Talk:François Lake

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Isn't Francois Lake, British Columbia also a town? -- œ ^™ 01:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes - see "François Lake (community". BC Geographical Names. and "François Lake Indian Reserve No. 7". BC Geographical Names.. The community article should be François Lake, British Columbia and the IR should be François Lake 7, though I'm not fond of the latter format and believe IR articles should be titled properly "as most commonly used" François Lake Indian Reserve 7 or François Lake Indian Reserve No. 7. Feel free to make the stubs; BCGNIS is a standard ref and there are reasons for the community article to exist separate from the IR one and vice versa.Skookum1 (talk) 01:29, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree with you about the naming thing.. François Lake 7 is much too ambiguous. -- œ ^™ 12:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The wiki-premise, which I find inherently flawed, is based in undue weight being given to StatsCan's choice of terminology, which is in fact based in the French usage, intentionally so. StatsCan's usages were deemed authoritative, without warrant, concerning this and also using the RDs as standard geographic subdivisions of BC - a major extension of their demographic usage by StatsCan and giving them more importance than they actually have. In this case, it's a bulk name-change proposal and shouldn't be controversial but probably will be, as the StatsCan diehards are pretty dug in. The reality is that numerous Indian Reserves - Sea Bird Island, Moricetown, Peckquaylis, and lots of others - don't actually have numbers. The same logic is applied to regional district electoral areas e.g. Fraser Valley F, which like Langley 1a are vague and misleading (and nobody uses EAs as geographic subdivisions except RD governments....and StatsCan). Langley 1a - Langley Indian Reserve No. 1A, in its usual format, is not even in Langley (it's in Mission, just inside the Maple Ridge boundary in Ruskin). At the moment User:Bearcat and I have been having it out as to whehter "Indian Reserve" should be fully capitalized or some notion of "standard English" imposed on it as "Indian reserve" (I take the both-caps position, as it's the only citable one from all official sources...other than STatsCan....); I wanted to get that resolved before correcting the name of the Category:First Nations reserves in British Columbia and its sister categories to Category:Indian Reserves in British Columbia (or at least Category:Indian reserves in British Columbia, but to me, "Indian reserve" looks downright odd and only half-made; Bearcat essentially tells me I'm a provincial and it doesn't matter what local usages are, "standard English" is apparently some kind of orthodoxy like academia French....the discussions is on the "requested moves/mergers/split" part of the Notice Board on WP:CANTALK and as you can see it's become quite protracted.....I think I may just go ahead and launch the CfD on the one hand, and the name-format change from Slosh 1a to Slosh Indian Reserves No. 1A on my own, and let the chips fall where they may. All I know is that this name format is not comprehensible to people not used to "StatsCan shorthand", which would be most of the world, and that "First Nations reserve" is a POV neologism....Skookum1 (talk) 14:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]