Talk:Gabriel Fauré/GA1

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Pyrotec (talk) 18:57, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I will review. Pyrotec (talk) 18:57, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Initial comments[edit]

By now, I've had a quick read through of this article and my initial impression is that the article is at least GA standard (but this is not my final decision).

I would suggest that this article could do with an Infobox, such as {{Composer navbox}}, but this is not a mandatory requirement, i.e. its not required by WP:WIAGA.
I will now start a detailed section by section review, but leaving the WP:Lead until last. I will mostly be concentrating on "problems", so the less I comment on a particular section/subsection, the better it is. This may take a couple or so more days to complete. Pyrotec (talk) 21:02, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Biography -

I would suggest that this article could do with an Infobox, such as {{Composer navbox}} but others could be used, but this is not a mandatory requirement, i.e. its not required by WP:WIAGA.
- The consensus among the WP composers project is to avoid infoboxes (see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Classical_music/Style_guidelines#Biographical_infoboxes) and I have, somewhat belatedly, added the usual hidden comment at the top asking people not to add one. Tim riley (talk) 20:49, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Since its not a requirement for GA, I can't insist. Pyrotec (talk) 20:59, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- Early years -

Its not made clear when Gabriel Fauré was born. Where he was born is given, the names and years of birth and death of his parents are given, he lived with a wet nurse until he was four and then 1849 is mentioned. (Remember the function of the WP:Lead is to both introduce the subject and to provide a summary of the main points. It should not "tease" by including information that does not appear elsewhere in the article).
- DoB added to this section, as suggested. Tim riley (talk) 20:49, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- First musical appointments & Middle years -

These look OK.

...to be continued. Pyrotec (talk) 22:34, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am greatly looking forward to it. All the best! Tim riley (talk) 20:49, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I did another short GAN, I like to intersperse reviews, but I'm back on yours now. Pyrotec (talk) 20:59, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- Head of the Conservatoire & Last years and legacy -

These look OK.

Music -

Just a comment about the Copland paragraph, I've not previously come across Manners used in this context. I also looked it up in Oxford Concise. It makes sense, but it's new to me.

WP:Lead -

I'm happy with it as it is.

Overall summary[edit]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

A very interesting article. It was a pleasure to review it.

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality:

B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources:
Well referenced.

B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
Well referenced.

C. No original research:
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:

B. Focused:
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
Well illustrated.

B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
Well illustrated.
Overall:
Pass or Fail:

I have no hesitation in awarding this article GA-status. I strongly suspect that it is a WP:FAC.

I would like to see an Infoxbox (yes we covered this all ready) and I suspect that it would come up again at WP:FAC. Other than that I can ofer little in the way of advice: I would like to known more about "Fauré was born in Pamiers, Ariège, Midi-Pyrénées, on 12 May 1845, the fifth son and sixth child of Toussaint-Honoré Fauré (1810–85) and Marie-Antoinette-Hélène Lalène-Laprade (1809–87). He was sent to live with a wet nurse until he was four years old. In 1849 Toussaint-Honoré was appointed director of the École Normale at Montgauzy, near Foix, and Fauré returned to live with his family.", e.g. was the wet nurse in Pamiers (or somewhere else) and presummably he joined the faimly at Foix? It may get picked up at FAC, but I have little direct experience (on joint nomination, passed at second attempt).

Congratulations on producing a fine article. Pyrotec (talk) 22:40, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for your scrutiny and also for your encouraging comments. Greatly appreciated. - Tim riley (talk) 01:00, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]