Talk:George E. Lewis

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 18 August 2020 and 12 December 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Willardthecat. Peer reviewers: Willardthecat, Meowzi.

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Discography: level of detail[edit]

I've tried to include every album I know of on which Lewis plays throughout, or at least on a very substantial portion. I think it's better we leave out releases where Lewis only appears on a track or two; there's plenty of room on discogs.com for that stuff. SethTisue (talk) 20:46, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article name[edit]

Should this article be moved to George E. Lewis (currently a redirect)? The Penguin Guide to Jazz credits him as such. However, I must admit unfamiliarity with the subject. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:35, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think so. That is how he appears in current scholarly circles, and he does work in fields outside of trombone. Morganfitzp (talk) 02:30, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Lewis' work as an author and composer reaches a wider audience than his trombone performance. Identifying him primarily as a trombonist seems unnecessarily narrow. Willardthecat (talk) 04:53, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Gyrofrog, Morganfitzp, Willardthecat –– I was thinking the same thing & now see the conversation already happened a year ago, so will go ahead & make the move! Agreed that there's plenty of justification for moving it as per WP:MOVE, e.g., "The title does not follow Wikipedia's naming conventions, such as that it is not the common name of the subject or it is overprecise." Thanks for establishing consensus here. :) Knifegames (talk) 10:03, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

missing sideman listing[edit]

George Lewis was also involved with the ensemble "Duck and Cover" and recorded at the 'Festival des Politischen Liedes', 2/16/1986 in Berlin. The performance was released twice by the sound magazine 'ReR Quarterly' in 'vol.1 no.2' and in 'Selections from Vol.1.'. 131.74.110.168 (talk) 16:33, 27 May 2010 (UTC)S. Castle[reply]

Bibliography[edit]

I added sources and alphabetized the entries; I updated the entry for Broecking's interview. Deleted entry for Zorn's Arcana because that is for a chapter by Lewis rather than about him. Here is my proposed revised Bibliography. Certainly there are more sources to add. Should I go ahead and edit the Bibliography in the article? Thanks!

Banfield, William C. Review of George Lewis's 2011 CD, Les Exercises Spirituels (Tzakik Records, TZA 8081CD). In William Banfield, Ethnomusicologizing: Essays on music in the new paradigms. Lanham, MD: Rowman & Littlefield, 2015. 283-285.

Broecking, Christian. Interview with George Lewis. In Respect! Die Geschichte Der Fire-music. Berlin: Verbrecher Verlag, 2011, 341-352. ISBN 978-3-940426-67-3

Bruno, Franklin J. Review of A Power Stronger Than Itself: The AACM and American Experimental Music by George E. Lewis. The Nation, February 2, 2009, 34, 36.

Foote, Lona (March 1988). "Meet the Composer: George Lewis". EAR: New Music News. 13 (2): 30–31. A Power Stronger Than Itself: The AACM and American Experimental Music (University of Chicago Press, 2008) "Four Decades of Music That Redefined Free", New York Times May 2, 2008 Four Decades of Music That Redefined Free

Massarenti, Armando. "Vive bene chi sa improvvisare" (George Lewis and philosopher Arnold I. Davidson). Il Sole 24 Ore (Italy), 5 Luglio 2009.

Monaghan, Peter. "Thoroughly Modern Music" (review of A Power Stronger Than Itself: The AACM and American Experimental Music by George E. Lewis). Chronicle of Higher Education, November 14, 2008, 113–117.

Morgensen, René. "Evaluating an improvising computer-implementation as a partial creativity in a music performance system." Journal of Creative Music Systems, 2(1), 2017. doi: https://doi.org/10.5920/JCMS.2017.10

Zenni, Stefano. Per il pensiero innovativo (interview with George Lewis). Il Giornale della Musica, January 2009

Willardthecat (talk) 00:47, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Willardthecat! I'm removing the bibliography from the article. There's a lot of debate about the value of including bibliography / "further reading" sections at all––it's preferable to give inline citations––and in this case the sources do not seem relevant or helpful enough to justify the list. (English-language sources are also preferred in the English-language Wikipedia, and since there are dozens of interviews with Lewis, I don't think these are necessary.)
However, if you find useful material in these sources, you should absolutely use them to provide references or add material! For example, the article had this sentence with no citation: "In 2008, Lewis published a book-length history of the AACM titled A Power Stronger Than Itself: The AACM and American Experimental Music (University of Chicago Press)." I added the Chinen / NYT review (partially listed above, mixed in with the Lona Foote listing) as a reference immediately following that sentence, so anyone reading the article can verify that the statement is true.
Let me know if you have any questions––and it's great that these sources are still listed here on the talk page, so anyone working on the article can check them for relevant info. // Knifegames (talk) 13:19, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Since there have not been objections, I recommend adding this material to the article. Information Literacy: learning throughout your life. 18:13, 21 October 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daifukuthecat (talk • contribs)

Organization[edit]

I added a chunk on Lewis's pre-Solo Trombone years, & for now have decided to split sections into "Early life" (birth through high school, 1952-1969) and "Education and joining the AACM" (1969-1974), which includes his time at Yale and the year off in the middle when he joined the Association for the Advancement of Creative Musicians.

