Talk:Freeter/Archive 1

Archive 1

English

Could someone please rewrite this in English? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.69.5.197 (talk • contribs) 20:28, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

What do you mean? The entire entry is in English? --Mdziesinski (talk) 14:05, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

hmm

i'd say a good expansion would be adding some cultural references to the phenomenon - i know for one there are quite a few references to freeters in the anime golden boy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nudas veritas (talk • contribs) 20:29, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Actually, that's an excellent idea. A 'Cultural references' section at the end of the entry could also provide a way for people to see how Japanese culture perceives this phenomenon. --Mdziesinski 18:44, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

The Problem is in China too

Not only in Japan this problem exists. China is feeling this new generation is a bit on the lazy side. Because of the "one child" policy that China has so strictly enforced, the population has decreased, thus the program was a success, but at what expense? The new generation of Chinese children, those born in the one child era, have started their adult life, but a surprising number have not followed in the footsteps of their parents. They have begun to stick to their parents, and have not worked as hard as their parents did. Their choice and freedom have worked against them. Thank you for your article. It has broadened my view on the human race, I hope there will be a few more references on Wikipedia soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.108.200.247 (talk • contribs) 02:59, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

The problem is, in my opinion, in any developed country where there are high levels of per capita income. Now individuals of that age are less inclined to take jobs and more of "pursuing their dreams" (how without money, I don't know). Obviously that's my own personal experience and knowledge of high numbers of young people in the UK - so I can't cite anything AStaralfur 00:09, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

How did you determine that this is a problem and not a revolution? Shouldn't it be viewed as neither in an encyclopedia? OhSqueezy 22:37, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Unsourced tag

I have added the "unsourced" tag to this article, as it appears to be mostly armchair sociology. I'm not even sure if this article belongs on Wikipedia, it appears to be an attempt to create a cultural group where none may in fact exist, likely for political purposes. Shoehorn 05:47, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

True, it does need sourcing. However, it is an extremely common term in Japanese, not a passing fad term. For this alone, it strongly deserves to remain in Wikipedia. If you were to remove all terminology with widespread use that originated from political purposes, you'd have to cull hundreds and hundreds of informative and useful pages from Wikipedia. 210.160.15.16 22:01, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I have referenced the article to the Japanese wikipedia article which does contain the appropriate external references. I removed these tags: {Unreferenced|date=June 2007}{Original research|date=September 2007}

I will now add some english references as well.

Pearrari 01:06, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Idealistic views and lack of hope

It can expand into total hatred of the world. Not something always specific to any age either. There are _everywhere_. It does seems to be borne out of idealistic views and lack of hope. I can see it in everyone; my father, my brother, travellers.

I agree that it is political too - look at non-voters. These people are smart and dormant, working and wasting in useless jobs, waiting for god-o. Viewed as a lack of fulfillment is everyone a freeter to some degree?

I think I may well start up a site on this...

As for problems with the article - it is poor sociology but the page is needed. It could be marked for bias. Of course though, prepare for a freeter infection; isn't all science armchair quality?

Jago25 98 10:30, 25 April 2006 (UTC)jago25_98

odd freeter

Should freeter allud to fritter? -lysdexia 05:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.233.215.204 (talk • contribs)

"Difficulties starting their own household" Section

So, I think this section (and really the entire article in general) neglects to point out that here in Japan, it is quite common and often expected that people in the 20's will continue to live at home until they marry, freeter or not. It is the same way in many other parts of Asia. The section makes it sound like continuing to live at home is some sort of undesireable last resort experienced only by freeters, which is just not true.

Also the point about purchasing "cheap land in the desert or wilderness" is utterly unsubstantiated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.137.249.61 (talk • contribs) 01:44, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

The three highs

No idea where this "fact" is meant to be derived from so have scrathed it. ShizuokaSensei 10:47, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

An English Ref

In the English translation of Hitomi Kanehara's book Snakes and Earrings, the main character, Lui, refers to herself as a freeter. I don't know if that helps at all, but that's one place I've seen it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.97.136 (talk • contribs) 20:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Problem with "Health and pension insurance" section

It says "One problem most freeters overlook is that the many part time jobs usually do not include any health or retirement benefits. While a young person is usually in better health, youth eventually gives way to middle and old age, and health declines accordingly. Additionally, accidents may happen anytime in life. Subsequently, there may be a sudden health expense, which due to the lack of insurance has to be paid by the freeters or their parents. This will be difficult with a low income and small or nonexistent savings."

Problem is, Japan has Universal health care, as seen on Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Japan

While Employers can offer third party insurance to supplement the universal health care insurance system, the idea that "there may be a sudden health expense, which due to the lack of insurance has to be paid by the freeters or their parents" is false! and the section should be redone to reflect this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elminster31 (talk • contribs) 02:45, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

How much do you know about the Japanese health care system? Compared to the US, it is great. It is not however what most people think of as "Universal." It does not cover 100% of expenses. The insurance provided my many of the better employers does. It is highly subsidized, but it is not "free" in most cases. If you look at the health care plan that Obama is working on trying to push through now, you will have a good idea of what Japan already has. Even if my tone is not totally agreeing with your post, I DO think that their system is light years ahead in many ways compared to the US. They just need more doctors. I am simply stating that not having a job DOES present strain when it comes to medical costs.

Also, the Japanese pension system does not work in favor of the unemployed. Your best hope of a good retirement is still to get a job with a good firm.

I don’t have direct citations, as this would basically count as "original research" by Wikipedia standards (I live in the country in question, and have dealt with the medical system). Emry (talk) 23:32, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Environmental Impact

I don't have citations for this at the moment, so I am not making an actual edit just yet. I would like to point out a few things: In the areas of Japan where Freeters are common, most people go to and from work on public transit. This phenomenon is less common in more rural areas. Another thing I have noticed in day to day life is that idle people seem to produce a lot more refuse. Again, no citations yet, but if anyone else has input? I just have my doubts that they would have a positive impact on the environment. Emry (talk) 23:25, 27 June 2009 (UTC)