sorry, I am not allowed to edit on the main page so I put it here so you can put it in the section about scenes filmed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.254.235.128 (talk • contribs)

71.254.235.128, thanks for your info. Since we're not exactly sure what scenee this is, I don't think it belongs in "Confirmed Scenes," but you will see it is in the Filming Locations Rumors section. Once WB confirms what the scene is that is being filmed (I know it's a "wizard chase" but we don't know what that is in the book), we'll add it to the scenes section. --Fbv65e del ^{(discuss | contribs)} 00:33, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Cluttered

Foxearth has cluttered the Confirmed Scenes together to match them in categories. I am in the process of matching them, but still it looks to cluttered to have all those sections. Should we go back, and just have Confirmed Scenes or leave it that way? ForestH2

It looks much better now though we may want to put the Opening Sequence first. ForestH2

What are you on about? I uncluttered the page... that was the point in sorting the scenes out into categories, it makes for easier reading, I'm just trying to keep the page easy on the eye as it were, so don't start this nonsense Foxearth (Logged out)

No need to argue guys, I think having the categories is much more organized; we may even make a table. For the moment, however, things look fine and we don't need to start an argument. --Fbv65e del ^{(discuss | contribs)} 20:03, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Look this is bloody ridiculous, I agree to disagree here, in the past characters in the book have been changed around for the movie versions, and storylines/scenes altered - you have based this 'confirmed' scenario on pure assumption. Therefore it is logical that these scenes should be placed under the heading: 'semi-confirmed' due to no official word from Warner Bros. or anyone involved closley in the film's production. I never vandilized anything (which is rich coming from a former vandal), I just believe you are over emphasizing the characters in the Differences between book and movie versions of OOTP article (which is incorrectly titled - I believe it should be titled more appropriately, so to keep away from false attraction to the page), if Wikipedia is supposed to be a democratic website - then I believe that you should take my views into account, I have worked hard on the OOTP page (I added the Trivia, Confirmed Locations, Scenes, New Cast, and Cast Order sections) and 'm skeptical as top whether this website lives up to it's reputation, Foxearth (logged out due to computer errors)

Benjamin

It says here Tiana Benjamin is returning. [2]. I'm adding different things it says on there which are from David Heyman. ForestH2

Actor who will not be on the movie

Tiana Benjamin who portrated Angelina Johnson in Harry Potter and the Goblet of fire will not be on the ext movie like The Mirror said if somewone want to correct all the informations. http://www.harrypotterfanzone.com/fusion/fullnews.php?id=1400

IMDB Picture gallery

Hi I want to ask if somebody can correct the picture of the Dumbledore army in imdb where Harry Melling is describe in the picture (we know that it is William Melling) Herre is the link: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0373889/photogallery

Consideirng that this is Wikipedia and not IMDb, I would suggest you try inquiring at that site. We are not interlinked. --Fbv65e del / ☑t / ☛c || 18:20, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

confirmed actors

The picture of the Dumbledore's Army proove that William Melling who dont play a canonic character will be back so he have to be add. Here is the official list of the members of the D.A. present by HPANA: http://www.hpana.com/news.19603.html

International Release Dates

Do we want a section with the int'l release dates, as they have been reported by TLC, MN, and HPANA in the past few days? I noticed no other HP film has a section for them… --Fbv65edel ^{(discuss | contribs)} 19:35, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Protection

This page has been protected since April. It's time that it is unprotected due to the protection policy. Protected pages are only supposed to be protected for a few days. This one has been protected for two months. I am going to request unprotection. ForestH2 | + | √ | - 18:32, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Decided to wait. ForestH2 | + | √+ | √ | √- | -

Actors at Snitch

Uh...let's see here...William Melling, Harry's brother is confirmed to play Nigel....a character not in the book in OOTP. Charlotte Skeotch is confirmed and Mark Williams is confirmed. Also confirmed in Henry Llyod-Hughes. Though I kind of dobut all these characters- I'm going to add Melling as Nigel though. ForestH2 | + | √+ | √ | √- | - 23:15, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid this isn't a reliable nor reputable source. Can't add any of them, as the information wasn't published anywhere else. --Fbv65e del / ☑t / ☛c || 02:02, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Confirmed locations

The Oxford college have to be add, it not a rumour now. Here is the link if somebody want to change this information on the page: http://www.harrypotterfanzone.com/fusion/fullnews.php?id=1315

