Talk:Gorsedh Kernow

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Format suggestion[edit]

Can someone edit the Gorseth page so that it has the same format as the Welsh Gorsedd page? i.e

  • 1 Purpose
  • 2 History
  • 3 Ranks
  • 4 Admission
  • 5 Ceremony
  • 6 Symbology

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Talskiddy (talk • contribs) 13:26, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I understood that there is only one rank: Bard. Not as colourful as the Welsh! Vernon White . . . Talk 20:56, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gorseth or Gorsedh?[edit]

To write "the Gorseth Kernow" is really clunky. It should be either "Gorseth Kernow" with no article, or else "the Gorseth of Cornwall". If as reported they have now adopted the SWF, then "Gorseth" should be changed to "Gorsedh". Note, the Welsh spelling "Gorsedd" is also sometimes seen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.152.211.56 (talk) 18:39, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article currently states that in June 2009, members voted overwhelmingly to adopt the new Standard Written Form as their standard. the ref given is http://www.magakernow.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=38814 Gorsedh adopts SWF - Cornish Language Partnership. Surely if a vote has been taken by the organisation then the title should now read Gorsedh Kernow? --Talskiddy (talk) 08:04, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's not for us to decide how the Gorseth's name should be spelled. As long as their website still uses "Gorseth", then that's what this article should use. --Kernoweger (talk) 23:01, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I see the website uses both spellings. Have a look (here) at the latest report from the GK Council. Obviously it will take time to update the whole GK website to show the new spelling that they will be using from now on. --Talskiddy (talk) 07:38, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 07:42, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Gorseth Kernow → Gorsedh Kernow — The website has now had the name change indicating the move to the standard written form [1]. Joowwww (talk) 23:15, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support though the website appears pretty halfhearted about the change! The website title has changed, but that's about it. They appear to have kept the old spelling elsewhere. Skinsmoke (talk) 14:18, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The rest of the article's spelling of Gorsedh should be amended, and mention of the spelling change should be made too: see here. Daicaregos (talk) 14:51, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Oppose. The pronunciation is and has always been [ˈɡɔɹsɛθ], not [ˈɡɔɹsɛð]. Cornish is not Welsh. -- Evertype·✆ 00:26, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The organisation has agreed that its name is 'Gorsedh'. It no longer actively uses 'Gorseth', although that spelling will still be found in old documents. The Gorsedh has therefore republished the booklet which governs the proceedings of the Gorsedh ceremony to use the spelling 'Gorsedh' throughout, including in the title of the booklet - 'Solempnytys Gorsedh Berdh Kernow'. The booklet is used by bards and the public alike, and the new edition with the spelling 'Gorsedh' was first used at the 2009 Gorsedh in Saltash on 5th September 2009. The website is being updated to reflect the change. The pronunciation for most Cornish speakers is [ˈɡɔɹsɛð], not [ˈɡɔɹsɛθ]. Treylyer (talk) 21:59, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Revivalists are by no means unanimously accepting of final unstressed *-eð. Your statement about "most Cornish speakers" is most likely unsupported by evidence. The SWF is inconsistent with regard to its treatment of final -eth and -edh. I am sure it is only a matter of time before this *gorsedh lark is given up. -- Evertype·✆ 22:23, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Whereas your statement "The pronunciation is and has always been..." is most certainly unsupported by evidence. The point, however, is that the Gorsedh has agreed that its name is 'Gorsedh' not 'Gorseth', and is using 'Gorsedh' in its publications and written records. The Gorsedh is supporting the SWF (Standard Written Form of Cornish) and its Council will doubtless not be in the least surprised to discover that you consider the spelling 'Gorsedh', and its use of it, to be a "lark". Treylyer (talk) 08:15, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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