This seemed to make the most sense, but I'm open to feedback––and I especially welcome any thoughts on subsections within "Career", or examples of well-organized articles on comparable artist-scholars! Knifegames (talk) 21:01, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Discography by release year[edit]

I know this can be a point of contention for Jazz Heads, but I'm reorganizing the discography by year of release –– but the goal is to eventually have everything in wikitables that can be sorted by year of release or recording. So far I've only done that formatting for the "As sole leader" subsection:

Current "As sole leader" discography)
Released Album Title Label Personnel Rec.
1976 Solo Trombone Record Sackville Lewis (trombone)[1] 1976
1978 Monads-Triple Slow Mix-Cycle-Shadowgraph, 5 (Sextet) Black Saint Lewis (alto and tenor trombones, sousaphone, Moog synthesizer, sound-tube), Anthony Davis, Douglas Ewart, Leroy Jenkins, Roscoe Mitchell, Adbul Wadud, Muhal Richard Abrams[2][3] 1977
1979 Homage to Charles Parker Black Saint Lewis (trombone, electronics), Ewart, Davis, Richard Teitelbaum[3] 1979
1981 Chicago Slow Dance Lovely Lewis (electronics, trombones), Ewart, J.D. Parran, Teitelbaum[4] 1977
1993 Voyager Avant Lewis (trombone, computer, compositions), Roscoe Mitchell[5] 1993
1993 Changing With the Times New World Lewis (trombone), Daniel Koppelman, Ruth Neville, Jerome Rothenberg, Ewart, Jeannie Cheatham, Bernard Mixon, Peter Gonzales III, Mary Oliver, Quincy Troupe[6] 1993
2000 Endless Shout Tzadik Lewis (computer, conductor, trombone), Sarah Cahill, Steven Schick, Quincy Troupe, and the NOW Orchestra[7][8] 1995-1997
2001 The Shadowgraph Series: Compositions for Creative Orchestra Spool Lewis (trombone, conductor, compositions) / The NOW Orchestra[9] 1999
2006 Sequel (For Lester Bowie) Intakt Lewis (trombone, laptop, Buchla Lightning, compositions), Siegfried Rössert, Guillermo E. Brown, Jeff Parker, Kaffe Matthews, Miya Masaoka, DJ Mutamassik[10] 2004
2011 George Lewis: Les Exercices Spirituels Tzadik Lewis (compositions, live electronic processing, live electronics and spatialization performance) with large ensembles (Ensemble Erik Satie, Wet Ink, Vancouver Olympiad)[11][12] 2008-2010
2020 Rainbow Family (1984) Carrier Lewis (computer programming, hardware hacking), Ewart, Joëlle Léandre, Derek Bailey, Steve Lacy[13] 1984
2021 The Recombinant Trilogy New Focus Works for solo instrument and electronics: Claire Chase & Levy Lorenzo, Seth Parker Woods, Dana Jessen & Eli Stine, software by Damon Holzborn[14] 2016-2020
References
  1. ^ Margasak, Peter (30 October 2015). "The daring debut album of AACM historian George Lewis gets reissued". Chicago Reader. Retrieved 26 August 2021.
  2. ^ Swed, Mark (19 August 2020). "Why George Lewis' revolutionary 'Shadowgraph, 5' can last 3 minutes or 4 hours". The Los Angeles Times. Retrieved 26 August 2021.
  3. ^ a b Scaruffi, Piero. "George Lewis". Scaruffi.com. Retrieved 26 August 2021.
  4. ^ Rockwell, John (1 March 1981). "The African Influence on Pop and Jazz Musicians". The New York Times. Retrieved 23 March 2023.
  5. ^ Steinbeck, Paul. "Listening to Voyager" (PDF). PaulSteinbeck.com. Retrieved 23 March 2023.
  6. ^ "George Lewis: Changing With the Times". DRAM. Retrieved 23 March 2023.
  7. ^ "George Lewis: Endless Shout". AllMusic.com. Retrieved 23 March 2023.
  8. ^ "George Lewis : Endless Shout". Tzadik. Retrieved 23 March 2023.
  9. ^ "The Shadowgraph Series: Compositions for Creative Orchestra". NOW Society. Retrieved 23 March 2023.
  10. ^ "Sequel (For Lester Bowie)". All About Jazz. Retrieved 23 March 2023.
  11. ^ Banfield, William C. (November 2012). "George Lewis, Les Exercices Spirituels. Tzadik Records TZA 8081CD, 2011". Journal of the Society for American Music. 6 (4): 493–494. Retrieved 23 March 2023.
  12. ^ "George Lewis : Les Exercices Spirituels". Tzadik. Retrieved 23 March 2023.
  13. ^ Broomer, Stuart (5 February 2021). "Atelier George Lewis: Rainbow Family 1984 - George Lewis; Joëlle Léandre; Derek Bailey; Steve Lacy". The WholeNote. Retrieved 7 February 2023.
  14. ^ DeGroot, Jillian (22 February 2021). "George Lewis' The Recombinant Trilogy Reimagines the Boundaries of Experimental Music". I Care If You Listen. Retrieved 23 March 2023.

There are a few reasons for this, but it's mostly about consistency & accuracy, as the release year is much easier to find and confirm; I'm hopeful that including both is a good happy medium, & I'll double-check more of that info as I add refs.

Open to feedback on included material, names for table columns, etc. (e.g. I'm hoping "Rec." is clear as "recorded," as the abbreviation keeps the column narrow & helps overall readability). I've also reformatted the "articles and chapters" section as a reflist (mostly for readability); no idea how to tackle the "compositions" section given massive overlap w/ discog, so leaving that for now, but hope to eventually move those to a stand-alone George E. Lewis discography (or "complete works") page. // Knifegames (talk) 08:40, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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