You can also do it, but thanks for the info. Sugar pine^t 23:06, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I really would like to but I can't because I am a new user and I have to waith 4 days to change something on this page. Althow, english is not my maternal language and I don't want to make a mistake on the Internet site. Louis, Comte de Frontenac 04:04, 17 September 2006

That's O.K. If you do; someone else will fix it for you. I'll go ahead and add it later. S ug ar p in e t/c 13:54, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I tried to add the Oxford college in the section of filming locations and I really work hard to put the reference url http://www.harrypotterfanzone.com/fusion/fullnews.php?id=1315. I probably did a small mistake because I looked many times and I am sure that if is correctly made. Do somebody can look for it and correct it for us. I am sorry Louis, Comte de Frontenac 00:28, 27 September 2006

I absolutely want to say thanks to the person who correct my mistake! Thanks a lot! Louis, Comte de Frontenac 14:18, 28 September 2006

Confirmed? Actors on Mugglenet Cast Page

Hello, I've had a butchers at the Mugglenet Cast page for OOTP. It states that Robert Hardy and Mark Williams are returning, however it doesn't leave any relevant citations. whilst generally Mugglenet can be trusted, I do believe that these two actors shouldn't be moved from Expected/Possible to Confirmed just yet, for I do have a slight suspicion that this may be through IMDB, rather than a reliable source (for they've both been placed there). See what you make of it. Foxearth 09:41, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

The MuggleNet cast page is usually pretty good, and MN's good in general; however, no matter the reliability of the source, we have to provide citations. So, nothing doing yet… --Fbv65e del / ☑t / ☛c || 12:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry. Mark Williams can be confirmed cause he's filmed King's Cross scenes though I have no idea about Robert Hardy though....ForestH2 t/c 17:52, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Forest, both were confirmed in August and are in the correct position on the article page. :-) --Fbv65e del / ☑t / ☛c || 02:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Knight Bus

In the cut scenes section you say that the night bus scenes have been cut do to the fact that the night bus is in pieces. But, mugglenet.com has new pictures of the night bus. At the very least you should take it off the cut scenes list. here’s the link http://www.mugglenet.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=1895&pos=2 –—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bradbwilson (talk • contribs) .

First of all, fix your grammer please. The Knight Bus has been cut; those are hardly any pictures to whine about. If you see anything that says "We have filmed the Knight Bus scenes" or something let us know. The pictures, I saw them to are just there; fake; because Warner Bros. told us there not going to appear, there probably some kind of buses, they don't look like the Knight Bus anyway. It is possible that is the picture of the Knight Bus that is not going to be used in this film, and BTW, please sign your name when you leave a message on a talk page. C a rm el apple 16:10, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Carmelapple, don't bite the newcomers. Brad, I saw the pictures as well but, because Warner Brothers confirmed that the Knight Bus scenes would not appear, but that the pictures are neither official nor confirmed to be of the Knight Bus. So, we're going to leave it in cut scenes for now. --Fbv65e del / ☑t / ☛c || 21:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that explains why I welcomed him, doesn't it? I didn't bite him. C a rm el apple 23:08, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I just meant the "fix your grammar" line. But that's all right, I do see you've welcomed him. :-) I was a bit exhausted after a long ride back from the Hamptons, sorry. --Fbv65e del / ☑t / ☛c || 01:04, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

You went to the Hamptons? Where are they? C a rm el apple 01:05, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

It's not very fair of you to peg Bradbwilson when you yourself have rather... dodgy grammar. It's even worse when you suggest to him to correct his grammar, and then fill your own reply with run-on sentences and typos. Let's be kind, polite people, yes? PantherFoxie 22:27, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Fletcher

Does he appear after Sirius's house? ForestH2 t/c 02:28, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

--Who is Fletcher?214.15.254.34 17:36, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Mundungus Fletcher appears at Sirius' house, at the Hog's Head under a veil (though it's not known it's him at the time), and again at Grimmauld Place at Christmas time. I wouldn't remove him yet, though, because I believe the report was just referring to the first time at 12GP, though if we see Mundundgus at all I'll be surprised. --Fbv65e del / ☑t / ☛c || 18:19, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Oops

Alright, I'm a n00bish Wikipedian. This is where I go for something like this right? Anyway, I put a section with all the international release dates but while trying to reference my work, I kind of....messed it up XDD Can somebody help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crazyspoonkiller (talk • contribs)

