Talk:Grateful (DJ Khaled album)
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Unsourced content[edit]
An editor has twice added that "Kodak Black / Dieuson Octave" was a writer of tracks 13 and 17. This editor included this source (which is a duplicate of the track listing already linked to at the top of the section), which states only "Ft. Kodak Black" on tracks 13 and 17. Being featured on a musical performance, and writing the musical performance, are not the same. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 09:58, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- @Magnolia677: Actually they are, and you have no knowledge of how music works if you think this is how rappers work, you're basically saying that Kodak never wrote any of his lyrics if this was the case, which is really a dumbass claim. I suggest you research more about the music business. Also, if you are applying this to Kodak, then why aren't all of the rappers that are featured on the track listing with their writing credit weren't removed, and that you only care about Kodak's credit? Bloomdoom2 (talk) 16:20, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- If there isn't any source that proves that Kodak Black was a composer in the song, then it shouldn't be there. Bwoii (talk) 18:51, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- @Bwoii: I saw that you like Kendrick Lamar, if you saw that he had an upcoming album, but someone removed them saying that they were unsourced that Kendrick composed them, wouldn't you think that they're saying that Kendrick didn't write his raps? Bloomdoom2 (talk) 18:57, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- @Bloomdoom2: Yes, that would be the first thing that would come to my mind, but the thing is that in this case Kodak Black is a featured artist, you never know if they had his verse written already to fit the song or a certain concept. Bwoii 19:01, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- @Bwoii: Ok, so Kendrick is a featured artist in Goosebumps by Travis Scott. Would that apply there too, since you said the case was a featured artist. Also, I haven't seen a rapper that hasn't written their own raps (not counting songwriting assistance, which isn't even common in rap anyway), mostly in pop artists like Justin Bieber; in addition, if you take a look at the composer credits already on the article for Grateful, every single artist and producer has a writing credit already on there except for Kodak, which Magnolia677 solely removed. How come Kodak is the only one they removed, but all the other artists and producers listed on there they didn't remove? Bloomdoom2 (talk) 19:09, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- @Bloomdoom2: There is a source that supports that Kendrick has writing credits on Goosebumps, however since Grateful isnt out yet there isnt a source that supports any writing credits except the singles already released. Also it seems a little weird that Magnolia677 only removed Kodak Black writing credits so im going to remove the other unsourced content that hasn't been removed.Bwoii 19:19, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- That isn't necessary, and I think you aren't getting it, every single artist will get credited, its logic, think about it, do you really think that they won't credit the artist? They obviously send the artist to write their thing on it, not have it set up already, this is done with every song, even before Goosebumps was released, did you really think that lyrics were already given to Kendrick for him to rap? That's almost never done in rap music. Take a look at the Major Key article, you see Kodak there and every other artist, with the rappers having no songwriters credited with them. Bloomdoom2 (talk) 19:24, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- Its basic logic in music especially in hip hop articles, indeed its rare for a rapper to not write his own verse, however if there isnt a source some editors would make a big deal of it. Bwoii 19:33, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- @Bwoii: Yeah well you already know Magnolia677 already made a big deal about it, since they no knowledge of how music credits work. I suggest just to leave the Grateful article as it is so Magnolia677 can stop bitching about it, since you and I already know that Kodak wrote his verses, plus Magnolia677 always looks on the wrong side of things when it comes to music. Bloomdoom2 (talk) 19:36, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- @Bwoii: Ok, when the album comes out there will be no excuse to remove exclusively Kodak Black. Bwoii 19:46, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- @Bwoii: Yeah well you already know Magnolia677 already made a big deal about it, since they no knowledge of how music credits work. I suggest just to leave the Grateful article as it is so Magnolia677 can stop bitching about it, since you and I already know that Kodak wrote his verses, plus Magnolia677 always looks on the wrong side of things when it comes to music. Bloomdoom2 (talk) 19:36, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- Its basic logic in music especially in hip hop articles, indeed its rare for a rapper to not write his own verse, however if there isnt a source some editors would make a big deal of it. Bwoii 19:33, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- That isn't necessary, and I think you aren't getting it, every single artist will get credited, its logic, think about it, do you really think that they won't credit the artist? They obviously send the artist to write their thing on it, not have it set up already, this is done with every song, even before Goosebumps was released, did you really think that lyrics were already given to Kendrick for him to rap? That's almost never done in rap music. Take a look at the Major Key article, you see Kodak there and every other artist, with the rappers having no songwriters credited with them. Bloomdoom2 (talk) 19:24, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- @Bloomdoom2: There is a source that supports that Kendrick has writing credits on Goosebumps, however since Grateful isnt out yet there isnt a source that supports any writing credits except the singles already released. Also it seems a little weird that Magnolia677 only removed Kodak Black writing credits so im going to remove the other unsourced content that hasn't been removed.Bwoii 19:19, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- @Bwoii: Ok, so Kendrick is a featured artist in Goosebumps by Travis Scott. Would that apply there too, since you said the case was a featured artist. Also, I haven't seen a rapper that hasn't written their own raps (not counting songwriting assistance, which isn't even common in rap anyway), mostly in pop artists like Justin Bieber; in addition, if you take a look at the composer credits already on the article for Grateful, every single artist and producer has a writing credit already on there except for Kodak, which Magnolia677 solely removed. How come Kodak is the only one they removed, but all the other artists and producers listed on there they didn't remove? Bloomdoom2 (talk) 19:09, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- @Bloomdoom2: Yes, that would be the first thing that would come to my mind, but the thing is that in this case Kodak Black is a featured artist, you never know if they had his verse written already to fit the song or a certain concept. Bwoii 19:01, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- @Bwoii: I saw that you like Kendrick Lamar, if you saw that he had an upcoming album, but someone removed them saying that they were unsourced that Kendrick composed them, wouldn't you think that they're saying that Kendrick didn't write his raps? Bloomdoom2 (talk) 18:57, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- If there isn't any source that proves that Kodak Black was a composer in the song, then it shouldn't be there. Bwoii (talk) 18:51, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
Producers credits supported by instagram posts[edit]
Is it really ok to add producers using an instagram post as a reliable source? I don't really see reliability unless its a post from a verified account Bwoii 19:38, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Non-notable review score[edit]
An editor has added a review score from a non-notable website called Provocative Confidence. They have twice reverted the removal of this review score. The input of other editors would be appreciated. Magnolia677 (talk) 00:01, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- About the Third Opinion request: The request has been removed (i.e. denied) because like all other moderated content dispute resolution venues at Wikipedia, 3O requires thorough talk page discussion before seeking assistance. If other editor will not discuss, consider the recommendations which are made here or, in this particular case, request page protection. — TransporterMan (TALK) 02:57, 11 July 2017 (UTC) (Not watching this page)
To the Max was a promotional single?[edit]
Exactly when was it randomly declared a promotional song? Foxnpichu (talk) 13:46, 3 September 2017 (UTC)