Hi - and thanks for trying! We always welcome "n00bish Wikipedians" to contribute, especially when they have something valuable to add - which you did. Perhaps the best thing to do in the case your edit goes awry is revert it (select the history tab, select a previous version that was OK, select to edit that version of the page, add a quick edit summary, ie: "self revert botched edit", and save the page), so the article is not left in the tatters of a botched edit. To add the reference source and avoid the wrath of the "Citation Cops", just mention where you got it as a footnote source, and eventually someone will fix it. I temporarily set the Mugglenet reference up as an external link footnote source, as an example of how to do it, until it can be properly merged into the references citation package. Right now there is such a bizarre tangled tri-wizard maze of reference citations, that it is increasingly difficult, nearly impossible, to properly navigate and study the article and verify the reference links. It seems every other word had to be cited. Ah well. Oh and PS: you can "sign" your comments by ending with a string of four ~ tildas. Thanks again. --T-dot 10:41, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Haha, thanks for fixing it. I'll take all that on board. =] crazyspoonkiller 12:27, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

German Version

The german version of the article is available, please to write in sth., is impossible for myself! -- 84.179.89.80 20:38, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Say What?

"Miranda Richardson, despite speculation, stated she wouldn't be back at, and, David Heyman confirmed at, the New York City Goblet of Fire red carpet interview with The Leaky Cauldron that Rita Skeeter would not return."

This garbbled sentence seems an unfortunate consequence of several edits gone wrong. I was going to edit it to "fix it", but there is something I'm not clear on:

Did both Miranda Richardon and David Heyman speak to "The Leaky Cauldron", or was it only Mr. Heyman who did? Were they interviewed together, or were there two separate interviews?

I would also suggest removing "despite speculation". In this context, it isn't adding any information. Speculation from whom, about what, and how relevant/correct was it?

Though there is a hyperlink, it isn't clear that "The Leaky Cauldron" is a website. When I first read this sentence as a layperson, it made no sense to me. Nor did it make any sense on the second or third read. It was only when I happened to hover on the hyperlink that I understood that it didn't refer to "The Leaky Cauldron" that Harry Potter readers are familiar with, but rather to a website with the same name. Mip | Talk 18:25, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm… seems it was never paid attention to after lots of reverting of speculation (that's probably how the "despite speculation" got in there). I'll change it. --Fbv65e del / ☑t / ☛c || 19:05, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Thestrals

Does anyone know how they plan to explain Harry suddenly seeing thestrals, given that he killed Quirrell in the first film (Rowling explained his not seeing them at the end of GoF book as being due to the death having not sunk in - ie she wanted to keep that element as a surprise for the next book - but surely Quirrell's death would have 'sunk in' by the start of CoS film)? Because I can't see how they can get out of it, and suspect it will stand as an example of why they shouldn't have begun the films before the books were completely written (the Quirrell killing sits rather ill at ease with the HBP moral message of the taking of a life being the worst thing one can do). Michaelsanders 14:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

The official answer is that in The Philosopher's Stone, Harry passed out during the fight with Quirrell and didn't actually see him die. He did see Sirius die but the enormity of it all hadn't sunk in by the end of the book. Basically it's all a big mess of plot holes. And the incident with the Thestrals is confusing too. Oh yeah...This isn't a forum, go discuss this elsewhere.~~ (comment added by Simondrake)

Right then. So the film-makers thoroughly wrong answer has been delivered by a unnecessarily surly editor, in a rather incoherent style. Could anyone give a clearer answer? Michaelsanders 20:05, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, there are lots of people who can give clearer answers. One of them is JK Rowling herself. Go to www.JKrowling.com and skim the FAQs. Or maybe, just maybe, you should go to a forum to discuss this? Don't discuss it here.Simondrake 22:02, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

The FAQ page only has info relevant to the books, not the films. So I ask again: does anyone have any idea how they're going to dodge that hurdle, if at all? As for you Mr Drake, I suggest that you familiarise yourself with wikipedia rules a bit more before attempting to give lectures. It's rather difficult to take you seriously as a voice of responsibility when you use expletives in your edit summaries. Michaelsanders 23:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll just pop in to say: it will either be ignored, the rules for seeing Thestrals will be changed, or it will be argued Harry never actually saw Quirrell die. They'll get around it. --Fbv65e del / ☑t / ☛c || 06:11, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I think they'll just tell you that Harry actually never saw Quirrel die. Don't bother yourself too much, Michael. So what if there are some inconsistencies with the films? Compared with Star Wars, this is pretty coherent. Moonwalkerwiz 05:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)